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#1 shiningwolf88 Jul 13, 2011 11:02:30	Some medical practitioners advise that obese kids be temporarily put into foster care to help them manage their weight and get back down to healthier levels. shine.yahoo.com/channel/health/should-pa...
#2 pluisjen Jul 13, 2011 11:10:33	It depends on the reason of the obesity (which is not always "eats too much" or "excercises too little", although that's probably the most common reason) They should also start with educating parents (which seems like a good idea allround, considering the serious lack of sense many people have. And which causes a lot of babies, which then learn lack of sense from their parents) instead of taking the kids away.
#3 bone_naga Jul 13, 2011 11:10:55	I understand the idea. It's conceptually no different than intervening if a child has cancer or something and the parents refuse to do anything about it. However, who desides where the line is between obesity and extreme obesity? How much is genetics taken into account vs poor dieting and lack of exercise? What if the parents have tried different approaches but simply chose the wrong ones (there are a lot of bullshit diets, pills, etc, that many people buy into thinking it will magically make them skinnier)?
#4 bone_naga Jul 13, 2011 11:13:52	Oh and another thing, with as overburdened as our foster system already is, do we really want to add more to that? Isn't there a risk that the children will get more screwed up in foster care than if they stayed with their parents? And should it matter whether or not the child is happy with the status quo?
#5 jetshield Jul 13, 2011 11:16:56	We should put them in military academies and train them to be super-soldiers.
#6 shiningwolf88 Jul 13, 2011 11:18:19	I understand the idea. It's conceptually no different than intervening if a child has cancer or something and the parents refuse to do anything about it. However, who desides where the line is between obesity and extreme obesity? How much is genetics taken into account vs poor dieting and lack of exercise? What if the parents have tried different approaches but simply chose the wrong ones (there are a lot of bullshit diets, pills, etc, that many people buy into thinking it will magically make them skinnier)? As far as what extreme obesity is, there is a medical definition, something like a bmi of 35 and above, which for the most part means there is something else wrong besides genetics.
#7 homicidal_squirrel Jul 13, 2011 11:29:53	I understand the idea. It's conceptually no different than intervening if a child has cancer or something and the parents refuse to do anything about it. However, who desides where the line is between obesity and extreme obesity? How much is genetics taken into account vs poor dieting and lack of exercise? What if the parents have tried different approaches but simply chose the wrong ones (there are a lot of bullshit diets, pills, etc, that many people buy into thinking it will magically make them skinnier)? If I am not mistaken there is a medical definition set up to determine obesity and extreme obesity.
#8 homicidal_squirrel Jul 13, 2011 11:30:59	We should put them in military academies and train them to be super-soldiers. Wasn't the military complaining that most high school kids were to fat to join, and that this was a threat to national security?
#9 bone_naga Jul 13, 2011 11:32:30	If I am not mistaken there is a medical definition set up to determine obesity and extreme obesity.  Yes but even doctors are sometimes mistaken about them. I've met a number of doctors that use ONLY the height/weight chart to determine if someone is fat. However, a person with an unusual bone structure or a lot of muscle may be over the weight shown for their height on that chart. That's why I take some of the talk about rising obesity with a grain of salt; not everyone designated as obese really is.
#10 draco1119 Jul 13, 2011 11:44:44	Yes but even doctors are sometimes mistaken about them. I've met a number of doctors that use ONLY the height/weight chart to determine if someone is fat. However, a person with an unusual bone structure or a lot of muscle may be over the weight shown for their height on that chart. That's why I take some of the talk about rising obesity with a grain of salt; not everyone designated as obese really is. I remember reading once that Reggie Bush is extremely obese, according to the height/weight charts.
#11 shiningwolf88 Jul 13, 2011 11:50:52	Yes but even doctors are sometimes mistaken about them. I've met a number of doctors that use ONLY the height/weight chart to determine if someone is fat. However, a person with an unusual bone structure or a lot of muscle may be over the weight shown for their height on that chart. That's why I take some of the talk about rising obesity with a grain of salt; not everyone designated as obese really is. I remember reading once that Reggie Bush is extremely obese, according to the height/weight charts. Yea, bmi (body mass index) doesnt take into account if the extra weight is fat, muscle, or increased bone density. Its mainly used as a general guideline, then a doctor needs to ascertain thru other tests things like body fat percentile and such.
#12 homicidal_squirrel Jul 13, 2011 14:23:12	If I am not mistaken there is a medical definition set up to determine obesity and extreme obesity.  Yes but even doctors are sometimes mistaken about them. I've met a number of doctors that use ONLY the height/weight chart to determine if someone is fat. However, a person with an unusual bone structure or a lot of muscle may be over the weight shown for their height on that chart. That's why I take some of the talk about rising obesity with a grain of salt; not everyone designated as obese really is. Some doctors being lazy or inept does not mean the way obesity is identified is completely wrong. There is a difference between this: Show
#13 homicidal_squirrel Jul 13, 2011 14:29:01	Alright, that was a good one.
#14 zombie_babies Jul 13, 2011 15:45:14	Alright, that was a good one. You're just sayin' that cuz I'm white, aren't you?
#15 homicidal_squirrel Jul 13, 2011 17:31:44	Alright, that was a good one. You're just sayin' that cuz I'm white, aren't you?  I figured you would be a mixture of shades of greens, purples, reds, blacks, and grays (among others). You know... cause you're a zombie and a rotting corpse and all...
#16 Cpt_Micha Jul 13, 2011 17:33:23	You got something against zombies?
#17 homicidal_squirrel Jul 13, 2011 17:40:20	You got something against zombies? Yes.
#18 OleOneEye Jul 13, 2011 18:06:33	I cannot imagine that a person with any experience on how foster care actually works would support this proposition.  Foster care is a really, really bad system.  It's saving grace is that foster care is at least some type of system.  Obesity is nothing at all like child molestation or the other horror stories that kids in foster care have actually endured.
#19 jetshield Jul 13, 2011 19:00:23	I cannot imagine that a person with any experience on how foster care actually works would support this proposition.  Foster care is a really, really bad system.  It's saving grace is that foster care is at least some type of system.  Obesity is nothing at all like child molestation or the other horror stories that kids in foster care have to endure.
#20 lokiare Jul 14, 2011 0:16:39	We should put them in military academies and train them to be super-soldiers. Wasn't the military complaining that most high school kids were to fat to join, and that this was a threat to national security? That's a cop out... asking officials questions about their recent behavior is 'a threat to national security'... "What did you eat for breakfast today?" "I'm sorry, I can't answer that, its a threat to national security"