Save Our Seeker

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#1

dreadhorn

Oct 08, 2010 3:58:48
I only recently came across the TV series Legend of the Seeker (as far as I know it hasn't aired in Australia so I did not know about it). It is freaking fantastic in all aspects. It is a beautiful, true epic fantasy TV series. I started to do some research and then I found out the most horrible thing...

It was cancelled after 2 seasons.

I almost cried. Then I found out that there was a fan based campaign to try and convince SOMEONE to bring it back for a third and more seasons! I'm hopping onto that bandwagon and praying that someone has the sense to realise it's awesomeness and take it on board. What frustrates me is that some commercial trash (Merlin, I'm looking at you) is on prime time and continuing on strong, where as this TV series axed and it exceeds Merlin in every possible way (IMO).

So if you haven't seen Legend of the Seeker - look it up! Love it and hunger for it like I did. Then hopefully you too will want to save our seeker.
#2

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 9:38:24
Save your Seeker?  No.  Terry Goodkind is the worst kind of hack and allowing him to make more money off of the utter **** he's written will only encourage him to continue.  A man that egotistical needs no help in that regard.  Failure will never stop him - he thinks far too highly of his 'talent' - but it may, just may discourage editors and the like from buying more of his crap.  It's far, far better that this garbage is left in the trash where it belongs.  And, I'm sorry but if Firefly got cancelled and was never brought back, **** the Seeker.  It's terrible.  Firefly was actually good.  Goodkind's crap is the worst kind of awful there is.  So yeah, no I will not help you save your Seeker.  Instead, I'm gonna be all sorts of loud opposing it.

EDIT: And I'm also disgusted and offended both that you dared include anyone aside from yourself here.  'Our' Seeker?  **** that noise.
#3

modern_iconoclast

Oct 08, 2010 9:40:51
Wow, it looks like you can't stand the guy.
May I inquire as to why?
Honest curiosity.
#4

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 9:48:00
I read 4 or 6 of his books (can't remember) and found the writing to be terrible.  He uses the same formula in every book and it's not a good one.  I've also had the 'pleasure' of reading several interviews with the man that other posters were kind enough to repost here (during other discussions of his awfulness) and discovered that not only is he an untalented hack, he's also delusional, egotistical and quite a ****.  He honestly believes what he is writing isn't fantasy - it's higher than that, you see.  He deals with real issues.  Uh huh.  Oh, and if you don't like his stuff or do think it is fantasy (and it is), it's because you're too stupid to 'get' him (and yes, he basically says as much).  Really, Erato is proably the best at explaining the very many things wrong with Goodkind's work.  I just know it's terrible.  When you read 4 or 6 books or whatever it was and they're all exactly the same, I dunno, I just get a 'hack' sort of feel.

EDIT: And yes, I'm taking some internet license with some of this stuff.  You know, exaggerating for effect.  I do honestly think his work is terrible, though, and that the literary world would be better if he just stopped.
#5

ADHadh

Oct 08, 2010 11:17:55
Actually, the TV show is rather far from the books. For one thing, it's quite good, while not original.
I think they only aired the first season in my country though. Or at least I know it ended at Darken Rahl's death (don't complain about spoilers, it's been prophesied!).
#6

erato

Oct 08, 2010 12:11:34
Really, Erato is proably the best at explaining the very many things wrong with Goodkind's work.  I just know it's terrible.  When you read 4 or 6 books or whatever it was and they're all exactly the same, I dunno, I just get a 'hack' sort of feel.

You do me too much credit. But I haven't seen the show, and apparently, it's very far from the books. There isn't (as of yet) any objectivist propaganda, Kahlan isn't useless (sans deux ex machina powers which never return after her first almost-**** by a gay paedophile brought it up in her), and there apparently hasn't been any rapes yet.

I do admit I'm a bit curious to see how they've handled various aspects of the books, such as the namble – a monster with a huge, spiked you-know-what who 'injects' (a.k.a ****s) the sisters of the dark with male magic which they have stolen because it's the only way female mages can be competitive, except it doesn't help them at all since they get captured by the evil emperor Jagangbang who forces them to wear see-through clothing and work in his brothel-camps. And with the exception of the emperor's name (which is just Jagang) I didn't even make that up.


If we get to book 5, they'll also have to include Bertram and Hildemara Chambor, a famous political couple (Bertram cheats on his wife, and Hildemara is ambitious, ugly, and unfeminine) who tricks a whole country into voting for Bertram, certain proof that democracy doesn't work and that the only way to truly be free is to submit yourself to Richard. That's a recurring theme btw, Richard demanding complete obedience and everybody who resists is against freedom.


I especially like the part where a woman is forced to go down on her knees and worship Richard for an hour, and this makes her realise that there is freedom in worshipping the ideals of goodness and selfishness as embodied by the majesty of Richard, and suddenly, the sun is shinning. Though my number one scene to see how they've handled must be the part where Kahlan threatens to have her half-sister gang-raped to death, especially because the justification for it is incredible weak even by Goodkind's standards.


PS, I believe you only read 4 books, because you stopped when the series was still mainly ripping off Robert Jordan, not Ayn Rand. You never got to the part about Richard being the world's greatest sculptor and making statues so filled with beauty and freedom that they get a whole nation to go down on their knees and cry, because they finally realise the evil of their communist ways.
#7

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 12:20:00
You do me too much credit.



Hardly. 

But I haven't seen the show, and apparently, it's very far from the books.



Even so, I honestly believe we'd all be better off if the series stays failed.  The last thing this hack needs is more encouragement and the last thing we need is more of his writing. 

PS, I believe you only read 4 books, because you stopped when the series was still mainly ripping off Robert Jordan, not Ayn Rand. You never got to the part about Richard being the world's greatest sculptor and making statues so filled with beauty and freedom that they get a whole nation to go down on their knees and cry, because they finally realise the evil of their communist ways.



Quite right.  Thanks for clarifying that for me.  I guess I should have just waited a bit longer.  I mean, I can't believe I missed the awesome statues.  Heh.
#8

scypio

Oct 08, 2010 12:21:00
What are these books? Is "Legend of the Seeker" also the name of the books or just the series?

I kind of want to read them to see if they're really THAT bad. But I'm not sure I can commit myself to 4-6 books just for the sake of "intelligent mockery". Maybe I'll look them up on Wikipedia.
#9

zombie_babies

Oct 08, 2010 12:27:01
Legend of the Seeker was, apparently, loosely based upon Terry Goodkind's Wizard's First Rule series.  There's more than 6 of 'em, but I honestly got frustratingly bored with his terrible style and stupid names by about book 2.  It's not worth reading - even to bash - IMO.  There's excerpts of his most (in)famous stuff out there, though, so maybe try lookin' for those. 

I was actually disappointed I didn't like his stuff.  Wizard's First Rule is something I agree with - people are stupid (it goes further, but it's still quite agreeable).  Too bad you have to be one of the stupid ones to actually enjoy Goodkind's work.    Ok, harsh.  But yeah, I really think he sucks.
#10

erato

Oct 08, 2010 16:53:23
What are these books? Is "Legend of the Seeker" also the name of the books or just the series?

I kind of want to read them to see if they're really THAT bad. But I'm not sure I can commit myself to 4-6 books just for the sake of "intelligent mockery". Maybe I'll look them up on Wikipedia.

There's more than 6 of 'em, but I honestly got frustratingly bored with his terrible style and stupid names by about book 2.  It's not worth reading - even to bash - IMO.  There's excerpts of his most (in)famous stuff out there, though, so maybe try lookin' for those. 

This, really.

They're quite dull most of the time, but some of the concepts and passages are comedic gold, like someone was writing the Spın̈al Tap of fantasy, except being serious about it. It's just about getting to those passages. There was a bunch of George R. R. Martin fans who used to post quotes on their forum to make fun of, and they collected the quotes here They missed a few (like the bad guys removing women's left nipple to control them), but just spend 20 minutes or so clicking on the links (among the first are Richard crushing the jaw of an 8 year old and killing pacifists) and you should have an understanding of what's wrong with the books.

#11

dreadhorn

Oct 09, 2010 1:13:07
I apologise, I should have written it as "Save Our Seeker" because that is the name of the fan-based campaign.

Regardless of what you think of Terry Goodkind, there isn't that many quality fantasy TV shows out there. Have you watched Legend of the Seeker? If you had, you would have realised it was only loosely based on the books, and quite interesting and has an epic feeling rarely seen on TV.

While I agree the books aren't that great, it doesn't take it away from the TV series.
#12

toastedamphibian

Oct 09, 2010 1:44:38
The TV series is not written by Terry Goodkind, and it is my understanding that he wanted the show to be cancelled because it was not enough like his terrible writting to please him. The show getting a new season is thus unlikely to please him in anyway.

Edit: That said, the ending was rather ending like. I do not see where the story would continue from there, and see no reason to try to continue it. It ended, not because it was 'cancelled' but rather because it, well, reached the end.
#13

ADHadh

Oct 09, 2010 8:33:54
Really, Erato is proably the best at explaining the very many things wrong with Goodkind's work.  I just know it's terrible.  When you read 4 or 6 books or whatever it was and they're all exactly the same, I dunno, I just get a 'hack' sort of feel.

You do me too much credit. But I haven't seen the show, and apparently, it's very far from the books. There isn't (as of yet) any objectivist propaganda, Kahlan isn't useless (sans deux ex machina powers which never return after her first almost-**** by a gay paedophile brought it up in her), and there apparently hasn't been any rapes yet.

I do admit I'm a bit curious to see how they've handled various aspects of the books, such as the namble – a monster with a huge, spiked you-know-what who 'injects' (a.k.a ****s) the sisters of the dark with male magic which they have stolen because it's the only way female mages can be competitive, except it doesn't help them at all since they get captured by the evil emperor Jagangbang who forces them to wear see-through clothing and work in his brothel-camps. And with the exception of the emperor's name (which is just Jagang) I didn't even make that up.


If we get to book 5, they'll also have to include Bertram and Hildemara Chambor, a famous political couple (Bertram cheats on his wife, and Hildemara is ambitious, ugly, and unfeminine) who tricks a whole country into voting for Bertram, certain proof that democracy doesn't work and that the only way to truly be free is to submit yourself to Richard. That's a recurring theme btw, Richard demanding complete obedience and everybody who resists is against freedom.


I especially like the part where a woman is forced to go down on her knees and worship Richard for an hour, and this makes her realise that there is freedom in worshipping the ideals of goodness and selfishness as embodied by the majesty of Richard, and suddenly, the sun is shinning. Though my number one scene to see how they've handled must be the part where Kahlan threatens to have her half-sister gang-raped to death, especially because the justification for it is incredible weak even by Goodkind's standards.


PS, I believe you only read 4 books, because you stopped when the series was still mainly ripping off Robert Jordan, not Ayn Rand. You never got to the part about Richard being the world's greatest sculptor and making statues so filled with beauty and freedom that they get a whole nation to go down on their knees and cry, because they finally realise the evil of their communist ways.


...you know, now I'm happy I didn't see what's after Darken Rahl's death. Or read any of the books.
Oh, and I think no one pointed out that the actual book series name is "Sword of Truth", and Wizard's First Rule is the first in the series.
#14

evilvegan

Oct 09, 2010 13:49:11
The TV series is not written by Terry Goodkind, and it is my understanding that he wanted the show to be cancelled because it was not enough like his terrible writting to please him. The show getting a new season is thus unlikely to please him in anyway.

Edit: That said, the ending was rather ending like. I do not see where the story would continue from there, and see no reason to try to continue it. It ended, not because it was 'cancelled' but rather because it, well, reached the end.


That's what I was thinking.

I liked season 1 a lot.  From what I'm reading here it is because it deviated from the books by quite a bit.  The second season was lacking, but what it lacked in substance it made up for with retardation.

Also, it was a very final finale. 

By the way, my mother, brother, and best friend love Terry Goodkind novels (in other words, you're jerks!); but they're not what I would call "discerning" readers and like pretty much anything they read. Also I doubt they read anything into/from it.  It's not like people read all books for their symbolic content; they read it for entertainment. And that's subjective.


Is that thread of quotes PG/safe for work?  I'm at work and would love to read through it, but I won't bother when I'm at home...