Shiny Candy is really just crushed up bugs!

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#1

lokiare

Jun 05, 2011 1:40:40
While watching Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution I found out that the stuff that makes candy shiny is crushed up beetles. Also human hair is used to keep ice-cream 'doughy'.

The more I learn about what goes into our food the less I want to eat the nasty processed foods that are available...
#2

capitan_estaban

Jun 05, 2011 2:07:31
Duck feathers, yum.
#3

ADHadh

Jun 05, 2011 3:04:42
Only available in the US.

Also, gummy bears are not vegetarian food, but that's probably common knowledge.
#4

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 05, 2011 8:31:15
I'm just pleased to have ready access to a lot of food, whenever I want it.
A lot of people around the world don't have it that way...
#5

Maxperson

Jun 05, 2011 10:16:46
While watching Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution I found out that the stuff that makes candy shiny is crushed up beetles. Also human hair is used to keep ice-cream 'doughy'.

The more I learn about what goes into our food the less I want to eat the nasty processed foods that are available...



I would think that you would be happy that they are including protein in candy.  It makes it more healthy.
#6

Cpt_Micha

Jun 05, 2011 11:58:57
  I love my jolly ranchers.

What's an immune system for any way loki.
#7

EscherEnigma

Jun 05, 2011 12:45:19
Don't forget, it's the spider eggs that make the bubblegum gooey.
#8

lokiare

Jun 05, 2011 13:00:41
Don't forget, it's the spider eggs that make the bubblegum gooey.



Really? gah...

Well I just went cold turky on processed candy and icecream and gum...
#9

EscherEnigma

Jun 05, 2011 13:06:31
Really? gah...


[No].
#10

ADHadh

Jun 05, 2011 13:26:21
Don't forget, it's the spider eggs that make the bubblegum gooey.



Really? gah...

Well I just went cold turky on processed candy and icecream and gum...


On that note: what does "cold turkey" exactly mean? Help the idiomatically challenged poster out...
#11

EscherEnigma

Jun 05, 2011 13:33:49
On that note: what does "cold turkey" exactly mean? Help the idiomatically challenged poster out...


To quit something cold turkey is to quit it all at once.  No weaning off, no slowly decreasing doses.  One day you smoke three packs a day, the next you toss out all your cigarettes and lighters and never touch one again.

Depending on just what is being quit, it can go really poorly.

#12

ADHadh

Jun 05, 2011 14:04:40
On that note: what does "cold turkey" exactly mean? Help the idiomatically challenged poster out...


To quit something cold turkey is to quit it all at once.  No weaning off, no slowly decreasing doses.  One day you smoke three packs a day, the next you toss out all your cigarettes and lighters and never touch one again.

Depending on just what is being quit, it can go really poorly.



Funny, I thought it meant the exact opposite – quit, but not all at once, be easy on yourself, etc.
#13

Maxperson

Jun 05, 2011 14:11:56
On that note: what does "cold turkey" exactly mean? Help the idiomatically challenged poster out...


To quit something cold turkey is to quit it all at once.  No weaning off, no slowly decreasing doses.  One day you smoke three packs a day, the next you toss out all your cigarettes and lighters and never touch one again.

Depending on just what is being quit, it can go really poorly.



Funny, I thought it meant the exact opposite – quit, but not all at once, be easy on yourself, etc.



Nope.  EE is right.  It means to just stop suddenly.
#14

lokiare

Jun 05, 2011 15:09:50
Even though the spider eggs thing is false. The others are true. Here's a vegan website that cites evidence that human hair and duck feathers are used not only in ice cream but in all kinds of stuff.

The beetles are used in almost everything that uses red dye.

I know they use sawdust in shredded cheese and beef jerky. They call it Cellulose...

I wonder what else they put in our food? I know they put rat poison in drinking water and processed meats.

Anyone know what else we are eating?
#15

EscherEnigma

Jun 05, 2011 15:22:02
Nope.  And I don't really care, either.  Food, as a rule, is pretty gross.  Think about some of the staples of a healthy diet... eggs?  Completetly gross.  Any sort of meat?  Ick!  Just about any vegetable or fruit means you're eating some amount of bug-bits, bread uses yeast farts to rise, anything fermented is pretty vile...

Face it.  Food is disgusting. 
#16

ADHadh

Jun 05, 2011 15:31:05
Nope.  And I don't really care, either.  Food, as a rule, is pretty gross.  Think about some of the staples of a healthy diet... eggs?  Completetly gross.  Any sort of meat?  Ick!  Just about any vegetable or fruit means you're eating some amount of bug-bits, bread uses yeast farts to rise, anything fermented is pretty vile...

Face it.  Food is disgusting. 


That's probably what lets us eat it. We tend to frown upon eating cute things if there is an alternative after all.
#17

bone_naga

Jun 05, 2011 15:44:38
I'm happy remaining ignorant of what exactly is in my food. It's still healthy and tasty, worrying about how many crushed bugs went into the candy just seems pointless. Interesting and fun to point out to other people, but still ultimately pointless. It's not like I'm going to stop eating food.
#18

pluisjen

Jun 05, 2011 15:52:07
I find it interesting to hear what's in my food, but it's not going to taste any different after I find out it contains crushed bugs or human hair or anything, so whatever. It's funny to see people cringe at that while you happily keep eating though.
#19

Cpt_Micha

Jun 05, 2011 16:06:15
See I'm someone that would eat cooked tarantula if offered to me. So yeah, it doesn't bother me.
#20

ADHadh

Jun 05, 2011 16:19:45
See I'm someone that would eat cooked tarantula if offered to me. So yeah, it doesn't bother me.


An acquaintance of mine described the taste as "greasy cardboard". He also said that he tried locust, which was even greasier.
#21

Cpt_Micha

Jun 05, 2011 16:24:33
So it would taste like Little Caesar's pizza.  Good to know!
#22

bone_naga

Jun 05, 2011 16:41:56
So it would taste like Little Caesar's pizza.  Good to know!


And knowing this would you still eat it? If so, you are a brave man.
#23

Cpt_Micha

Jun 05, 2011 19:39:53
Well it's bound to be less hazardous to my digestive tract, than Little Caesar's Pizza.....
#24

lokiare

Jun 05, 2011 19:45:42
So it would taste like Little Caesar's pizza.  Good to know!


And knowing this would you still eat it? If so, you are a brave man.



Its like one of those reality shows where they have to eat a plate of bugs...

"How's it taste?"

"Mmmm... tastes like red candy!"
#25

Cpt_Micha

Jun 05, 2011 19:50:48
quite unlikely that they would taste like red candy, you see, bugs do not contain various artificial and natural flavors, nor copious amounts of sugar.

Did you know Reese's Pieces contain Caranuba Wax? thats the same stuff you use to wax your car with.

mmmmm reeses pieces.....
#26

The-Mage-King

Jun 06, 2011 1:30:51
And the discussions in this thread are why I'm a vegitarian.
#27

pluisjen

Jun 06, 2011 4:06:22
You seriously think that vegetarian food is less gross? Unless you eat only hand-picked, biological and ecological fruits you're going to be consuming a lot of crap.

And unless your fruit farm is located far from civilisation and cars and sealed up really tight, you'll still be consuming a lot of crap, even when you are getting the really clean stuff. 
#28

boraxe

Jun 06, 2011 7:59:00
While watching Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution I found out that the stuff that makes candy shiny is crushed up beetles.


That "stuff" is called shelac, and it is not made from beetles but rather a resin secreted by beetles. Also, this has been known for decades.

Also human hair is used to keep ice-cream 'doughy'.


Proof or it's BS.
#29

lokiare

Jun 06, 2011 23:48:43
Even though the spider eggs thing is false. The others are true. Here's a vegan website that cites evidence that human hair and duck feathers are used not only in ice cream but in all kinds of stuff.

The beetles are used in almost everything that uses red dye.

I know they use sawdust in shredded cheese and beef jerky. They call it Cellulose...

I wonder what else they put in our food? I know they put rat poison in drinking water and processed meats.

Anyone know what else we are eating?



Check the first link Boraxe. Then search the page for 'human hair'
#30

toastedamphibian

Jun 06, 2011 23:56:58
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Whats wrong with cellulose? Most of the things we eat contain it or eat it themselves. It's kinda hard to chew, but aside from that, not seeing the problem.
#31

lokiare

Jun 07, 2011 0:05:45
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Whats wrong with cellulose? Most of the things we eat contain it or eat it themselves. It's kinda hard to chew, but aside from that, not seeing the problem.



Its sawdust...
#32

pluisjen

Jun 07, 2011 3:45:22
Trees are organic matter... like veggies.
#33

Cpt_Micha

Jun 07, 2011 7:40:11
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Whats wrong with cellulose? Most of the things we eat contain it or eat it themselves. It's kinda hard to chew, but aside from that, not seeing the problem.



Its sawdust...



Actually cellulose is found in more than sawdust. Its found in ALL plants. So basically you're complaining that something is made from plants.

You do see just how ridiculous your statement is right?
#34

boraxe

Jun 07, 2011 8:54:03
Check the first link Boraxe. Then search the page for 'human hair'


I did. You skipped the important key words "derived from" in your post.

Even that link confirms later that 80% of L-cysteine is derived from duck feathers and that industry is moving towards synthetic sources.

I know fearmongering is fun for some people but if you're going to cite sources you shouldn't use ones that disprove your own claims. Luckily the creators of that site seem more interested in facts than are you.
#35

boraxe

Jun 07, 2011 8:59:20
Actually cellulose is found in more than sawdust. Its found in ALL plants. So basically you're complaining that something is made from plants.

You do see just how ridiculous your statement is right?


Yes, but in this case the claim is accurate. The ingredient listed is "cellulose powder" and it is indeed basically just sawdust. It is used as a cheap bulk filler in less costly brands of grated Parmesan cheese.
#36

EscherEnigma

Jun 07, 2011 11:21:54
Its sawdust...


... so?  I'm pretty sure that I've eaten slightly cheesy cardboard at fast food places.  Saw dust is practically a step up.

#37

toastedamphibian

Jun 08, 2011 2:12:40
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Whats wrong with cellulose? Most of the things we eat contain it or eat it themselves. It's kinda hard to chew, but aside from that, not seeing the problem.



Its sawdust...



Whats wrong with sawdust? It is tree. How is that a problem, why are trees so repugnant to you? True, you cannot eat them in their natural form, you lack the neccessary hardware and digesting them is counter productive, but trying will not hurt you in any significant way (unless you try to do so with your natural hardware, in which case you might break it because you are not a moose, in all likelyhood.)
#38

Cpt_Micha

Jun 08, 2011 7:54:21
He could be a moose, afterall we are on a forum with a burnt frog, and a homicidal squirrel.
#39

EscherEnigma

Jun 08, 2011 12:00:00
... a moose, a burnt frog and a homicidal squirrel... that's it, clearly I'm in a Disney movie as directed by Tim Burton.
#40

ADHadh

Jun 08, 2011 12:31:17
Don't forget genocide plotting bio-robots or undead infants.
Or Goldy.
#41

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 08, 2011 12:51:37
... a moose, a burnt frog and a homicidal squirrel... that's it, clearly I'm in a Disney movie as directed by Tim Burton.


That is just horrible. I would never work with Tim Burton.
#42

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:03:36
Check the first link Boraxe. Then search the page for 'human hair'


I did. You skipped the important key words "derived from" in your post.

Even that link confirms later that 80% of L-cysteine is derived from duck feathers and that industry is moving towards synthetic sources.

I know fearmongering is fun for some people but if you're going to cite sources you shouldn't use ones that disprove your own claims. Luckily the creators of that site seem more interested in facts than are you.



Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...
#43

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:05:42
Check the first link Boraxe. Then search the page for 'human hair'


I did. You skipped the important key words "derived from" in your post.

Even that link confirms later that 80% of L-cysteine is derived from duck feathers and that industry is moving towards synthetic sources.

I know fearmongering is fun for some people but if you're going to cite sources you shouldn't use ones that disprove your own claims. Luckily the creators of that site seem more interested in facts than are you.



Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...



Fear mongering... that's rich... have you seen the news on TV lately, THAT's fear mongering...
#44

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 13:07:40
Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...


You know that sarcasm and charged language make your position look worse, not better, right?
#45

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:12:38
Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...


You know that sarcasm and charged language make your position look worse, not better, right?



Weird I thought I was just paraphrasing your post.. so that  you saw I was agreeing with you...I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...
#46

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 13:21:50
Fear mongering... that's rich... have you seen the news on TV lately, THAT's fear mongering...


Just cos someone else does something on a grander scale doesn't mean you're not doing it too. And once again your derision make you look bad, not the person to whom you're responding.
#47

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 13:25:03
Weird I thought I was just paraphrasing your post.. so that  you saw I was agreeing with you...I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...


No, it would be 100% L-cysteine derived (note the lack of sarcastic quotes) from duck feathers through a chemical reaction known as hydrolysis (note the lack of charged language such as "boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever").
#48

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:42:52
Weird I thought I was just paraphrasing your post.. so that  you saw I was agreeing with you...I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...


No, it would be 100% L-cysteine derived (note the lack of sarcastic quotes) from duck feathers through a chemical reaction known as hydrolysis (note the lack of charged language such as "boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever").



Some of it still comes from hair though so that would not be accurate. They are moving away from that...

Hydrolysis is fun. Your not only boiling it down, your adding acidic chemicals to help the process along... nice...
#49

EscherEnigma

Jun 08, 2011 13:51:55
Yeah, nasty acidic chemicals.  Who would want to eat/drink acidic chemicals?  Like orange and lemon juice.  Or Coca Cola.
#50

zammm

Jun 08, 2011 14:02:01
Really, who cares where the food's ingredients came from as long as the end result is tasty-good and its genesis isn't immoral or harmful to the environment or something? For heaven's sakes, we've been growing food in soil for millenia. Soil! Do you know what soil is? And we use manure as fertilizer!
#51

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 14:05:01
Some of it still comes from hair though so that would not be accurate. They are moving away from that...


You are the one who said "I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...". The arbitrary number was yours, not mine. I was simply refuting your incorrect conclusion.

Hydrolysis is fun. Your not only boiling it down, your adding acidic chemicals to help the process along... nice...


Assuming you read that link once, you might want to do so again.
#52

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 14:12:51
Really, who cares where the food's ingredients came from as long as the end result is tasty-good and its genesis isn't immoral or harmful to the environment or something? For heaven's sakes, we've been growing food in soil for millenia. Soil! Do you know what soil is? And we use manure as fertilizer!


Who wants to know where Jell-O comes from and why you can't take a tour of the factory?
#53

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 14:18:46
Really, who cares where the food's ingredients came from as long as the end result is tasty-good and its genesis isn't immoral or harmful to the environment or something? For heaven's sakes, we've been growing food in soil for millenia. Soil! Do you know what soil is? And we use manure as fertilizer!


Who wants to know where Jell-O comes from and why you can't take a tour of the factory?



Me... oooh me.... oooh pick me.... :::Raises Hand:::

I kinda care. I mean if they start putting nuclear waste in my food I want to know about it so I can complain while I eat it...
#54

zammm

Jun 08, 2011 14:19:28
Who wants to know where Jell-O comes from and why you can't take a tour of the factory?

My guess: distilled rainbows and the fact that while there's always room for Jell-O, there's not always room for cameras.
#55

pluisjen

Jun 08, 2011 15:14:37
Jell-O was made from ground up pig bones if I'm not mistaken?
#56

ADHadh

Jun 08, 2011 15:34:12
Jell-O was made from ground up pig bones if I'm not mistaken?


I think it was specifically cartilage.
#57

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 16:00:37
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.
#58

ADHadh

Jun 08, 2011 17:26:56
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.


You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.
#59

Maxperson

Jun 08, 2011 17:40:18
... a moose, a burnt frog and a homicidal squirrel... that's it, clearly I'm in a Disney movie as directed by Tim Burton.



Look Natasha.  In 5 minutes Moose and Squirrel will be *kaboom*  ::said with bad Russian accent::
#60

toastedamphibian

Jun 08, 2011 18:08:19

El Kabong! will save us.
#61

LFK

Jun 08, 2011 18:38:10
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.


You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

Cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair all contain some quantity of collagen that can be extracted.
#62

LFK

Jun 08, 2011 19:11:47

Cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair all contain some quantity of collagen that can be extracted.



You are forgetting Jews.

According to this Chick Tract I found on the bus they appear to have cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair, so I would assume I already included them... OH WAIT I forgot horns. Good catch.

(Please, I'm not an anti-semite, I just... humor makes the pain go away)
#63

calronmoonflower

Jun 08, 2011 19:29:48
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.

You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

I work in a pork processing plant and there are big cardboard "combos" that pork skins are dumped into that say that they are for gelatin on the side.
#64

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 20:20:27
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.

You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

I work in a pork processing plant and there are big cardboard "combos" that pork skins are dumped into that say that they are for gelatin on the side.



Nasty... good thing I stopped eating Jello... I know they used to boil blood, but that was in the 1700's...
#65

calronmoonflower

Jun 08, 2011 20:59:04
Nasty...

They do wash the hogs with a chemical bath and burn off the hair with what are basically flamethrowers. I do not see why it would then be nasty.

good thing I stopped eating Jello... I know they used to boil blood, but that was in the 1700's...

Do you eat wheat? They have a minimum set level of mouse droppings that are allowed in the grain. Not only that, but mouse corpses end up getting mixed in with the grain when it is harvested.
#66

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 08, 2011 23:17:34
good thing I stopped eating Jello... I know they used to boil blood, but that was in the 1700's...

Do you eat wheat? They have a minimum set level of mouse droppings that are allowed in the grain. Not only that, but mouse corpses end up getting mixed in with the grain when it is harvested.

Just 2 more reasons to eat wheat. It helps you strengthen you immune system and had protein.

#67

calronmoonflower

Jun 09, 2011 1:58:34
That should have been maximum in my last post instead of minimum.
#68

ADHadh

Jun 09, 2011 4:23:08
That should have been maximum in my last post instead of minimum.


Works better the way it was posted.
#69

boraxe

Jun 09, 2011 8:03:36
Soylent Green is made from people! It's people!!!
#70

ADHadh

Jun 09, 2011 11:42:00
You know what would be truly shocking? Finding meat in a sausage
#71

ADHadh

Jun 09, 2011 13:18:46
You know what would be truly shocking? Finding meat in a sausage



/unzip pant's zipper


Flaunting your misfortune will accomplish nothing.
Quit complaining and go do something about it, that's one of my mottos.
#72

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 09, 2011 19:22:30
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.


You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

Cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair all contain some quantity of collagen that can be extracted.



You are forgetting Jews.





#73

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 09, 2011 19:24:14
You know what would be truly shocking? Finding meat in a sausage



/unzip pant's zipper





#74

jesse.two.coins

Jun 09, 2011 19:26:41
a jew joke.... 
#75

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 09, 2011 19:28:42
a jew joke.... 


Look, I'm not anti-semitic or anything... quite the contrary, I support Jews...
But that was funny, I don't care who ya ar!!

LOL

#76

jesse.two.coins

Jun 10, 2011 16:02:33
a jew joke.... 


Look, I'm not anti-semitic or anything... quite the contrary, I support Jews...
But that was funny, I don't care who ya ar!!

LOL



yeah 
#77

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 10, 2011 16:18:51

Well... I laugh at jokes about West Virginia/ hillbillies/ rednecks/ country bumpkins/ etc... and I don't get offended.

I didn't know you were Jewish, Jesse... not that it makes a difference, but if I offended you, I'm sorry, and will try to not do so again. It was not my intent.
#78

jesse.two.coins

Jun 10, 2011 16:24:30

Well... I laugh at jokes about West Virginia/ hillbillies/ rednecks/ country bumpkins/ etc... and I don't get offended.

I didn't know you were Jewish, Jesse... not that it makes a difference, but if I offended you, I'm sorry, and will try to not do so again. It was not my intent.


ahhh no dude its completely cool  I just felt like using the cthulhu smiley  yeah, the original comment I made with the "" wasn't serious I probably should have made it clearer
#79

lokiare

Jun 10, 2011 17:33:03

Well... I laugh at jokes about West Virginia/ hillbillies/ rednecks/ country bumpkins/ etc... and I don't get offended.

I didn't know you were Jewish, Jesse... not that it makes a difference, but if I offended you, I'm sorry, and will try to not do so again. It was not my intent.


ahhh no dude its completely cool  I just felt like using the cthulhu smiley  yeah, the original comment I made with the "" wasn't serious I probably should have made it clearer



I think they need to create a sarcasm smiley, that would solve 99% of the misunderstandings on the internet...
#80

jesse.two.coins

Jun 10, 2011 18:29:31
shoot, I don't even understand when people are sarcastic in real life 
#82

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:03:36
Check the first link Boraxe. Then search the page for 'human hair'


I did. You skipped the important key words "derived from" in your post.

Even that link confirms later that 80% of L-cysteine is derived from duck feathers and that industry is moving towards synthetic sources.

I know fearmongering is fun for some people but if you're going to cite sources you shouldn't use ones that disprove your own claims. Luckily the creators of that site seem more interested in facts than are you.



Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...
#83

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:05:42
Check the first link Boraxe. Then search the page for 'human hair'


I did. You skipped the important key words "derived from" in your post.

Even that link confirms later that 80% of L-cysteine is derived from duck feathers and that industry is moving towards synthetic sources.

I know fearmongering is fun for some people but if you're going to cite sources you shouldn't use ones that disprove your own claims. Luckily the creators of that site seem more interested in facts than are you.



Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...



Fear mongering... that's rich... have you seen the news on TV lately, THAT's fear mongering...
#84

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 13:07:40
Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...


You know that sarcasm and charged language make your position look worse, not better, right?
#85

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:12:38
Ok, so they 'derive' 20% of the ingredient L-cysteiene from hair (They boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever). The other 80% is mostly made up of duck feathers with a few synthetics added in. They are going synthetic, that's good (maybe)...


You know that sarcasm and charged language make your position look worse, not better, right?



Weird I thought I was just paraphrasing your post.. so that  you saw I was agreeing with you...I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...
#86

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 13:21:50
Fear mongering... that's rich... have you seen the news on TV lately, THAT's fear mongering...


Just cos someone else does something on a grander scale doesn't mean you're not doing it too. And once again your derision make you look bad, not the person to whom you're responding.
#87

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 13:25:03
Weird I thought I was just paraphrasing your post.. so that  you saw I was agreeing with you...I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...


No, it would be 100% L-cysteine derived (note the lack of sarcastic quotes) from duck feathers through a chemical reaction known as hydrolysis (note the lack of charged language such as "boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever").
#88

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 13:42:52
Weird I thought I was just paraphrasing your post.. so that  you saw I was agreeing with you...I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...


No, it would be 100% L-cysteine derived (note the lack of sarcastic quotes) from duck feathers through a chemical reaction known as hydrolysis (note the lack of charged language such as "boil it down or have bacteria eat it and poop it out or whatever").



Some of it still comes from hair though so that would not be accurate. They are moving away from that...

Hydrolysis is fun. Your not only boiling it down, your adding acidic chemicals to help the process along... nice...
#89

EscherEnigma

Jun 08, 2011 13:51:55
Yeah, nasty acidic chemicals.  Who would want to eat/drink acidic chemicals?  Like orange and lemon juice.  Or Coca Cola.
#90

zammm

Jun 08, 2011 14:02:01
Really, who cares where the food's ingredients came from as long as the end result is tasty-good and its genesis isn't immoral or harmful to the environment or something? For heaven's sakes, we've been growing food in soil for millenia. Soil! Do you know what soil is? And we use manure as fertilizer!
#91

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 14:05:01
Some of it still comes from hair though so that would not be accurate. They are moving away from that...


You are the one who said "I mean even if its 100% duck feathers and not human hair, its still 100% duck feathers you know...". The arbitrary number was yours, not mine. I was simply refuting your incorrect conclusion.

Hydrolysis is fun. Your not only boiling it down, your adding acidic chemicals to help the process along... nice...


Assuming you read that link once, you might want to do so again.
#92

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 14:12:51
Really, who cares where the food's ingredients came from as long as the end result is tasty-good and its genesis isn't immoral or harmful to the environment or something? For heaven's sakes, we've been growing food in soil for millenia. Soil! Do you know what soil is? And we use manure as fertilizer!


Who wants to know where Jell-O comes from and why you can't take a tour of the factory?
#93

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 14:18:46
Really, who cares where the food's ingredients came from as long as the end result is tasty-good and its genesis isn't immoral or harmful to the environment or something? For heaven's sakes, we've been growing food in soil for millenia. Soil! Do you know what soil is? And we use manure as fertilizer!


Who wants to know where Jell-O comes from and why you can't take a tour of the factory?



Me... oooh me.... oooh pick me.... :::Raises Hand:::

I kinda care. I mean if they start putting nuclear waste in my food I want to know about it so I can complain while I eat it...
#94

zammm

Jun 08, 2011 14:19:28
Who wants to know where Jell-O comes from and why you can't take a tour of the factory?

My guess: distilled rainbows and the fact that while there's always room for Jell-O, there's not always room for cameras.
#95

pluisjen

Jun 08, 2011 15:14:37
Jell-O was made from ground up pig bones if I'm not mistaken?
#96

ADHadh

Jun 08, 2011 15:34:12
Jell-O was made from ground up pig bones if I'm not mistaken?


I think it was specifically cartilage.
#97

boraxe

Jun 08, 2011 16:00:37
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.
#98

ADHadh

Jun 08, 2011 17:26:56
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.


You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.
#99

Maxperson

Jun 08, 2011 17:40:18
... a moose, a burnt frog and a homicidal squirrel... that's it, clearly I'm in a Disney movie as directed by Tim Burton.



Look Natasha.  In 5 minutes Moose and Squirrel will be *kaboom*  ::said with bad Russian accent::
#100

toastedamphibian

Jun 08, 2011 18:08:19

El Kabong! will save us.
#101

LFK

Jun 08, 2011 18:38:10
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.


You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

Cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair all contain some quantity of collagen that can be extracted.
#102

LFK

Jun 08, 2011 19:11:47

Cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair all contain some quantity of collagen that can be extracted.



You are forgetting Jews.

According to this Chick Tract I found on the bus they appear to have cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair, so I would assume I already included them... OH WAIT I forgot horns. Good catch.

(Please, I'm not an anti-semite, I just... humor makes the pain go away)
#103

calronmoonflower

Jun 08, 2011 19:29:48
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.

You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

I work in a pork processing plant and there are big cardboard "combos" that pork skins are dumped into that say that they are for gelatin on the side.
#104

lokiare

Jun 08, 2011 20:20:27
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.

You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

I work in a pork processing plant and there are big cardboard "combos" that pork skins are dumped into that say that they are for gelatin on the side.



Nasty... good thing I stopped eating Jello... I know they used to boil blood, but that was in the 1700's...
#105

calronmoonflower

Jun 08, 2011 20:59:04
Nasty...

They do wash the hogs with a chemical bath and burn off the hair with what are basically flamethrowers. I do not see why it would then be nasty.

good thing I stopped eating Jello... I know they used to boil blood, but that was in the 1700's...

Do you eat wheat? They have a minimum set level of mouse droppings that are allowed in the grain. Not only that, but mouse corpses end up getting mixed in with the grain when it is harvested.
#106

homicidal_squirrel

Jun 08, 2011 23:17:34
good thing I stopped eating Jello... I know they used to boil blood, but that was in the 1700's...

Do you eat wheat? They have a minimum set level of mouse droppings that are allowed in the grain. Not only that, but mouse corpses end up getting mixed in with the grain when it is harvested.

Just 2 more reasons to eat wheat. It helps you strengthen you immune system and had protein.

#107

calronmoonflower

Jun 09, 2011 1:58:34
That should have been maximum in my last post instead of minimum.
#108

ADHadh

Jun 09, 2011 4:23:08
That should have been maximum in my last post instead of minimum.


Works better the way it was posted.
#109

boraxe

Jun 09, 2011 8:03:36
Soylent Green is made from people! It's people!!!
#110

ADHadh

Jun 09, 2011 11:42:00
You know what would be truly shocking? Finding meat in a sausage
#111

ADHadh

Jun 09, 2011 13:18:46
You know what would be truly shocking? Finding meat in a sausage



/unzip pant's zipper


Flaunting your misfortune will accomplish nothing.
Quit complaining and go do something about it, that's one of my mottos.
#112

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 09, 2011 19:22:30
What they do is take cow hides and throw them in large vats of acid. As they fester and putrify the collagen is exuded as a gelatinous slime coating the skins. This is the basis of gelatin.


You sure?
Or maybe it was only the gummi bears that were made from cartilage...

You know, I loved biting cartilage off chiken bones when I was little. I still like to munch on it if I'm eating chicken.

Cartilage, skin, hooves, and hair all contain some quantity of collagen that can be extracted.



You are forgetting Jews.





#113

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 09, 2011 19:24:14
You know what would be truly shocking? Finding meat in a sausage



/unzip pant's zipper





#114

jesse.two.coins

Jun 09, 2011 19:26:41
a jew joke.... 
#115

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 09, 2011 19:28:42
a jew joke.... 


Look, I'm not anti-semitic or anything... quite the contrary, I support Jews...
But that was funny, I don't care who ya ar!!

LOL

#116

jesse.two.coins

Jun 10, 2011 16:02:33
a jew joke.... 


Look, I'm not anti-semitic or anything... quite the contrary, I support Jews...
But that was funny, I don't care who ya ar!!

LOL



yeah 
#117

Robin_Hoodlum

Jun 10, 2011 16:18:51

Well... I laugh at jokes about West Virginia/ hillbillies/ rednecks/ country bumpkins/ etc... and I don't get offended.

I didn't know you were Jewish, Jesse... not that it makes a difference, but if I offended you, I'm sorry, and will try to not do so again. It was not my intent.
#118

jesse.two.coins

Jun 10, 2011 16:24:30

Well... I laugh at jokes about West Virginia/ hillbillies/ rednecks/ country bumpkins/ etc... and I don't get offended.

I didn't know you were Jewish, Jesse... not that it makes a difference, but if I offended you, I'm sorry, and will try to not do so again. It was not my intent.


ahhh no dude its completely cool  I just felt like using the cthulhu smiley  yeah, the original comment I made with the "" wasn't serious I probably should have made it clearer
#119

lokiare

Jun 10, 2011 17:33:03

Well... I laugh at jokes about West Virginia/ hillbillies/ rednecks/ country bumpkins/ etc... and I don't get offended.

I didn't know you were Jewish, Jesse... not that it makes a difference, but if I offended you, I'm sorry, and will try to not do so again. It was not my intent.


ahhh no dude its completely cool  I just felt like using the cthulhu smiley  yeah, the original comment I made with the "" wasn't serious I probably should have made it clearer



I think they need to create a sarcasm smiley, that would solve 99% of the misunderstandings on the internet...
#120

jesse.two.coins

Jun 10, 2011 18:29:31
shoot, I don't even understand when people are sarcastic in real life