Star Gate: Universe. Did you see it? What did you think?
I saw it.
It has potenial.
However thay are going for a Darker And Edgier stargate and many shows overshoot that mark when they try.
I sincerely hope they go lightly with the flashbacks. One Lost is enough....
Lighter on the flashbacks please.
Otherwise, I think it has potential.
Kind of a BSG crossed with Stargate is what I'm getting feel wise. (with much the same objective.. Get back to Earth, while being in a falling apart ancient warship. Wow....)
As long as we don't get a Carter loves Oneil season, or pretty much the entirety of Atlantis I think it will be good enough to watch.
Oh, and don't do a sudden turn off the track you are going with like a certain hit Scifi Drama did. (Looking at you Seasons 4 and 5 of BSG which don't even really belong with the first three seasons)
Between, Sanctuary and this. I would much rather watch this. Sanctuary, is a train wreck of bad writing, bad Cg sets and horrible acting. (Amanda Tapping isn't what I'd call a stellar actress on her good day... let alone her trying to fake a british accent which doesn't even stay the same within a given episode)
Just watched it...
Good for the most part, though like most people said, OUCH! too many flashbacks. I enjoyed the Gamer (the one who cracked the code)'s personality.
I have followed the first SG movie, some of the series and was VERY dissapointed to see that Michael Shanks was only briefly in it. I hope he joins the cast later, as he made it fun for me to watch.
The flashbacks didn't bother me for I don't think they'll be a normal part of the show. they're usually just used to start something out so that the show/movie can jump into the actions and just fill in the view with somewhat important info when it's more convenient. If it does continue it will suck. Overall it was OK. Didn't suck and it wasn't the bee's knees. Has potential.
Umm guys, it's like df said. The flashbacks were there to give you some backstory. This was the pilot and it started with people coming from somewhere for some reason we didn't have any idea about. The flashbacks were used to tell us what went down. There'll probably be some more, but I can't see it being a huge part of the show.
I liked it. They went darker but kept some funny. Hopefully they can keep a good balance. The best news? Lou Diamond Phillips was only in the thing for about 5 mins. I hate him.
My major concern is that the story is gonna be driven by what the ship needs. Oh, and these missions appear as though they'll be timed. I ****ing hate timed missions. I hope that's something they'll get away from, but who knows. I will check it out next week, though.
Heh, I kind of like Lou Diamond actually. He's a C lister that's some how famous enough to be known.
And he does act better than Keanu Reeves. :P
Ok, he is better than 'Whoa', but he's still so bad it's painful. I've seen some of his 'work' and now hate him for it.
Think about the quality of films he has to work with in the first place. Route 666? Seriously? You are going to judge -anyone- based off of movies like that? (well anyone but the director, the actor's agents, and the producers of the film)
Have you seen the films Michael Shanks has been in? So bad I'd rather watch Mansquito. Yeah I went there.
*shudders and vomits*
Chances are, if they are on the Scifi Channel ... oh my bad Syfy Channel they've been in films that are so bad that you'll want to vomit on sight.
He's still the one that said 'yes' when shown the scripts, though. He may act in bad films, but he's also a bad actor. There, I said it. :P
Umm guys, it's like df said. The flashbacks were there to give you some backstory. This was the pilot and it started with people coming from somewhere for some reason we didn't have any idea about. The flashbacks were used to tell us what went down. There'll probably be some more, but I can't see it being a huge part of the show.
I liked it. They went darker but kept some funny. Hopefully they can keep a good balance. The best news? Lou Diamond Phillips was only in the thing for about 5 mins. I hate him.
My major concern is that the story is gonna be driven by what the ship needs. Oh, and these missions appear as though they'll be timed. I ****ing hate timed missions. I hope that's something they'll get away from, but who knows. I will check it out next week, though.
I think all the missions will have random departure times they might be at some planets for a couple of hours and at other planets for several months untill they get control of the ship's hyperdrive or whatever type of drive it has. We also don't know if anyone on board has the ancient gene if not it makes piloting the ship very difficult I'll love it the fat guy has the gene and Dr. Rush doesn't.
That's true, they could have longer time limits for certain places. I just really dislike time limits period. Everything is artificially forced and it irritates me. Stoopid countdown clock. :P
That's a good point. We don't know if anyone has the gene or not. Though we may assume that any SG personnel does since they had the genetic manipulation thingy set up in previous shows and they'd likely get officers (at least Col) and top science doods hooked up. I'm not sure, but I think the fact that the main science guy can access the screens and the like on the ship means he's likely got it. Don't know for sure, though.
I'm thinking the "timed" missions are likely only to occur until they can figure out the ship's systems so for show reasons once they've got a few things repaired and the ship more livable and flyable. After that they'll likely work on trying to get back to earth. likely with trying to create a new kind of faster hyper drive while way out in space.
I thought it was great seeing the ol' ring spinning again!
I think there is a lot of potential there. In running up to its launch, there was some discussion of the lack of heroes and I think they've done that. It's a ship full of very flawed people. I will have trouble liking some of them. I don't think Rush can be trusted. I'm glad the politician got to do something productive. The ship is very cool.
I think the flashbacks could have been cut better. I felt jarred by them as well. (It might have been a directoral decision, rather than an error so I'll give them some lattitude.)
I wasn't a real big fan of BSG, but saw enough to see the connections people are drawing to SG:U. I'm okay with it too a point... If people start making up curse words and guns are getting pointed heads every episode, then I'm out.
Anybody every see the Stargate RPG that Alderac put out several years back... and then MGM pulled the liscense on... It was built on D&D3E, but I was never able to convince my party to shift gears that far... was wondering if anybody else had every gotten around to playing it?
And I'll be there watching it on Friday... Let's hope they don't disappoint us!
I'm thinking the "timed" missions are likely only to occur until they can figure out the ship's systems so for show reasons once they've got a few things repaired and the ship more livable and flyable. After that they'll likely work on trying to get back to earth. likely with trying to create a new kind of faster hyper drive while way out in space.
That's what I'm hoping for - and the way I see it playing out. Maybe a season or two and then an episode or two here and there with these emergency stops and timed missions an' junk. They'll also likely need to stop to get food and water and crap, too. They'll be trying to get back home, but I think that main science dood will try to stop it, too. Subtly, of course.
It's kind of a combination of Stargate, BSG and Voyager. Weird, but good so far.
I posted a bit unclearly,
I didn't like the flashbacks, they were very confusing, but I agree with df in sayin that they probably won't be in every episode. Also, I meant to say I like Michael Shank's character. I've never seen any of his other work , so I can't really judge him personally.
I think that Rush has some motives of his own.
And let us not forget that Rush is a terrible, terrible band.
It's a ship full of very flawed people. I will have trouble liking some of them. I don't think Rush can be trusted. I'm glad the politician got to do something productive. The ship is very cool.
Flawed people? More like a bunch of idiots and a few people worth a darn, but that's just me.
What scientist can be trusted when it comes to a dicision of morality?
I didn't like the flashbacks, they were very confusing
Really? I don't see why people found them confusing. I though they were cut fine and easy to follow and recognize after about 1 or 2 of them, very informative, got what they needed done, helped the story move how it needed to etc etc. Basically I thought they were clear cut and easy to read.
I think that Rush has some motives of his own.
Like what, science? I don't blame him, he's a scientists. His first priority is to learn not to save a bunch of bumbling idiots.
And let us not forget that Rush is a terrible, terrible band.
They have a couple of good songs, or ok or whatever.
Really? I don't see why people found them confusing. I though they were cut fine and easy to follow and recognize after about 1 or 2 of them, very informative, got what they needed done, helped the story move how it needed to etc etc. Basically I thought they were clear cut and easy to read.
I agree. Cut well enough to be easily followed/understood.
They have a couple of good songs, or ok or whatever.
Liar! Take it back! Take it back now! :P
Rush rocks. Geddy Lee, awesome. Neil Peart, awesome. Alex lifeson, not so awesome but good with the other two.
I saw them in Pittsburgh back in...I think it was the summer of '89.
Well, confusing at first I mean, after you saw them you went like "Ohhhhh, that how it happened,"
Rush was/is one of my dad's favorite bands , I think they're kinda wierd lol!
Nicholas Rush has every right to do his scientific studies, but he shouldn't risk other peoples lives to do so, at least not if it's not crucial to getting back home.
(Which is pretty much everything he'll discover on the ship, so I'm guessing many lives will be risked in Rush's studies, some of which are justified)
Anyway, my two cents, now I'll be back in a few hours to see if you've picked apart my opinion yet.
Then again, who has any right to say what reasons are just to risk another's life.
It's a ship full of very flawed people. I will have trouble liking some of them. I don't think Rush can be trusted. I'm glad the politician got to do something productive. The ship is very cool.
I was really concerned at first that the show was going to buy into the standard SG tropes. Politician = evil, experienced commander must die on first mission so twenty-somethings can take command. I was pleasantly surprised when they subverted both of those tropes. I just hope they don't expect us to believe that Rush can get away with not allowing anyone else to communicate with Earth. And the ship is pretty cool.
What scientist can be trusted when it comes to a dicision of morality?
Wow. I really hope you meant to say what fictional, two-dimensional, stereotype of a scientist. Unlike most people, real scientists, especially research scientists, actually have to make decisions on ethics and morality as part of their jobs, as well as facing peer review, plus public and legal scrutiny. The scientists that I have known have always had the most coherent, well considered, and, most importantly, applied ethical framework of just about any profession.
I didn't like the flashbacks, they were very confusing
Flashbacks can be a very effective tool when properly used. I just hope they resist the urge to over use them. Lost has made me flashback shy.
And let us not forget that Rush is a terrible, terrible band.
There, there, when you get thru puberty you'll understand them better. Now go back to watching your Jonas Brothers DVD....
Edit: added smiley to clarify tone of last remark.
I don't know who jake is so I'm not responding to him. I'll just assume he's a jerk because of the way he chose to respond to me post. Of course it could just be because he ain't familiar with me but then that's his fault.
I'm pretty sure that counts as a response.... And I don't recall calling you any names.
I'd add that my experience has been that most shows don't get really good until the 2nd or 3rd season. It takes that long for the writers/actors/producers to settle in and figure out what works, both with the show and and the audience.
Well, I meant real vs. fictional. Fictional scientists tend to be portrayed as a cross between Dr. Moreau and Dr. Frankenstein. Either that or as saints in white lab coats. But just to be clear, are you saying that scientists shouldn't concern themselves with how they get their results, just with getting results?
It depends with what they're in science for. If they are in it to be human and to help without doing harm...snip... That's cool.
With the exception of the commentary that I snipped, that is the definition of ethical behavior.
If a scientist on the other hand just wants to learn and don't care about morality much, if at all, then more power to them ....
And that is the very definition of unethical behavior.
I've met people who bragged about being thieves, about being violent, even about being corrupt, but I have never met a single academic or working scientist who openly advocated unethical research, especially premature human testing. Not outside of a history book, anyway. Wow. Just...wow.
Do you mind if I ask what field you plan on entering?
A couple of things.
- The ships name is Destiny.
- The drive is not hyper drive. It has been refereed to as a FTL drive.
- Destiny was launched the the ancients before they ascended. That would put them out of range of piloting the ship the back within a human lifetime.
- The return to the Milky galaxy would most likely be done by finding a power source powerful enough to get the Stargate to dial the return address they found.
There, there, when you get thru puberty you'll understand them better. Now go back to watching your Jonas Brothers DVD....
You're a bit - or totally - off the mark. Since it was obviously in jest, it's all good in the hood - though I should boil you in cat urine for even suggesting I own anything by the Jonas Brothers.
Regarding Rush, sure, they could be good, I guess. That is, if you're into a man trying to sing like a woman that can't, you know, sing. Why anyone would do that is baffling. Not quite as baffling as how anyone could actually think doing such an impersonation was a good thing, though. I suppose if you're into the 'art' of entertainment more than actually being entertained by the music it would be a wonderful experience. For me, I don't listen to music to experience a singer doing an impression of someone that can't sing. I'd rather the singer actually be talented enough to sound good in his or her own voice. It's possible the man can sing but we'll never know. He's so obsessed with trying to sound like a woman that can't sing that it's terribly unlikely we'll ever hear his real voice.
You're a bit - or totally - off the mark. Since it was obviously in jest, it's all good in the hood - though I should boil you in cat urine for even suggesting I own anything by the Jonas Brothers.
You're too merciful
...You're too merciful
I know. I should have taken it a bit further, but it was just a joke. And I honestly think I'm becoming nicer the older I get. I'm not sure how I feel about that just yet.
I just noticed this thread, coincidentally just an hour or two after re-watching the pilot episode. I think the show definitely has potential, though it's a pretty drastic departure thematically from the previous two Stargate series.
I keep seeing people comparing SGU to BSG, but I think it's more like Lost. We have an eclectic bunch of survivors stranded in an isolated and hostile environment with no apparent means of returning home. This group of disparate personalities is starting to fracture into two different groups because of powerful leaders with opposing philosophies. One is a Man of Science and the other a Man of Faith, though unlike the Jack/Locke duality, it is the Man of Faith that wants to anything to return home and the Man of Science that seems to have a strange attachment to their new home. You even have an overweight (if in this case only slightly so) geeky character acting as the lovable comic relief, a girl from a privileged family who loses a family member shortly after they arrive (though the senator's daughter is considerably less annoying than Shannon), and a wild card with a drawl and a mysterious (and criminal) past.
Other than that both SGU and BSG are gritty space dramas, I really don't see many similarities there. Ok, in both cases, the survivors are trying to get to Earth, but since for one Earth is an asylum from a relentless enemy and for the other Earth is the home to which they're trying to return, Earth plays a very different role each of the shows. And I also don't see many similarities to the characters of BSG -- or at least not anywhere near as many as to the characters of Lost.
So SG:U is like Lord of the Flies? :P I do see it, though. It's been a while since I read that number, but your description of Lost (which I refuse to watch - I get enough of a show going back on itself over and over and over and over again with Heroes) is pretty much a modified LotF - complete with plane crash! :P
I think that the BSG comparisons (and actually know as far as the mentions I myself made) have more to do with the overall style than the construct. It's not a BSG plot, it's a BSG type of attitude. Darker, a little bleak (I say a little because, compared to BSG, it is - compared to the other SGs, it's The Road) and more serious. They seem to be trying to make people instead of characters - for the most part. So, that's at least what I - and what I assume most - meant when making the comparison to BSG.
Do realize that ordinary people can set the stage just as well as characters can. People are just like characters. It's kind of cool to see what an everyday person could go through when lost through space or time. At the same time, the character knows what to expect, so it makes it kind of boring to hear the 'Know-it-all' talk about what's happening- when others don't.
Actually, I think making your characters people instead of just characters is the only way to make a gritty show work. BSG did it well. The previous SGs used characters. They simply filled a role and didn't vary from it much if at all. The BSG style 'person' character could be counted on to act more like a real person may - to the benefit of the style. More depth, I guess, would be the easiest way to say it.
EDIT: In other words, my previous post was not criticising 'people' characters in any way.
There, there, when you get thru puberty you'll understand them better. Now go back to watching your Jonas Brothers DVD....
You're a bit - or totally - off the mark. Since it was obviously in jest, it's all good in the hood - though I should boil you in cat urine for even suggesting I own anything by the Jonas Brothers.Regarding Rush, sure, they could be good, I guess. That is, if you're into a man trying to sing like a woman that can't, you know, sing. Why anyone would do that is baffling. Not quite as baffling as how anyone could actually think doing such an impersonation was a good thing, though. I suppose if you're into the 'art' of entertainment more than actually being entertained by the music it would be a wonderful experience. For me, I don't listen to music to experience a singer doing an impression of someone that can't sing. I'd rather the singer actually be talented enough to sound good in his or her own voice. It's possible the man can sing but we'll never know. He's so obsessed with trying to sound like a woman that can't sing that it's terribly unlikely we'll ever hear his real voice.
Actually my fondness for Rush is mostly based in nostalgia. One of their songs was the theme for my senior prom, which pretty much shows how codger-y I am. I had to look them up on wikipedia to find out if they were still around. You have to give them their due, tho. 24 gold records and 14 platinum (3 multi platinum) is pretty impressive. They could pretty much suck now, for all I know.
As for the Jonas Brothers, it's a convenient insult, but, meh, who are we to judge? Every generation has it 'boy' bands. My generation 'rocked out' (and I use the term loosely) to White Snake (shudder). In the nineties I worked concert security and was forced to endure multiple Backstreet Boys and N'Sync concerts. Hell on Earth for me, but, wow, did the (almost exclusively female) crowds have a good time. I don't think I've ever enjoyed a show as much as they did. Not sober, anyway.
Oh, and if you find yourself between shifts, at night, smoking a cig, standing behind a venue where a wildly popular boy band has just played, and someone bums a light and asks what you thought of the show, don't, under any circumstances, go off on a rant about how crappy and talentless they are, until you've taken a good look at the person's face and are absolutely sure they aren't a member of said band in civilian clothing.
Astrophysics
Well, that's a relief anyway. Now I can wish you luck in your future pursuits, safe in the knowledge that you probably aren't going to hurt anyone.
As for your Thalidomide rant, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The thalidomide tragedy was not caused by an over abundance of ethical restraint. It's effects were mitigated in the U.S. because of ethical restraint. Despite pressure from pharmacological companies for the FDA to approve widespread marketing of the drug to combat morning sickness, pharmacologists at the FDA refused, citing a lack of sufficient testing. Merrel drugs, in an attempt to prove the safety of Thalidomide, sponsored clinical trials. These trials proved just how dangerous the drug was when taken during pregnancy, at the cost of 17 "thalidomide babies," unfortunately.
You seem to have a skewed understanding of just what "ethical standards" means when applied to human testing. Probably not surprising, since the ethics of human trials and astrophysics do not often, if ever, interplay. Thanks in part to the Thalidomide Tragedy, as it has come to be called, no drugs in the US can be approved for human use without following standard testing procedures, which include small scale human tests. First, chemical modeling, then animal testing, then small scale human trials, then large scale ones. The system is far from perfect, but releasing a drug for human use without first doing small scale human testing is, by definition, unethical, just as performing small scale human testing without taking the previous steps is also unethical. Bioethics exists to protect humanity from bad science and to protect science from bad people. It only takes a few examples of unethical research (usually tied to monetary gain, not a desire to advance science) for a population to turn their collective backs on the sciences, to the detriment of us all.
Still, good luck with the astrophysics. If you ever feel there is something to be gained by shooting people into the sun, I strongly suggest consulting with an ethicist first.
Really enjoyed the opener - the ship looks incredibly cool and there is so much open plotline they could do with it.
Just please!!! No REPLICATORS! They have beaten that puppy to death in two series and I'll yarf if the leggo monsters show up again!
Well, that's a relief anyway. Now I can wish you luck in your future pursuits, safe in the knowledge that you probably aren't going to hurt anyone.
So you only wish me luck because you don't think I'm going to hurt anybody?
As for your Thalidomide rant, I'm afraid you're mistaken. The thalidomide tragedy was not caused by an over abundance of ethical restraint. It's effects were mitigated in the U.S. because of ethical restraint. Despite pressure from pharmacological companies for the FDA to approve widespread marketing of the drug to combat morning sickness, pharmacologists at the FDA refused, citing a lack of sufficient testing. Merrel drugs, in an attempt to prove the safety of Thalidomide, sponsored clinical trials. These trials proved just how dangerous the drug was when taken during pregnancy, at the cost of 17 "thalidomide babies," unfortunately.
OK, so I may have gotten this wrong a bit but to tell you the truth my knowledge of this incident is of the extent in which my antho professor talked about it. She made it seem way worse than what it really was and also made it seem like it was in wide usage for a very brief time and not that it was still in its testing state.
Here let me tell ya a bit about me self cuz ya don't know me. I am a forum jokester. Hardly anything I say is all that serious and that first comment of mine was ment to be taken lightly. It was basically partly made using a common TV trope as you had later explained. Thanks for seeing the joke without ever getting the joke. Also, I am one that doesn't have a whole wide range of emotions and of those few I knew other than happiness, laughter and anger, I don't feel them all that often or strongly so as a result I have trouble as seeing why unethical things are unethical when they do give results. yes, I am the kind of person that can hurt someone or see someone get hurt and not feel bad about it. That's how i've always been. Now, back to the scientist thing. Yes, I was making a comment using a common trope (but not linking to TVtropes because that sight is annoying in my opinion and addictive to others) but also partly saying what I believe. What I believe is that for the most part ethics is not involved in the gaining of knowledge (science). It, for the most part, only applies to the application of knowledge (science) cuz that is when things like health, money, idea ownership and other greeds are introduced. What you seem to be focused on is the application. What I'm focused on more is the gaining of knowledge part.
Now back to the show. Rush is a scientist, it is of my opinion that his first duty of a scientist is to learn. Well first make sure that the ship is livable for at least him and then learn and discover. If he wants to be a hero and save lives then sure he can. If we're talking about who's job it is to protect and save the people I'd say that it is the job of the military personal there to do that. If they do not have the smarts to run everything to save lives then it is their duty to pressure people with the know how, such as Rush, into saving the people.
Should he go killing people to learn? You might argue no because of ethics. I will however argue that he shouldn't because the military personnel and the other people would probably just lock him up and quarantine him from the rest of the crew. We might disagree but oh well. It happens.
Now can we watch the show to see how things go rather than get into a dumb debate of ethics that you seem to want to talk about?
Still, good luck with the astrophysics. If you ever feel there is something to be gained by shooting people into the sun, I strongly suggest consulting with an ethicist first.
And I'm not going to take you at heart because it just seems that you're belittling me for not showing a conscience. Well I'm sorry if we're not all born with one and that not all of us can feel bad and feel regret about all of our actions. It's just sad that one must belittle another for not having a range of emotions. If this is really the way you wish to look at me then I do not need to respond to you anymore, and if you do wish to then I wont.
Good day Sir.
I have removed much of my previous responses for they are off topic and add nothing to the discussion of SG:U
Still, good luck with the astrophysics. If you ever feel there is something to be gained by shooting people into the sun, I strongly suggest consulting with an ethicist first.
And I'm not going to take you at heart because it just seems that you're belittling me for not showing a conscience. Well I'm sorry if we're not all born with one and that not all of us can feel bad and feel regret about all of our actions. It's just sad that one must belittle another for not having a range of emotions. If this is really the way you wish to look at me then I do not need to respond to you anymore, and if you do wish to then I wont.Good day Sir.
I have removed much of my previous responses for they are off topic and add nothing to the discussion of SG:U
First of all this is in the Off-Topic Tavern don't worry about getting off topic. Second even if he was insulting you(which I doubt, it seems like he just trying to lighten the mood) it is still valid advice.
Well, how about we blend the two discussions. Ethics + SG:U. Was Rush (the scientist, not the band) right? Should he have dialed Earth (or some other safe place) and abandoned the chance at learning where the ninth chevron led? Or did he make the right choice, even if it meant dragging unwilling people along with him? Maybe on a suicide mission without their consent? What would you (as in the viewer) have done?
Hmmm. Scientific advancement and personal glory at the cost of shanghaing a crew to go with you, almost certainly getting some if not all of them killed? Or give up life's work and save everyone? Wow, that should be an easier choice for me, but I'm honestly not sure. I think I might have gone for the 9th chevron. At least then you have a chance at the perfect solution, prize plus saving everyone. Not sure I could have made that decision either way. If I'd been part of the crew, I think I might have gotten over being shaghaied, assuming I had no family back home. Even if I did, super cool Ancients Intergalactic Star Ship, and really going where no one has gone before? I might have forgiven Rush pretty quickly. Might not have trusted him from then on, but I'm a sucker for adrenalin.
Rush explained his actions with what I feel is a reasonable response to the situation at hand. If he had dialed Earth, he risked a portion or all of the energy from the about to explode planet being transferred through the gate with them - we've seen that this is possible in episodes of SG1 and Atlantis, most notably the Black Hole episode of SG1. Had he dialed Earth, he may have killed not only everyone that was evacuating but also likely everyone in the SGC and then some. Not the best call. The ninth chevron was a risk, but it was a risk to a much smaller number of people. Therefore, we can conclude that, though Rush may have acted selfishly, he also acted ethically by making the correct choice after considering the risk against the number of people involved in both scenarios.
EDIT: It can, of course, be argued that the ninth chevron could have taken them to an inhabited planet and he would have risked blowing them up as well. All things considered, Earth first, baby. Earth first. :P
Rush, as a scientist, is a little too focused on his own priorities to be totally helpful to the stranded people. This first situation may have played out in an - all things considered - acceptable way, but he could easily place others in harm's way for a variety of reasons. He's ethically gray. IMO, when you're a leader in a situation of that nature, that's largely a good thing. Sure, it'll get people killed and anger many others, but it will also get the job done. Hard decisions need to be made and hard people are the best to make those. The problem is that he'll likely place research above survival at some point. And that's all sorts of bad.
Rush, as a band, is still terrible. The noise they create hurts my brain in a way that tub girl couldn't even come close to replicating. Two girls one cup? A beautiful expression of art (since debunked by Snopes, IIRC) in comparison to the violent ear **** that is a Rush 'tune'. They may have sold albums, but the time during which they were most popular was also a time of major drug use in the age group that found them entertaining. And people are stupid. So, we can conclude that those numbers mean nothing. Life would be much better if we could go back in time and stick Rush on the plane with Buddy Holly, Ritchie Valens and the Big Bopper on February 3, 1959. Hell, as annoying a song as Chantilly Lace is, I'd be willing to suggest the ol' Bopster get off the plane to make room for Rush if it was a tight fit. Music, I'm sure, would thank me. -
Who do you think betrayed the base and forced the issue of the 9th chevron. I personally think it's Rush(mainly because he is the one benefited most and a bit because the stereotype), who do think did it?
I don't think it was Rush. I mean, they blew up the entire planet. Had his new side kick not miracled an answer at the last possible moment, he'd be dead and so would his research. That gate was the only known gate in the entire universe powerful enough to dial the ninth. He'd have been taking an insane risk trying to force the issue that way - considering he was in no way certain he'd be able to make it work. If they end up coming out and revealing that it was him, I'll be incredibly disappointed. Cuz that's just terrible writing.
Not if he gave them want they wanted then betrayed him. It has only been one episode though so I will likely form other opinions later.
I just can't see the point in asking someone to attack you to press the issue. 'Specially considering that he couldn't know when he'd be ready and that he was only able to stop the dialing of Earth and dial the ninth because the Col was otherwise occupied saving the Senator or whatever. I mean, that's relying upon some serious coincidences. What scientist does that? I mean, I wouldn't be terribly surprised if that's what they eventually say, but it's stupid, IMO. And it would disappoint me.
The other possibility is that it's never adressed. They may just 'forget' about the whole thing. Ugh. It bothers me that Rush is the most likely informant. Wait a sec ... what about the IOA or whatever? They do crap like that. I mean, who'd want the US to have the first shot at whatever potential riches the ninth chevron may have held? Yeah, I like that much better than the Rush thing. Cuz it makes sense.
I never said I would like it either, though if he did betray everybody the betrayal issue will(likely) be ignored untill they can't get rid of him. Then it will be discovered just to create tension.
Yeah. I so hope that's not how they do it.
What do you think about my IOA theory? Sound plausible? I agree that Rush is a suspect but I think the IOA should be one as well. Maybe Rush is an attempt at misdirection?
Um, killing a few or killing a whole base to possibly a whole planet? I don't know about you guys but I'l like to have a place to come home to so I'm not sure I'd risk the jump to earth. But if ya want to talk ethics and about saving people to me during the gate dialing Rush seemed to be the most reasonable and ethical one of the bunch. His reason for not dialing earth was that the other side could be destroyed by the soon to be exploding planet on their end. Everyone else didn't seem to care about the safety of those on earth and just wanted through. sounds a bit selfish to me. To me Rush seemed to be thinking about the well being of everyone at SGC and earth were everyone was thinking about themselves and getting home. And when they get to the ship everyone complains to him about getting the gate operational ASAP where he's thinking um, first we need to make sure it can work and that we have enough power, make sure vital systems are working and that we have supplies if we need them etc etc. To me he's seemed the most reasonable and at least seems to be thinking about the well being of others. everybody else just seem to be thinking "dial earth ya scumbag." Sure he's being a jerk but at least he's been thinking about others and about survivability. Everyone else has just been thinking about the gate so that they can get themselves through the gate.
First of all this is in the Off-Topic Tavern don't worry about getting off topic. Second even if he was insulting you(which I doubt, it seems like he just trying to lighten the mood) it is still valid advice.
It's the OTT which means this is the forum for topics that don't fit into the different subject headings for the rest of the forums. This is not a forum for which every thread is to be derailed. The forum is for non-D&D related stuff but that doesn't mean that it gives people the right to derail or spam threads with off-topic stuff. It's even CoC violation in the OTT.
If he wasn't insulting me then it really did seem that I was being talked down to which is quite demeaning. Such advice isn't friendly peer advice but 'I'm better than you' snobbish advice. Not the kind of advice I'm willing to take. So whether he meant it or not his tone did get quite rude in my eyes.
The only thing that bugs me is why were oxygen scrubbers being used on a ship that was unmanned?
Why did it have an atmosphere if there was no one there to breathe it?
And, if there is no one there to breathe the uneeded atmosphere, what the hell are scrubbers scrubbing out of it?
The only reason I can think of for it to have an atmosphere is that it would have been needed during it's contruction, but that doesn't explain the scrubbers being so gunked up scrubbing an atmosphere that no one was breathing for thousands of years.
Other than that, I found the show quite enjoyable a filled with potential.
The only thing that bugs me is why were oxygen scrubbers being used on a ship that was unmanned?
Why did it have an atmosphere if there was no one there to breathe it?
And, if there is no one there to breathe the uneeded atmosphere, what the hell are scrubbers scrubbing out of it?
The only reason I can think of for it to have an atmosphere is that it would have been needed during it's contruction, but that doesn't explain the scrubbers being so gunked up scrubbing an atmosphere that no one was breathing for thousands of years.
Other than that, I found the show quite enjoyable a filled with potential.
This is easy there are microscopic particles in space, which got in though the hole in the ship's hull most likely that gunk in the scrubbers has been there for millions of years.
The only thing that bugs me is why were oxygen scrubbers being used on a ship that was unmanned?Why did it have an atmosphere if there was no one there to breathe it?
And, if there is no one there to breathe the uneeded atmosphere, what the hell are scrubbers scrubbing out of it?
The only reason I can think of for it to have an atmosphere is that it would have been needed during it's contruction, but that doesn't explain the scrubbers being so gunked up scrubbing an atmosphere that no one was breathing for thousands of years.
This is a good question. The reason they're there is cuz Rush thinks that once it completed it's mission that the ancients might gate to it and then man the ship at its destination. Of course this does mean that it doesn't need to be running the whole time. The other thing I can think of is that it turned on part way through the trip. The ship is beat up so systems are likely malfunctioning and have been for a while.
Heck the ancients could have gated to it every once in a while for a check up and gather info but then left the system on cuz we all make mistakes but IIRC the show had mentioned that the ancients hadn't contacted or gone to the ship since it was sent out.
My bet would be that it did have some stoways on it at one point or malfunctioning parts. If it ain't one of those then it's just bad writing.
It had an atmosphere because at the time it was built it was fully intended to become manned at some future point. The guess is that the Ancients ascended before they were going to gate aboard leaving it unmanned until these people gated to it. It was set up to be fully habitable for that day when they decided to gate aboard and check its progress. They said as much during the program.
EDIT: Why would it be 'off' when the Ancients were not aboard? They have to get on the sucker at some point and it would be a damn sight easier if there was some oxygen there to greet them. Otherwise they'd need a portable supply to use until that giant ass ship filled itself up with breathable air. They left it on because it needed to be on.
The ancients though could have just got in contact with the ship's systems and turned on the all the life support systems days or hours before gating to it. This way they don't need to be running everything at full capacity all the time. That is unless they had no way of contacting it in which case they'd want this stuff running aheayd of time. But if they had no way of contacting the ship then they probably wouldn't be able to gate to it seeing as how using a gate is one possible way of quickly getting in contact with the ship.
This might all be explained later on in the show though.
So some remote activation through the gate? Possible. I happen to think that it's more of the ship being really ****in' old. It's lasted longer than the Ancients had ever intended it to and the mess with the scrubbers and the obvious damage is the visual representation of this fact. So is how far away it is from its point of origin. It's just older than it was ever meant to be. 'Course that's just my thoughts on the subject and we'll obviously need to wait and see how it's addressed. Either way makes sense. I feel the 'ship is hella old' idea better fits the darker, bleaker outlook of SG:U. Of course I do, though. It's what I came up with. :D
EDIT: What's even more likely is that we're horribly overanalyzing the whole air situation. There's some merit to it as it's become a point of focus for at least the first episode, but we're getting kind of deep into stuff that likely doesn't matter. That, however, is the point - and the sign of a good sci-fi show.
Well "the ship is hella old" was the reason given in the show. That the ancients accended before they got around to manning the ship. We might just be left with that for a while.
Yeah. It's a quick and easy plot maker, too. Old ship is old. Old ship needs junk to keep working. Old ship says stop here and find junk to fix it before old ship has to continue research. Etc.
I think the best course of action after getting the air workin' again would be to figure out how to steer that monster. Point it back where home is and worry about speeding it up or whatever later. You can always stop at places on the way back looking for the stuff needed to get home. We'll see what they do. I'm gonna guess that it'll take them a long time to get it under their control for whatever reason. That or they'll be able to control it but will choose to press forward searching for a solution further away from home.
With the vast distance it is from home if they find a faster reasonable way home then the direction they travel now wont matter cuz you're talking about cutting a trip that is several thousand or whatever time they said on the show down to days or months. They might as well leave it on auto pilote until they can repair it some and find a faster way of travel. My guess is that they will be their best option is to gate travle but they either wont have to power to travle to the milky way or there won't be a 9th chevron gate for them to gate to or some junk.
Yeah, that's probably the best bet and likely what they'll do. Being that far away, it doesn't really matter which way you go. I wonder if they could gate hop if they happened upon the addresses of planets from where they are to home or close to it. Probably not.
(Did you see my post in WDYWTTA? I found the html to make a link open in a new window.)
Sure they could gate hop but then they'd be gating from galaxy to galaxy and we saw how difficult that was with Atlantis. It is likely not an option. Their best course of action would be to develope a space colony until they can find their way home.
Yep. Sit tight 'till a solution can be found. Flying around all willy-nilly on a falling apart space ship isn't really a great idea. Though they could luck themselves into finding an advanced friendly that would help.
They should be working on ways to get back home but should also assume that the worst could happen and they not find any such way. Basically prep to live on the ship the rest of their lives and so get ready to start a space colony. They could then devote their time to traveling, plotting star systems out, finding new species, new tech and so on and so forth. They could also could be space pirates. YARRRR. 
That would be sweet. I wonder how many drones that sucker's got on it. :D
If it follows the pattern of the other shows the answer is:
A. None. New misssion! Find some!
B. A lot, but the ship won't let you use them. New mission! Find a way!
Either option leads to:
C. Yaaah! We found/unlocked the weapons! Now we must completely deplete our entire supply in battle. Go back to A or B and start over.
About the mission timer: Other than the obvious answer of Plot Device, do you think there will be a reasonable explanation for it? Is the ship on a timetable? Is the AI damaged? Or just a jerk? Is there something chasing the ship, so the AI limits the delay to keep ahead of it/them?
And another thing: When the ancient communication devices are used, don't they cause the users intelligences to switch places? Shouldn't the scientist from SGC have had the opportunity to wander around Destiny?
And still another thing: Is naming the ship Destiny a bit of foreshadowing on the part of the Ancients? Their "destiny" was to ascend. Is it possible that the entire purpose of sending the ship as far away from their home galaxy(ies) somehow related to a possible path to ascension? If you just want to explore, then a spiral pattern wold make more sense. Maybe they're trying to reach the edge of the Universe? Might also explain the time limit on "Away Missions."
Rush explained his actions with what I feel is a reasonable response to the situation at hand. If he had dialed Earth, he risked a portion or all of the energy from the about to explode planet being transferred through the gate with them - we've seen that this is possible in episodes of SG1 and Atlantis, most notably the Black Hole episode of SG1. Had he dialed Earth, he may have killed not only everyone that was evacuating but also likely everyone in the SGC and then some. Not the best call. The ninth chevron was a risk, but it was a risk to a much smaller number of people. Therefore, we can conclude that, though Rush may have acted selfishly, he also acted ethically by making the correct choice after considering the risk against the number of people involved in both scenarios.
They even bothered to mention on the show that a off-world site could be dialed to be evaced to. Therefor this whole point is irrelevant.
The only thing that bugs me is why were oxygen scrubbers being used on a ship that was unmanned?Why did it have an atmosphere if there was no one there to breathe it?
The ancients where planning to gate to the ship at some point.
If you watch the the first scenes it shows the ship powering up. Life support was likely one the functions that came on line then.
And, if there is no one there to breathe the uneeded atmosphere, what the hell are scrubbers scrubbing out of it?
The "magic substance" that the ancients used in them where a few million years past the expiration date, but it is likely that they where not used sense the launch.
About the mission timer: Other than the obvious answer of Plot Device, do you think there will be a reasonable explanation for it? Is the ship on a timetable? Is the AI damaged? Or just a jerk? Is there something chasing the ship, so the AI limits the delay to keep ahead of it/them?
I think it'll likely be simply a method of keeping the ship moving forward with its mission. I do like the thought of something chasing it, though. I don't know why anything would be, but it would be kinda cool. Overall, it's plot device.
And another thing: When the ancient communication devices are used, don't they cause the users intelligences to switch places? Shouldn't the scientist from SGC have had the opportunity to wander around Destiny?
Did they ever actually show the second person wandering around? I don't recall.
And still another thing: Is naming the ship Destiny a bit of foreshadowing on the part of the Ancients? Their "destiny" was to ascend. Is it possible that the entire purpose of sending the ship as far away from their home galaxy(ies) somehow related to a possible path to ascension? If you just want to explore, then a spiral pattern wold make more sense. Maybe they're trying to reach the edge of the Universe? Might also explain the time limit on "Away Missions."
Sounds plausible. It could, however, simply have been named in expectation. In other words, they expected it to discover great things - its destiny. It's likely it's just been named that for the show. I'm sure there's some 'reason' behind it, but the major one is because it fits the plot.
They even bothered to mention on the show that a off-world site could be dialed to be evaced to. Therefor this whole point is irrelevant.
Not totally, no. They weren't dialing an off-world site at the time - they were dialing Earth. It was also never stated whether or not any of these off-world sites were on uninhabited planets or not once again leaving the possibility that a larger loss of life could have occurred. They had time to dial one address. They did. His choice could have endangered the lives of whoever may have been on the other end, yes. But, unlike Earth and possibly the other locations, this was an unknown. They knew there were people on Earth. They knew whether or not people were on whatever planets their back up gates were on. That, unfortunately, was never explained (at least, IIRC - if it is known that one of those locations was an uninhabited floating rock, that's where they should have dialed in the first place - not Earth).
I think it'll likely be simply a method of keeping the ship moving forward with its mission. I do like the thought of something chasing it, though. I don't know why anything would be, but it would be kinda cool. Overall, it's plot device.
Well, they did mention battle damage on Destiny, altho it's just as likely to be from ancient battles with no effect on the current story. I read somewhere that there isn't going to be a main villainous race like the Gho'auould (?) or the Wraith. Of course, if the ancients could build a fully automated super ship, then some baddies could build a fully automated one as well, one with orders to follow and destroy/capture destiny. Would be kinda cool. Maybe some cryogenically preserved marines.
Did they ever actually show the second person wandering around? I don't recall.
No. They never actually showed Rush doing anything back at the SGC, either. Just a quick shot of him in a mirror. Those communicators are a convenient way for the refugees to get access to skills they don't have in their group. Need a doctor? Swap consciousness with one. Also a good way to work in guest stars. I wonder what happens if the body you're in dies while you're using a communicator? Does the current inhabitant die? Or get bounced back to his/her original body?
Sounds plausible. It could, however, simply have been named in expectation. In other words, they expected it to discover great things - its destiny. It's likely it's just been named that for the show. I'm sure there's some 'reason' behind it, but the major one is because it fits the plot.
I think Rush knows or at least suspects more than he's saying. I don't buy his "I'm just trying to expand human knowledge" line. I think he wants something very specific, and he thinks the 9th chevron will lead him to it. If the woman in the picture he was gazing at is the dead love of his life, then that's probably it. He's looking for a way to bring her back/ be with her. Maybe through ascension. Kinda hackneyed, I know, but it fits the "tortured" nature of his character.
Well, they did mention battle damage on Destiny, altho it's just as likely to be from ancient battles with no effect on the current story. I read somewhere that there isn't going to be a main villainous race like the Gho'auould (?) or the Wraith. Of course, if the ancients could build a fully automated super ship, then some baddies could build a fully automated one as well, one with orders to follow and destroy/capture destiny. Would be kinda cool. Maybe some cryogenically preserved marines.
That's true. Considering the theory they're using now is that the ship was never inhabited, it very well could have been a defense mechanism. Interesting. And I do think it would be cool if whatever bad guys it is eventually catches up with them during one of their missions. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
No. They never actually showed Rush doing anything back at the SGC, either. Just a quick shot of him in a mirror. Those communicators are a convenient way for the refugees to get access to skills they don't have in their group. Need a doctor? Swap consciousness with one. Also a good way to work in guest stars. I wonder what happens if the body you're in dies while you're using a communicator? Does the current inhabitant die? Or get bounced back to his/her original body?
I meant did they ever show the second person in any of the older SG episodes where the device was used. I honestly can't recall. And I swear they addressed it or at least some possibilities, but I can't for the life of me remember what's supposed to happen if one of the people dies.
I don't think Rush even went to the SG to talk to anyone. He chose a scientist (if you can choose?) to inhabit during that scene. I feel it's likely that he was looking for something he no longer had access to.
I think Rush knows or at least suspects more than he's saying. I don't buy his "I'm just trying to expand human knowledge" line. I think he wants something very specific, and he thinks the 9th chevron will lead him to it. If the woman in the picture he was gazing at is the dead love of his life, then that's probably it. He's looking for a way to bring her back/ be with her. Maybe through ascension. Kinda hackneyed, I know, but it fits the "tortured" nature of his character.
I hope that's not it. They already did that plot with one episode of SG1 (the time loop dealy) and Jackson was after his wife for what seemed like an eternity. There's got to be more motivation than chasing after a lost woman, you know? Still, it's a very likely possibility. He certainly knows more than he's letting on, though. I don't doubt that for a second.
I loved that time loop episode! I still crack up when I see that scene with O'Neil hitting the golf ball through the star gate.
"That's gotta be a record." Heeheeheehee.
Not that the whole groundhog day thing isn't an overused trope, of course. But I really liked the way they played it.
Yeah, man. That episode so pwnt. One of my all time favs. I typically hate that sort of thing, but they absolutely nailed it. And that golf ball part is the best. Great stuff, that. :D
I wonder what happens if the body you're in dies while you're using a communicator? Does the current inhabitant die? Or get bounced back to his/her original body?
I can only think of one episode in SG-1 that addresses that issue. Don't know the name off hand, but its the one where Daniel and Vala go to the Ori world using the same device. Their alternate bodies were eventually killed and their consciouness went back to their original bodies, if I remember correctly (it's been a while since I've seen it).
Yep. Sit tight 'till a solution can be found. Flying around all willy-nilly on a falling apart space ship isn't really a great idea. Though they could luck themselves into finding an advanced friendly that would help.
Lets be honest, that has happened once in all of SG; the Asgard. And even then the species was near extinction before they were willing to part with the bulk of their tech.
Lets go down the list of advanced species:
Goa'uld - duh
Tok'ra - alliance was formed, but because the Tok'ra were getting the **** knocked out of them against the Goa'uld. Less for the benefit of humans, with the exception of the information provided to the humans
Wraith - 'nother duh
Ancients - the whole non-interference has been huge plot-points; they do their best to give not-help to other species
Replicators - 'nother race bent on the destruction of mankind, but this time they're robots
Ori - evil Ancients
Asgard - the first group met were all friendly and benevolent but reactive, not proactive against enemies, at first at least; eventually they did throw up the 'Go Earth!' banners; the 'Lost Tribe' were not as much, complete d***s really
Jaffa - servants of the Goa'uld
So what can make anyone think there are 'benevolent advanced species' in any galaxy in the SG universe?
Well, I watched the first episode On-Demand last night and it seems interesting. It'll be very different from the first two.
We have no continuous contact with home, but we do have the Ancient crystals. With the journey taking them from place to place, we have the potential for both one-shot episodes where after it's over, we never see the planet again and big plot episodes governing the whole of the series. And there's enough left up in the air that we can't tell the outcome (they might be on that big ship for all of the first season and then every season thereafter takes place at the ship's destination).
Two things jumped out at me, though.
1.) Why could they not use a Keno (sp?) to lock the leak? Remote control pilot it into the room, have it hover down to press the "close door" button, and leave it to asphixiate (assuming flying camera droids don't require air to function). I figured that out maybe a minute before we see the Senator give his life.
2.) When I saw the end of the episode and Eli volunteered to go planetside, my first thought was this: Did Eli just become the new Wesley?
Before that point, everything he did to contribute, it was conceivable that he had the means to contribute it anyway. But at that point, it seemed like he was running off of nothing more than "plucky, new guy, main character" juice. I'm kind of hoping he messes up big time soon, just to subvert the trope.
Lets be honest, that has happened once in all of SG; the Asgard. And even then the species was near extinction before they were willing to part with the bulk of their tech.
So what can make anyone think there are 'benevolent advanced species' in any galaxy in the SG universe?
Relax, buddy. I said 'luck into' for a reason. It's not like I called it a sure bet. For what it's worth, you did forget the Tolen. Not exactly friend of the year material, but a race like them would likely help you get home.
Good lord. Here I am in the OTT - a resident even - and now I feel like I'm in 4e General or something. Forgive me for just tossing out a random thought about a gawddamned TV show. It won't happen again. People take this crap waaaaaay too ****ing seriously.
1.) Why could they not use a Keno (sp?) to lock the leak? Remote control pilot it into the room, have it hover down to press the "close door" button, and leave it to asphixiate (assuming flying camera droids don't require air to function). I figured that out maybe a minute before we see the Senator give his life.
That's a good question and one I asked myself. The main reason is likely to get rid of that a-hole Senator character. :P Actually, there's likely a real and simple explanation. Most of the interfaces used to navigate through Ancent-tech menus and the like are touch. It could be that an actual living being needs to do the touching. Maybe. Think about it like this, a Keno (no idea on the spelling either :P) couldn't operate my Smart Phone. It's just a ball that you couldn't get precise enough targeting out of. If there was a simple 'close door' button, though, it would have done the job. I don't think that's how Ancient-tech works, though.
It's also key to remember that the Senator was dead anyway and no one was thinking totally clearly at the time. If I was on the way out and knew it, I'd likely make that sacrifice, too. There wasn't any real point preventing the Senator from doing it. He was already dead.
teehee, zombie senator.
Okay, I havn't seen the show. Question:
They got to the exploding planet through a stargate on a planet, yes?
There is a stargate on the ship that can take them to and from planets, yes?
Do they have some reason to belive that none of the planets they can dial from their ship-gate can take them home?
If they need a certain kind of gate, would that kind of gate be easily distinguished by sight?
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Anyhoo, they can't gate home from the ship because it would take too much power. They cannot gate from any nearby planet because they are further away from Earth than even Pegasus. As far as they know, the only gate capable of producing the required energy (besides the one on the rapidly dying ship) was blown to bits. They've only ever found the one and, as the ship has moved far past its point of origin and the point in the universe where that gate was, it's highly unlikely that they'll encounter a gate of that nature where they are.
Then how did they get to the super strong gate on the planet-bomb?
(And how would I learn to diver? Lessons are exspensive and time consuming.)
Ask your television provider for a manual?
The gate on the planet was the only one found attached to a power source capable of dialing the ninth chevron. I guess they think it may have been on Earth originally or something (cuz that was the PoO they used to dial successfully) but if it was moved, it's likely the Ancients did it.
EDIT: Read the question wrong. I am a dummy. They gated there from Earth I guess. It was probably in that directory they had. The ship is hella far away from that planet - hence the need for Max Power to get to it.
Relax, buddy. I said 'luck into' for a reason. It's not like I called it a sure bet. For what it's worth, you did forget the Tolen. Not exactly friend of the year material, but a race like them would likely help you get home.
Good lord. Here I am in the OTT - a resident even - and now I feel like I'm in 4e General or something. Forgive me for just tossing out a random thought about a gawddamned TV show. It won't happen again. People take this crap waaaaaay too ****ing seriously.
Whoooooo, did not mean for that to come out harsh. I was just going down the list to prove that every race in the universe is either friendly simple farmers or evil space monsters. Or even evil simple farmers. I was just reiterating the fact that SG writers love to prove that the entire concept of Stargate, traveling to other worlds, is a terriable idea because your gonna die in gruesome and inventive ways. Unless your face is in the opening credits, then it's more like a 50/50 shot.
Edit: A few things from the episode that may clean up some confusion.
- The gate on the exploding planet was designed to only dial out, which is why they had 'just' discovered it, even though it was in the database.
- Any Stargate could attempt to dial a 8 or 9 chevron gate address, but the power requirements are high for just 8, requiring a ZPD, and 9 symbols requires a planet's worth of power.
- In order to make a a Stargate work, you need a point of origin, moving FTL will rapidly change your point of origin. The Milky Way and Pegasis gates also had different # of symbols, implying you need a basic 'alphabet' to work off of, which changes from galaxy to galaxy. The autimate computer on the Destiny would likely do this automatically.
3 options I guess:
1) Both gates need to be powerfull enough to make the connection
2) The dialing gate needs to be powerfull enough to make the connection
3) The recieving gate needs to be powerfull enough to make the connection
If "Dialing the 9th chevron" is requiered to travel from that planet to earth, and that is the first gate they have ever seen that is capable of "Dialing the 9th chevron" how did they get to it?
Whoooooo, did not mean for that to come out harsh. I was just going down the list to prove that every race in the universe is either friendly simple farmers or evil space monsters. Or even evil simple farmers. I was just reiterating the fact that SG writers love to prove that the entire concept of Stargate, traveling to other worlds, is a terriable idea because your gonna die in gruesome and inventive ways. Unless your face is in the opening credits, then it's more like a 50/50 shot.
Meh. I was bein' dramatic. Wait 'till the guys from my Improv class here about ... ok, I'll stop being a jackhole now. :P I totally agree with your post. It would be one scary ass job that was almost completely unrewarding. And who wants to travel light years to get to New York every episode anyway. :P
3 options I guess:
1) Both gates need to be powerfull enough to make the connection
Not sure.
2) The dialing gate needs to be powerfull enough to make the connection
Yes.
3) The recieving gate needs to be powerfull enough to make the connection
Not sure.
If "Dialing the 9th chevron" is requiered to travel from that planet to earth, and that is the first gate they have ever seen that is capable of "Dialing the 9th chevron" how did they get to it?
It's not. It's required to make it to the ship. They didn't know it was a ship, but that's what you need the ninth for. To get back to Earth, it may be needed, too, since they're now so far away.
They got to the planet it was on much the same as any other. That gate was used to dial out and that's what the ninth was needed for. Getting there is (er ... was) easy.
If "Dialing the 9th chevron" is requiered to travel from that planet to earth, and that is the first gate they have ever seen that is capable of "Dialing the 9th chevron" how did they get to it?
They took the the Hammond to the planet with the "9th Chevron Gate".
They took the the Hammond to the planet with the "9th Chevron Gate".
Well, like they said in the beginning, every stargate has 9 Chevron spots. Which is kinda weird, that since the beginning of the series, they made this circle with 9 locks on it, and for years they only required 7 keys to open it. It would be kinda weird if they actually planned this out 12 years ago.
Oh, and have to post my favorite SG quote, with all this gate talk:
Kind of a ring thing, comes with a dialer, you hit the symbols, it spins around and lights come on, it kind of flushes sideways...
Ah, so the planet isn;t super far from earth, they just decided to go to some unknown location that inded up being super far from earth. Kind of fail, that.
It wasn't that they randomly decided to go to this planet, more like 'Hey, there is this mysterious place in the Ancient's database, all shrouded in mystery and stuff.' and the other guy was like 'We went to a mysterious shrouded mystery place last week, this week we have to stop another invasion of Earth and stuff.' Heck, how many wars do they fight a season? I'd put off 'Planet X' for a few weeks if every time I visited someplace new aliens tried to kill me.
But probably not if those aliens were hell-bent on eating everyone everywhere(Wraith) or enslaving everyone everywhere(Goa'uld). So really it boils down to fight now(when we could have an advantage) or fight later(when we have no chance) which would have been hopeless either way except that we keep learning from our enemies(with minimal threat to earth).
They took the the Hammond to the planet with the "9th Chevron Gate".
When I first read this I thought, "No, General Hammond wasn't in that episode...."
And I think that should be, "...the former planet, current asteroid field...."
@Amphibian. It's the sending gate that needs the power. The receiving gate just...receives.
And does anyone know who attacked the planet in the first place? The something league? Is that the smugglers with the Go'auld ships? The thieve's guild of the milky way? Weren't they selling addictive vegetables or something?
The amount of speculation and bad-guesswork and wrong facts in this thread astound me.
I liked it though not as much as SG-1 and SGA. I do hope they don't keep doing the flashbacks like in DG (Defying Gravity), that would get old fast as it did in Lost and DG.
Hopefully it will be more like STV (Star Trek: Voyager) than BSG.
I think it has potential, but they need to do it right.
I'm wondering how lucky they had to be to dial right when the ship had stopped at that precise moment. Since from the other series we've seen you can't dial while going FTL.
The air problem is simply a plot device to keep everyone from killing Rush.
Did they ever actually show the second person wandering around? I don't recall.
The person using the device goes into an unconscious state while their consciousness goes to the person being controlled or whatever.
Okay, I havn't seen the show. Question:They got to the exploding planet through a stargate on a planet, yes?
There is a stargate on the ship that can take them to and from planets, yes?
Do they have some reason to belive that none of the planets they can dial from their ship-gate can take them home?
If they need a certain kind of gate, would that kind of gate be easily distinguished by sight
I believe so yes.
yes, I think sooooo.
Yes, these planets most likely just have normal stargates and normal powersources found in normal stargates and so doesn't have the power required to connect with a milkyway stargate. Of course in episode two they will be traveling to one of these planets for the first time.
3 options I guess:1) Both gates need to be powerfull enough to make the connection
2) The dialing gate needs to be powerfull enough to make the connection
3) The recieving gate needs to be powerfull enough to make the connection
I think only the dialling gate need be strong enough and not the recieving gate. I think the 9th chevron gate could be dialed from outside but could not dial out to just anything because the numbers that it can dial out to have already been fixed.
I've talked with my dad some abou this. Now they found out that there were several unmanned missions to these areas and that the first ones built the stargates out in other galaxies. If these ships were meant to be manned at some point and the facility of the 9th chevron had many unknown gate adresses, of which one connected with one of these long distance exploration ships, that this 9th chevron gate can only gate to these ships. The 9th chevron must have been made to be able to gate out to distant galaxies or to these ships in distant galaxies. If Rush had access to these addresses ahead of time and the data bank they came from then he might have known of what to expect was on the other side. Of course he might have been expecting something more like an abandoned atlantis or something. If ya watch the show again you'll notice that he, unlike everyone else, walks through the gate calmly. He gets up on the other side like he sorta expected what he saw. He was not surprised during this scene. He almost seemed glad. My guess is that he might have known what might be on the other side of the gate. My guess is that he probably knew it was far away too, for out of everyone he for one might have had a few ideas as to why the 9th chevron was needed.
Well, like they said in the beginning, every stargate has 9 Chevron spots. Which is kinda weird, that since the beginning of the series, they made this circle with 9 locks on it, and for years they only required 7 keys to open it. It would be kinda weird if they actually planned this out 12 years ago.
Probably they went with 9 locks because it is an easy number to use for a design. Later on though they probably felt they could add in a couple more chevron spots for plot devices.
I'm wondering how lucky they had to be to dial right when the ship had stopped at that precise moment. Since from the other series we've seen you can't dial while going FTL.
Yeah, but I'm thinking something preprogrammed rather than luck. The ship entered hyper space once the gate closed. My guess is that once the ship was dialed it dropped out of hyper space and then jumped back in once the gate closed. probably something preset but they ancients so that they could dial it whenever they needed to.
TV Tropes already has a nice page on this: Stargate Universe
They even bothered to mention on the show that a off-world site could be dialed to be evaced to. Therefor this whole point is irrelevant.
Not totally, no. [snip]
Good Points.
I would like to point out that the planet did blow up as the gate was open.
That last person got shot across the room and the gate shot out sparks.
It could a safety feature unique to that gate.
Yep. Sit tight 'till a solution can be found. Flying around all willy-nilly on a falling apart space ship isn't really a great idea. Though they could luck themselves into finding an advanced friendly that would help.
Lets be honest, that has happened once in all of SG; the Asgard. And even then the species was near extinction before they were willing to part with the bulk of their tech.[snip]
So what can make anyone think there are 'benevolent advanced species' in any galaxy in the SG universe?
The nox are another friendly race and the furlongs where mentioned as never found.
Also they found a group of humans that shared anaqitia (Sp) generator tech.
It can happen, but is unlikely.
Then how did they get to the super strong gate on the planet-bomb?
The planet had a radioactive core that was used to power the gate.
basically it was used as a giant power generator.