Trek Wars?!
The Borg assimilated the Sith?
All two of them!?
I was referring to the actual species, not the wannabes who call themselves Sith.
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing.
yes because one quote gives everything away
When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?
same time that folks realize that self posioning is stupid too
DC heroes suck.
All of them.
Um...no.
DC heroes suck.
All of them.
Just wanted to reiterate this.
When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?
same time that folks realize that self posioning is stupid too
When people realize that the idea of space souls is stupid.
I'd still rather watch Gina Carano in a Wonder Woman movie.
Mostly cuz she's hawt. Mostly also cuz Superman is hella lame.android.eonline.com/article?id=441133
Yeah, I'm sure Bale won't reconsider when he sees the 8 figure offer with backend money. Terrible or not this thing's gonna make bank.
Trek Wars?!
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing.
yes because one quote gives everything away
Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up.
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing.
yes because one quote gives everything away
Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up.
and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing.
yes because one quote gives everything away
Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up.
and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....
I never said it was going to be just like DKR, if you actually took the time to read what I said, it was: "So its more of a Dark Knight Returns (where they fight) than a World's Finest (where they mostly teamed up). I never said oh boy theyre doing a Dark Knight Returns movie. Im starting to see why nobody likes you.
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing.
yes because one quote gives everything away
Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up.
and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....
I never said it was going to be just like DKR, if you actually took the time to read what I said, it was: "So its more of a Dark Knight Returns (where they fight) than a World's Finest (where they mostly teamed up). I never said oh boy theyre doing a Dark Knight Returns movie. Im starting to see why nobody likes you.
so i missundderstood your meaning with that phrase then...
So its going to be more of a Dark Knight Returns than World's Finest, thats disappointing.
yes because one quote gives everything away
Dont you roll your eyes at me buddy! If you actually read the article you would notice that they talk about them fighting each other, not teaming up.
and that automatically means DKR? There's been millions of reasons why they fight each other : Mind control, misunderstanding etc..so yes my eye roll was warranted. DKR maybe the most famous but it isn't the only one....
I never said it was going to be just like DKR, if you actually took the time to read what I said, it was: "So its more of a Dark Knight Returns (where they fight) than a World's Finest (where they mostly teamed up). I never said oh boy theyre doing a Dark Knight Returns movie. Im starting to see why nobody likes you.
so i missundderstood your meaning with that phrase then...
Does that mean you take back the rolling of the eyes? Seriously dude, dont ever, EVER, roll your eyes at me when it comes to comic books, or movies based thereof. Anything else is fine, but not comics damnit!!
When are people going to realize that DC heroes suck?
Um...no.
DC heroes suck.
All of them.
Lolno. Very, very lolno. Especially when you compare them to the competition. Who are you going to say is better? Marvel? lolspiderman'sdealwiththedevil, lolxmen, lolcivilwar, lolcrossoversandjoequesadadestroyingdecadesofcharcterization, lolrulk, lolsentry? I really could go on, but to do so would be pointless. Marvel Zombies are very rarely capable of listening to reason. Or were you going to say something like Image?
How can you make the superman francise worse then it already is?
By making it Marvel or Image? By giving it to Liefeld or Frank Miller? By Acknowledging there ever was a thing called "New 52?" I really could go on.
Or, in other words, no. Don't you go knocking Superman
Plus, hating X-Men is racist.
Meh. Superman's "I only have one weakness!!1!1" schtick gets old fast.
Uh, have you ever read a Superman comic? Superman, while most certainly a high-tier hero, has plenty of weaknesses. Beyond Kryptonite in all of its flavors, there's magic, there's mental manipulation, there's the fact that he's a good person, and there's the fact that he fights bricks of an equal level all the time. Just because some mook can't kill him with a gun does not make his comics void of physical conflict. Further, he's even gotten the crap beaten by relatively weak villains because their powers were suited to beating him. Remember the Elite? Remember how they only lost because they went for the flashy coup-de-grace rather than simply letting Manchester Black kill his brain, and Manchester Black is nowhere near Superman's level.
So strong? Yes. Only one weakness? Hardly. Furthermore, where's this complaint about the older Green Lantern comics, where a banana suit and a number 2 pencil were enough to kill a star-killing weapon of doom? Or any of the other cosmics in Marvel. Double standard, brah.
Plus, hating X-Men is racist.
Seriously, the comics are terrible. The characters are terrible, from Jean Grey's idiotic history to Cyclops' unlikability to Emma Frost and how the psychopath is accepted and put in an authority position after all the crap she's pulled to the bizarre decision to make Professor X a psychopathic prick after Danger, just because GRIMDARK!!!1one!, the plots are either stale or just terrible(Chuck Austin's Holy War? AvX?), and the few sympathetic or generally interesting characters are either stupidly overpowered and have no business losing(Magneto) or completely nonsensical(X-231), and the few solid characters(Dust, Elixer, Shadowcat, Beast, to name a few) are completely overshadowed by the sheer level or garbage. So, much like Spider-man, the potential is there, but squandered by bizarre decisions and hack writers.
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Don't get me wrong, X-23 is an interesting character, but her very premise is completely nonsensical. She came from the X-Men Evolution-verse, where mutants were generally street or building-level in destructive capability, and Wolverine is a powerful mutant. In the main continuity, though, there are people who can casually tank nukes and fight limited-scale reality warpers while their blood is being turned to lead(Magneto is awesome), gods who can destroy planets through raw strength, people who can annihilate star systems through pure psychic might, not to mention people who can redefine and rewrite reality at a whim, and your super deadly weapon is... someone who can heal really welll and has sharp claws? That makes perfect sense
Re: Marvel cosmics:
Re: X-Men: You, sir, are a racist.
Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah. Aquaman is more compelling.
Wow. That is an awesome alternative post.
I don't read DC, so why would I know (or care) about early Green Lantern?
You, sir, have terrible taste.
Re: Marvel cosmics:
Yeah? Yeah? Well screw you, buddy!
Seriously, I don't mean to c ome off as a mindless DC fan, I do like a decent amount of Marvel, but seriously, in recent times Marvel has just jumped on the GRIMDARK!!!1! wagon in ways that make the 90s look sane and sensible. When I read about heroes, I want HEROES, dammit! Moral ambiguity makes some great plots, and can really improve a well-done villain, but seriously, there's a reason Batman is better than the Punisher and Cassandra Cain is my favorite comics heroine, and why Nu52, especially what they did to Captain Marvel, sucks hard1. They're good guys. That's what I want to see when I invest time and money into them. The whole sociopathic hero movement in comics these days in incredibly problematic.
Re: X-Men: You, sir, are a racist.
Nah, I'm a gay liberal atheist, everyone knows that means I can't be racist.
Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah.
Wrong. Superman is awesome. He is a fantastic character. The personal struggles the character runs into are brilliant and moving, and he's just awesome. There's a reason he's one of the Big Three of DC. But, yeah, Spider-man sucks. The premise about "responsibility" and whatnot is totally undermined by the fact that he never shows it. The Other shows he doesn't even have life insurance. As a super hero. He behaves like he's still in high school, despite being near 30 or so. He's had no real character development except being whiny and petulent, probably second only to Emoboy Prime in sheer suckage.
Aquaman is more compelling.
That's because Aquaman is badass. If Aquaman is comparable that instantly makes someone a top-tier badass.
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Well, that and the reboot destroyed decades of character development, and is really honestly insulting, declaring the characters and teams I love are beyond saving, and it's easier to just write the same stories over again than it is to continue the characters. I mean, sure, I'd love tosee Countdown, Gay for Justice, Identity Crisis, and so on removed, but Flashpoint could have been Zero Hour instead of condemning not just the opinions of every fan who had any emotional attachment to anyone from the Titans in all their previous incarnations to the JSA, but also just flat-out removed from existence some of the best characters ever. Barry Allen died in a badass fashion; Why was he resurrected just to wind up killing off a character with more recent, more compelling character development. Wally being unmade, Cassandra Cain and the other post-Barbara Batgirls not existing, Red Arrow being turned into a GRIMDARK!!one!(Yes, I'm in denial of the events of Rise of Arsenal) and destroying his history including unmaking Lian Harper, one of the most adorable characters ever, hell even destroying the brilliant character development for Barbara's time as Oracle, it's just a disaster, and honestly declaring all that brilliant history and awesome characters pointless, and just removing it all together in favor of GRIMDARK!!!11one! and the ability to retell a few stories is not just lazy, but is insulting to me as a fan.
Also, seriously, the destruction of the core concept of Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family, Billy Batson being the sickeningly sweet, absolutely pure good guy is stupid beyond words. I hate, hate, HATE nu52.
Also, seriously, the destruction of the core concept of Captain Marvel and the Marvel Family, Billy Batson being the sickeningly sweet, absolutely pure good guy is stupid beyond words. I hate, hate, HATE nu52.
...Superman is a Marty Stu that's incredibly boring because of his Stu-ness.
You sure we read the same comic? Superman is a great character .He has a fascinating character, great development, faces real challenges, hell, Batman is closer to being a Sue than Supes.
You sure we read the same comic? Superman is a great character .He has a fascinating character, great development, faces real challenges, hell, Batman is closer to being a Sue than Supes.
Oh yeah, Batman should totally call himself Sue Wayne. That said, Supes is definitely a Stu. Able to do all the crap he does and only beatable by people of the same totally stupid level of power pretty much says that. Hmm ok, to be fair he may have started as a Stu and then they tried to fix him by giving him actual challenges or something, I dunno. What I do know, though, is that creating a character that's basically god incarnate and placing him on the same planet you live on is pretty much textbook Stu. Not Goodkind level Stu but close.
Or, in other words, your definition of Sue is a bit flawed.
Re: Superman: Look, while I agree the power level in comics is a bit flawed(Although my big complaint lies in speed rather than strength and durability, but that's neither here nor there), calling Supes unbeatable is disingenuous at best. The Elite took him to school, and they were B-listers in power. Telepaths own him, he's gotten beaten by weak cosmics with infrastructure, For the Man who has Everything, Mongul won without throwing a punch, and that's ignoring magic. Sure, he's a powerhouse, but not only is he not unbeatable,, his best stories don't even focus on the physical conflict, but rather character conflict.
Would comics be more enjoyable if they were more in line with the DCAU in terms of power? Sure. But you're taking the complaint quite a bit too far.
Meh. Superman's "I only have one weakness!!1!1" schtick gets old fast. Plus, hating X-Men is racist.
Someones probably already pointed this out, but I only made it this far in the thread so far, but Superman has lots of weaknesses, Green Kryptonite, Gold Kryptonite, Red Kryptonite, Plaid Krptonite, and the tar infused Kryptonite that Richard Pryor made that makes Superman split off into two different people.
Superman and Spiderman are easily the worst comic heroes evah. Aquaman is more compelling.
Just when I think theres no way you could get any more reTardis.
Just when I think theres no way you could get any more reTardis.
Says the Dr Who fan ... ;)
About Superman: it's funny how the same people often will cry about him being "overpowered" and "unbeatable" and still claim Batman could take him on and win
Supes' biggest weakness isn't the kryptonite or magic though, it's his goody-goody attitude and/or that he has to be careful not to destroy the world by sneezing. I still don't like him much, but at least I try to understand the character.
And he's much more awesome than Hal "Green Lame-o" Jordan
Lex, being Lex, is of course right... and he gets saved by Jade, who then precedes to womp on some ape ass1.
But that kind of "yes, there's super heroes around" thing just isn't going to happen in the movies... each and every superhero movie these days is kinda premised on heroes/villains not already being present and around, and being new and exciting.
So no Kingdom Come, no Age of Apocalypse or House of M, no Young Justice, no Green Lantern and Green Arrow have a crazy road trip where they learn about bromance and how sometimes you gotta take your ring off to punch some bitch in the face, no Young Avengers, no Runaways, no Outsiders, no eXiles2...
I guess that's part of why I'm kinda excited about this upcoming Days of Future Past movie. I'll be terribly disappointed if they don't show the future where mutants, heroes and villains are a major force and not a rare commodity. For that matter, I kinda like the X-Men movies for (if nothing else) showing that not all powers are super and that this stuff isn't anything new.
*ahem*
Anyway, point being... depending on how they do Superman vs. Batman, it could be interesting. Or it could be Alien vs. Predator. Eitherway, I'm curious if it'll be counted as "in continuity" with either the Superman or Batman movies. Then again, I'm not sure the last time any of the Superman movies were "in continuity" with themselves.
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1I did enjoy Outsiders for a while. Probably would have kept reading it if I hadn't moved to a town that didn't have a comic book store.
2In case it's not obvious, I'm partial to the X-Men. Not Marvel in general, just the X-Men. Excluding them, my Marvel vs. DC vs. Anyone else are about equal.
Spider-Man is cool, it's the stuff that's done to the character that's stoopid.
Wrong. He's just a flat-out terrible character. Whiny, doesn't even live up to his own schtick, he's just terrible, even before One More Day.
About Superman: it's funny how the same people often will cry about him being "overpowered" and "unbeatable" and still claim Batman could take him on and win
Which is, of course, only enabled by plot-induced stupidity. If Supes really wanted Batman dead, he'd just blitz Batman at FTL speeds and punch his head off.
But Batman wank is a discussion for another day.
And he's much more awesome than Hal "Green Lame-o" Jordan
Yup. Of course, that's not too big a deal, because veryone knows Allan Scott is the real Green Lantern.
If Supes really wanted Batman dead, he'd just blitz Batman at FTL speeds and punch his head off.
... You do realize, I hope, the biggest reason such a plan wouldn't work for Superman, yes?1
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1Hint: it has something to do with remembering these are characters and not just collections of abilities.
If Supes really wanted Batman dead, he'd just blitz Batman at FTL speeds and punch his head off.
... You do realize, I hope, the biggest reason such a plan wouldn't work for Superman, yes?1
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1Hint: it has something to do with remembering these are characters and not just collections of abilities.
You missed the "If" part, I see. I mean, seriously brah, even for an OTTer, your reading comprehension is pretty bad.
Also, seriously, how many times has Supes been mind controlled, again? Or, even if he wasn't trying to kill him, he could still blitz Batman and knock him out.
Yup. Of course, that's not too big a deal, because veryone knows Allan Scott is the real Green Lantern.
A-hem.
Yup. Of course, that's not too big a deal, because veryone knows Allan Scott is the real Green Lantern.
A-hem.
Green is a lame color anyway. Blue and Gold are much better.
All Green Lanterns are terrible, but Guy's at least funny.
The pants of bulging and magic collar would like a word with you.
Green is a lame color anyway.
Fah! You're just too weak-willed.
Blue and Gold are much better.
Yes, we all know Booster Gold rocks. That's beside the point.
Booster Gold rocks? What it wrong with kids today?
Their parents did drugs. Lots of drugs. Like so many drugs even ZB is like "Woah... that's a lot of drugs."
You missed the "If" part, I see. I mean, seriously brah, even for an OTTer, your reading comprehension is pretty bad.
I missed nothing. I just don't think hypotheticals that invole Superman breaking character to be in good faith. It's like arguing that Iron Man could have ended Civil War at any time by ordering a nuclear strike (or some comparable excessive amount of force) on Captain America. While true, it's completetly irrelevant because at that point you've taken bad writing and made it worse just so your favored champion can be victorioius.
Seriously, any time you're arguing which superhero can beat up which superhero, you can end it however you want... as long as you break character. If you want to keep it interesting, you have to keep it within the realm of what the characters would actually do, not just what they're theoretically capable of. If that means that yes, Superman is going to willfully juggle the idiot ball, then guess what? He has a long history of said juggling and having him suddenly let it drop so he can laser Batman's face off isn't going to be terribly persuassive in a "who would win" argument.
Or, to make a long story short... I didn't miss your "if", I found it irrelevant.
Booster Gold rocks? What it wrong with kids today?
He is the best Green Lantern.
It has to be.
Cant be any worse than George Clooney.
How can it be worse than a man that gave Marie orgasm just by existing?
And more sucktastic news.
Awesome.
So she loves males whose farts don't stink?
Yes. I dicovered that when she farted on me when we were naked. The message was clear: do not fart near me again.
And more sucktastic news.
Awesome.
You are a terrible person.
Anything with Supes in it is automatically terrible and deserves a fate worse than Bloom. Like, if that were the case the ideal cast should be Cage and Reeves as Supes and Bat (or Bat and Supes - not like it matters) and the thing should be directed by a Bay and Bolle tag team.
I vomitted a bit in my mouth.
At what point during your reading of ZB's post did you begin to expel the bile?
When Cage and Reeves were mentioned as actors. Bay and Bolle didn't help.
Well, when you're talkin' Superman or Star Bores that's the level of 'talent' you deserve, yanno?
You awful awful man.
50 milions $ for Bale and Malcom's dad as Lex Luthor.
Won't happen.