I like the original on the 64. My favs were Fox and Ness.
Fox is a cool character. I can't believe that they had Falco be a clone to Fox.
Ness is an okay character. He's has his advantages and his disadvantages.
I just liked Ness because I never had to move.
Oh.I'm surprised to hear that from you. Quote: "Never had to move"
Hmm... sounds invigorating...
I'm annoyed how blantantly overpowered Snake is. His tilts do around 20 damage, more than most characters' smashes. I think Konami must have paid Sakurai a lot of money to make him that good or something.
Metaknight looks at that and laughs. Big hits are nice, but 1-combo KO's are better.
What do you guys think about Brawl+? I prefer normal Brawl with Metaknight taken out, but I've heard good things about it.
Also: You can't say you're good if you turn off items.
You know how the 3-D Zelda games always had one of those sword reflection fights? A friend and I used Green Shells to do it in Brawl. It was fun, but Link has a huge edge because the G-dorf is {expletive of your choice}-ing slow.
The weird thing about FE9&10 is that Ike isn't a Lord like every other main character in the series (save Micaiah, who is named after an obscure Old Testament character).
Ranger -> Lord -> Vanguard
Metaknight looks at that and laughs. Big hits are nice, but 1-combo KO's are better.
What do you guys think about Brawl+? I prefer normal Brawl with Metaknight taken out, but I've heard good things about it.
Yes, but that seems like an oversight of the developers. Snake is just, as I said, blatantly overpowered.
And why is Ike a ranger? He doesn't use bows, and he only has one weapon. He also doesn't seem to be a tracker or a wilderness specialist... And vanguard sounds really... not-epic.
*Deep Breath* NO ITEMS. FOX ONLY. FINAL DESTINATION!!
Ugh. I can't imagine playing that more than once. Items bring about one third of the fun in Smash Bros., and Final Destination is as boring as it gets. If you are going to limit things to just one stage, Battlefield is closer to the pure Smash Bros. experience (though I prefer the wide variety). Finally, while Fox is one of my favorite characters since the original, I would go crazy playing nothing but him.
I really need to play more Brawl.
*Deep Breath* NO ITEMS. FOX ONLY. FINAL DESTINATION!!
Join me and together we will rule the forums as father and son.
Anyone else play Skies of Arcadia? Vyse would make a great addition to the Smash Bros. line up.
Nah, if we're gonna get yet ANOTHER sword-wielder in, it might as well be the one who should have been there from the start: Crono.
Snake is overpowered in a brawl, because he can efficiently blast people from a distance with impunity. I think SSBB has a big problem with people being able to keep distance, and taht is actually the most effective strategy. Waiting for people to come to you is generally how people win fights. It's to your advantage because they are using the effort to get to you, and thus don't have as much strength or control to hit you as you do to hit them. Plus if they don't come after you, they will simply beat each other up. This is especially bad for characters with no shooting ability verse those that do. I've played online matches where there were 4 people, 2 decided to gang up on snake (me included) and he would win consistently. He wasnt talaneted, he just ran and shot, and when we stopped to take care of ther other guy fighting, he would blast all 3 of us out of the park! And it's not as if Snake is weak at hand to hand either! He can run through and away from people real easily. Ike is ridiculous, but at least you have to get pretty damn CLOSE to the guy. Snake doesn't. Not to mention he drops remote bombs which are far more powerful than other characters bombs and not really harder to use (in some cases easier).
In reality, Snake would snap Marios neck, slit Pikachu's throat and blow up Donkey Kong with no problem, but that doesn't work in a game that needs balance like this.
All items, battlefield, Link or Mario only.
My basic strategy as Link/Young Link was to pepper the enemy with arrows when they were far away, then toss bombs when they got to mid range, then start letting loose some bad-ass swordplay.
My strategy for Marth and Roy was to just get right up in there, and get a really long chain attack (using side B), and then when I knock 'em in the air, hit them with up B, then as they try to get up (after they hit the floor), keep smacking them with B.
In reality, Snake would snap Marios neck, slit Pikachu's throat and blow up Donkey Kong with no problem, but that doesn't work in a game that needs balance like this.
That is a pretty bold claim. Snake is from a relatively realistic setting, and is more or less just an exceptional regular human being. Furthermore, he relies on heavy artillery like Stinger Missiles to fight large opponents. Mario regularly fights twisted monstrosities 10 times his own size with his bare hands. Just look at Mario's jumping ability and imagine how much lower body strength it takes to pull that off. As for Pikachu, if Snake was smart he would try to snipe it at long range, since being zapped by lightning isn't good for his health.
As for the Vyse suggestion, it would be cool. It is sadly unlikely, since Skies of Arcadia is a bit old and was never as well known as other properties, but I would like to see it. At the very least, we could get a stage where you fight on the deck of an airship.
I like to play Ice Climbers. Just cause it confuses the hell out of people.
Snake is overpowered in a brawl, because he can efficiently blast people from a distance with impunity. I think SSBB has a big problem with people being able to keep distance, and taht is actually the most effective strategy. Waiting for people to come to you is generally how people win fights. It's to your advantage because they are using the effort to get to you, and thus don't have as much strength or control to hit you as you do to hit them. Plus if they don't come after you, they will simply beat each other up.
Yep. In the original SSB almost nobody had good range. It was a weak weapon/attack but could be used to annoy people. In SSBB there are several characters that have very strong ranged attacks and so they can sit on the other side of the level and kill everyone without having to do jack. Because of this one can no longer reasonable do the waiting tactic in SSBB with fox. Everyone will just blast you from a distance. In the original there was not this sort of problem because everyone was at some point forced to get into melee combat.
In reality, Snake would snap Marios neck, slit Pikachu's throat and blow up Donkey Kong with no problem, but that doesn't work in a game that needs balance like this.
Me personally I think it would be the other way around.
As for the Vyse suggestion, it would be cool. It is sadly unlikely, since Skies of Arcadia is a bit old and was never as well known as other properties, but I would like to see it. At the very least, we could get a stage where you fight on the deck of an airship.
Sounds more like a Final Fantasy stage. What I wanted was Mega Man (would be hard to pull off, as there are like seven of them.) MegaMan "Rock" Volnutt from Legends would probably be used due to his inclusion in Namco X Capcom and Tatsunoko Vs. Capcom.
I just realized something:
RPG Cliche 192: Know Your Audience (Vyse Rule)
Every female in the game will find the male lead incredibly attractive.
So this was pulled from Skies of Arcadia?
Crono, though... questionable. The Final Smash would have to be Luminaire or Delta Storm.
Lucario has an advantage over virtually every stage in Brawl with his Down- B move! He's THAT awesome!
Sonic's okay. His recovery is without question perfect. The ironic thing is that he is rated as the Disaster Master in my Wii system (Character with the most Self- Destructs).
Cursed Bunny Ears... :raincloud Jigglypuff??? Who wanted Jigglypuff in Brawl anyhow???
And Lucario's Down-B has one big weakness. The grab!
And Lucario's Down-B has one big weakness. The grab!
Yep! That's one thing I forgot to mention. :D
Nintendo doesn't really have that many female main characters. Samus is just about the only one.
Ahem!!!
Peach begs to differ, Owls and More Owls! :P
Ahem!!!
Peach begs to differ, Owls and More Owls! :P
She's not a main character. She's a secondary character at best. She is more fits into the role of "woman who needs to be saved". Is is by no stretch of the imagination a main character.
Ahem!!!
Peach begs to differ, Owls and More Owls! :P
It took how many years for Peach to get her own game?
How about Cooking Mama? I think she would be good in SSB :D
It's just that SSB is more aimed at the more serious gamer (I hate to be sexist here, but men tend to be more hardcore gamers than women, but I'll bet that there may be some women gamers that would disagree with me).
Nintendo has plenty of female characters in their Archives, so the next SSB game (if there is one) can have more female characters.
It's just that SSB is more aimed at the more serious gamer (I hate to be sexist here, but men tend to be more hardcore gamers than women, but I'll bet that there may be some women gamers that would disagree with me).
First: Super Smash Bros. doesn't exclusively appeal to "hardcore" gamers. In fact, it's casual nature is what appeals to so many of it's players.
Second: Many males want more female characters in the game, not just female gamers.
When I'm playing one of those multi-player co-op games (especially true with Nintendo), such as Mario Cart, Mario Party or SSB, I usually play a female character. My few most favorite characters in Soulcalibur are female. Of course it might just be that I like beating other guys while playing female characters.
Or the fact that the women in that game have ridiculously large breasts?
Or the fact that the women in that game have ridiculously large breasts?
Xianghua has large breasts? What's up with people and breasts? Do you guys really find them that attractive?
I don't think so, I just know a lot of people who play those characters for that reason. (Makes me a bit embarassed to be an Ivy player really.)
Of course I haven't played for a long while so I'm sure I'm quite rusty.
What's up with people and breasts? Do you guys really find them that attractive?
I think breasts are pretty neat. They overdo it in Soul Caliber (especially in the new one), but my best female character is Talim (who is relatively flat) and my best character overall is Nightmare.
Also, don't tell me you guys wouldnt want Ammy in SSB.
Big boobs scare me.
I think breasts are pretty neat.
Well said I'm not a breast guy. I actually like my (cat)girls flat chested.
Big boobs scare me.
Pft. Wuss.
Jigglypuff is the character that one uses if they are good and want to test their skills. It's that character one uses to challenge themselves. If one uses Jigglypuff and wins then you know that those they are playing with really suck. Hard.
I must step in hear to defend the jigglemeister. What is good about Jigglypuff, you ask? "POUND, POUND, AHAHAHA POUND!!!!", I scream at you manically. Don't underestimate the move, it takes preference over almost every other attack in the game and also hits through the majority of those. And jiggylpuff is actually a sneak attack character. Think about it.
And Lucario's Down-B has one big weakness. The grab!
There are quite a few more weaknesses to this move...wait, time for a rant.
I'll start off by saying that I absolutely hate Lucario. Mostly because I can't imagine who really wanted that character in the game, but also because its specials are so...weak.
Up B- Why didn't they just make it like Mewtwo's teleport? It takes too long to execute in addition to not causing damage. You can curve your path, I guess, for what that's worth...if it's worth anything I haven't found it yet.
B-Why, oh why can I cancel this move out with any other attack when it is at full blast?
Over B- okay, I actually like this one.
Down B- yay a counter!... wait, except it gives the opponent just enough time to shield or dodge your counter, is worthless in aerial clashes, and leaves you completely vulnerable for 3 whole seconds after.
...and while I'm on a tear: damn you, Nintendo! Give falco his own specials!
Except then there's the whole landmaster thing. Sakurai wasn't beeing too original, it seems.
Ties don exits!
I thought it was tires. Tires don exits. No? I could be wrong.
Oh, and:
I think breasts are pretty neat.
Indeed they are, Owls. Indeed they are.
Can somebody tell me why Meta-Knight is so 'overpowered'?
Oh, and:
Indeed they are, Owls. Indeed they are.
All of his matchups are favorable to him. ALL OF THEM. What this means is that, given two players or relatively equal skill, Metaknight ALWAYS WINS, no matter who his opponent is. If you need an expanded explanation, I can link you to one, though.
He asked why he's overpowered and you basically just answered by saying he was overpowered. Got that link?
Sure. Here, this should explain it all (or most of it, at least, some characters are missing). His moves are mostly excellent, so he has practically no weaknesses. Meta is not overwhelming, but he always gets the win.
BTW, Mario/Olimar, yeeaaahhh!
Balance would be needed if SSBB was a fighting game. (PROTIP: its not.)
BTW, Mario/Olimar, yeeaaahhh!
That's the sickest crack shipping I've ever seen.
And I shipped Arms/DarkStryke.
Balance would be needed if SSBB was a fighting game. (PROTIP: its not.)
BTW, Mario/Olimar, yeeaaahhh!
So? Rake wanted to know why Meta was overpowered, not discuss if Brawl is balanced or not. We were discussing potatos and then you barged in and started talking about oceans. :P
Pig: Please, we know you did much worse.
Now, as for characters I'd like to see included: I'd love it if they upgraded Shadow from the Sonic series from assist trophy to full-fledged character. Sure, he started out as a Sonic clone back in Sonic Adventure 2 (moveset-wise, not storyline-wise), but since then he's gotten quite a few of his own moves, primarily energy blasts and teleports. his forward-B could be the Chaos Spear, down-B could be a spin dash like Sonic's, and neutral-B could be a homing attack, again like Sonic's. As for up-B, probably a teleport of some kind. Plus, they've got two great choices for final smashes; Either Chaos Control (slow everyone else down for 10 seconds) or Chaos Blast (a huge explosion that wipes out pretty much everything around him). Or they could go the lame route and give him Super Shadow.
All of his matchups are favorable to him. ALL OF THEM. What this means is that, given two players or relatively equal skill, Metaknight ALWAYS WINS, no matter who his opponent is. If you need an expanded explanation, I can link you to one, though.
If there's some killer combo for Meta-Knight, I'm willing to believe you. This explanation is untrue, however. My brother and I have 'relatively equal skill' in that each of us can beat the other some of the time (he's a little better than I am). His Meta-Knight is alright, but far from an auto-win. I've beaten him many times playing Meta-Knight (often with Wolf).
There's been nuff said about overpoweredness.
If there's some killer combo for Meta-Knight, I'm willing to believe you. This explanation is untrue, however. My brother and I have 'relatively equal skill' in that each of us can beat the other some of the time (he's a little better than I am). His Meta-Knight is alright, but far from an auto-win. I've beaten him many times playing Meta-Knight (often with Wolf).
Check the link. It explains it much better than I can. The only truly even match is Ice Climbers, and even then it depends on their chaingrab.
I could say that Pikachu is over powered because when a friend of mine plays Pikachu it's almost an auto win for him.
There's been nuff said about overpoweredness.
Original Smash Pikachu WAS overpowered, IiRC. :P
Balance would be needed if SSBB was a fighting game. (PROTIP: its not.)
BTW, Mario/Olimar, yeeaaahhh!
I suppose you're one of those fighting game "purists" who thinks fighting games can only take place between two characters, require a life bar, and elaborate, ridiculous button combinations to perform special moves that are ultimately foiled by noobs who just mash the controller.
Really, what other genre would you file SSB under? Party games? I guess, maybe?
Oh, and Samus/Pikachu. IT WAS IN THE STORY MODE! YOU ALL SAW IT!
I suppose you're one of those fighting game "purists" who thinks fighting games can only take place between two characters, require a life bar, and elaborate, ridiculous button combinations to perform special moves that are ultimately foiled by noobs who just mash the controller.
Really, what other genre would you file SSB under? Party games? I guess, maybe?
Oh, and Samus/Pikachu. IT WAS IN THE STORY MODE! YOU ALL SAW IT!
The sheer amount of fanservice in The Subspace Emissary makes doujins pale. I don't think you can take anything at face value there...
...other than Sonic saving everyone else's asses. Hell yes! :P
Original Smash Pikachu WAS overpowered, IiRC. :P
He uses Pikachu in all the SSB games. In the original I could kick his but most of the time just by using Fox or Ness. Not so true with SSBB.
The sheer amount of fanservice in The Subspace Emissary makes doujins pale. I don't think you can take anything at face value there...
...other than Sonic saving everyone else's asses. Hell yes! :P
After a little while, playing through Subspace Emissary became boring as hell, but I kept on doing it just to see what would happen next in the story.
I suppose you're one of those fighting game "purists" who thinks fighting games can only take place between two characters, require a life bar, and elaborate, ridiculous button combinations to perform special moves that are ultimately foiled by noobs who just mash the controller.
Really, what other genre would you file SSB under? Party games? I guess, maybe?
Oh, and Samus/Pikachu. IT WAS IN THE STORY MODE! YOU ALL SAW IT!
Pikachu looks like a pet raccoon-alien-thing that Samus had as a child.
Or maybe Samus is just a pokefurry.
Check the link. It explains it much better than I can. The only truly even match is Ice Climbers, and even then it depends on their chaingrab.
Yeah, I saw your link, but the 'odds' it gives don't hold water. My brother is a better player than I am by a small (but probably mathematically proveable) margin, and I've beat his Meta-Knight on many, many occasions. If Meta-Knight is broken, it's not due to being generally better than the other characters.
You know, it's not just that board that thinks that's the case. Literally every single board in that site thinks MK has an advantage over practically every character. Sure, they COULD be wrong (they have been before), but doesn't such a consensus seem slightly more believable than anecdotal experience?
More believeable? Not to me. It's not 'anecdotal' from where I'm sitting (in front of the TV, playing the game). I bought a Wii pretty much for the express purpose of playing this game. My brother and I (and several of his friends) have played a lot of SSSB by now, and none of us favors Meta-Knight in particular (my main is Wolf, my brother's main is usually Ike, and our friend's mains are Snake or Kirby. Furthermore, Meta-Knight, while a good (and cool) character, proves very beatable.
It's just that SSB is more aimed at the more serious gamer.
Sorry, but that's a ridiculous claim. I'd have to dig up the interviews, but I'm pretty sure some of the designers specifically said they weren't as concerned about balance and fairness as most fighting game designers because they wanted the game to be more casual, more whimsical, and less "serious business". The fact that people treat as such is in spite of the designers, not because of them.
I'm not a breast guy. I actually like my (cat)girls flat chested.
Big boobs scare me.
I know a woman named Kat that has breasts as large as a man's head1. Would you be terrified of her, like her, or just be confused?
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1We tested this scientifically. I'll leave it to your imagination the methods we used.
I know a woman named Kat that has breasts as large as a man's head1.
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1We tested this scientifically. I'll leave it to your imagination the methods we used.
A hat? Or did someone motorboat her? ;)
There are quite a few more weaknesses to this move...wait, time for a rant.
I'll start off by saying that I absolutely hate Lucario. Mostly because I can't imagine who really wanted that character in the game, but also because its specials are so...weak.
Up B- Why didn't they just make it like Mewtwo's teleport? It takes too long to execute in addition to not causing damage. You can curve your path, I guess, for what that's worth...if it's worth anything I haven't found it yet.
B-Why, oh why can I cancel this move out with any other attack when it is at full blast?
Over B- okay, I actually like this one.
Down B- yay a counter!... wait, except it gives the opponent just enough time to shield or dodge your counter, is worthless in aerial clashes, and leaves you completely vulnerable for 3 whole seconds after.
...and while I'm on a tear: damn you, Nintendo! Give falco his own specials!
Unfortunately, you haven't been playing Brawl for a while, haven't you?
Lucario's strength increases as his damage % goes up. A 999%, he's basically Super Lucario- though a Mr. Saturn would probably kill him easily!
999%? At that point don't you go flying off if someone sneezes on you? Heck it's hard to stay alive after ya get over 100% so it's not worth looking at his powers after about 200% cuz likely ya wont get that far.
True to the point, dirtyfrank-
Try creating an enclosed stage with only the exit at the top. That'll keep Lucario (or anyone else) from dying for a while. :D
True to the point, dirtyfrank-
Try creating an enclosed stage with only the exit at the top. That'll keep Lucario (or anyone else) from dying for a while. :D
Better yet, enclose it with spikes on top. Then you'll spawn inside the box, and you can't get KO'ed (By conventional means - I know if I don't put that there some smart*** will try and correct me).
Unfortunately, you haven't been playing Brawl for a while, haven't you?
Lucario's strength increases as his damage % goes up. A 999%, he's basically Super Lucario- though a Mr. Saturn would probably kill him easily!
My dear, I was one of those nerds that ventured outside of my cave of isolation to wait on a cold street corner so I could buy my copy at midnight on the release date. Don't give me none of that guff. I'll pistol whip you with my super scope.
The damage does cap out, and I consider that factor mitigated by how light the stupid psychic robot pokemon is.
In terms of enclosed stages where it is almost impossible to kill someone, I like to make a cage with a tiny opening at the bottom and a platform below that, covered on top with the falling blocks.
Reality.
Although he can still double jump and what have you, Snake is still the character most tied to real-world physics. Basicly, to my mind, his jumps can be described as ass. In a game where a large portion of the characters can fly, and the other chunk has crazy moooooooon jumps, tiny uncontrollable hops are a strike against you.
However, I'm not really one of those people who know much about the nitty-gritty of the game. I mean, I've played the game a ton, and I'm pretty damn good at it. I'm not completely oblivious to the nuances of the game. It's just I can't say off the top of my head anything about "tiers" or which characters are "naturally" better against which other ones. I mean, to my mind all the characters are pretty good if played right.
Except you Wario. You can just die.
I could say that Pikachu is over powered because when a friend of mine plays Pikachu it's almost an auto win for him.
There's been nuff said about overpoweredness.
That's exactly how my brother is. I tried his method too, and got absolutely creamed. And my opponent was wearing a cast on his Control Stick arm.
Another thing-
Sonic is a good character, but gets very annoying when you spam his side taunt, over and over and over and over...
"You're too slow!" "You're too slow!" "You're too slow!" "You're too
!" ...Sonic's actually pretty mediocre. He runs fast, but other than that, his attacks aren't very fast, he has low priority, and he lacks finishing moves.
His back air kick is pretty strong,but good luck hitting with it, ever. Ditto for his forward smash.
He's one of my favorite characters, but he's just not very strong.
One of the things that I look for when choosing a game for SSB is how good is their jump? If a character doesn't have a good jump or can float/fly then I don't like playing with them. There are too many times where not having that good jump has screwed my over.
RE: Sonic
Yeah, he does seem a bit weak but straight up fighting doesn't seem his fighting style anyways. The style that seems to work best with Sonic is one where you quickly move in, make a couple of quick attacks and then get the hell out of the melee.
pffff...Yoshi is a nuisiance when he is a CPU, but he is awesome when you play him.
"Yoshi." (Swallows Bowser)
I like his hovering Double Jump. That is an awesome recovery action. Pretty much the only recovery that Yoshi can do...
Heh, that reminds me about Link. Poor bastard, he's awesome at everything...except his recovery, which is ATROCIOUS.
It actually isn't as bad when you know a few hings, but it sort of sucks that you have to know them. Example, you can recover by using double jump, then the mid air dodge to move you horizontally and then shoot the hookshot after dodging and latch on to a side.
Yoshi is a nuisiance when he is a CPU, but he is awesome when you play him.
"Yoshi." (Swallows Bowser)
At first I thought Yoshi kinda sucked. Crappy recovery, meh attacks, pretty standard at everything, but not really great at anything. Then I slowly observed his greatest trait:
Absurd flinch resistance.
After watching for a while, I began to notice that occasionally Yoshi will not flinch even when an attack would usually cause a character to. This can be a great advantage.
I like his hovering Double Jump. That is an awesome recovery action. Pretty much the only recovery that Yoshi can do...
His egg toss is actually his recovery. Supposedly. I mean, he goes up. A bit.
It actually isn't as bad when you know a few hings, but it sort of sucks that you have to know them. Example, you can recover by using double jump, then the mid air dodge to move you horizontally and then shoot the hookshot after dodging and latch on to a side.
...And then the edgeguarder K. O.'s you. I know those techniques, but the real trick to recovery isn't just getting to the ledge. It's beating the edgeguarder. Ice Climbers, for instance, have AMAZING recovery due to that, and so does Pit. Link, meanwhile, has...well, his spin attack to get over the edgeguarder, which is quite possible worse than a normal jump.
At first I thought Yoshi kinda sucked. Crappy recovery, meh attacks, pretty standard at everything, but not really great at anything. Then I slowly observed his greatest trait:
Absurd flinch resistance.
After watching for a while, I began to notice that occasionally Yoshi will not flinch even when an attack would usually cause a character to. This can be a great advantage.
Isn't that related to how Brawl doesn't have hitstun more than it is tied to Yoshi's intrinsic attributes?
RE: Sonic
Yeah, he does seem a bit weak but straight up fighting doesn't seem his fighting style anyways. The style that seems to work best with Sonic is one where you quickly move in, make a couple of quick attacks and then get the hell out of the melee.
His attacks actually aren't that fast. Just his movement speed. The delay plus the low priority makes using him correctly tough.
Man, Pikachu is a stone cold killa.
Of course, the situation can easily be remedied by sitting back and just chucking things at the rat, but it's annoying to have to do that.
I was satisfied with the way they tuned down Samus, however. I thought she was just a tad bit too crazy in Melee.
Speaking of item chucking, Sonic is the ultimate character for the item bombardier. I also find he works pretty good with quick single strikes and traveling combos, but I think pretty much 3/4 of my KOs with Sonic have been with items.
Isn't that related to how Brawl doesn't have hitstun more than it is tied to Yoshi's intrinsic attributes?
Well, I don't quite know what you mean by "hitstun". What I'm talking about is that I have observed occasions when Yoshi will take a hit and will not react at all to it.
Basicly, it's like how Fox's laser doesn't make people flinch, yet does damage. I've seen Yoshi do that to attacks that don't usually have that no-flinch effect.
NOTE: I'm using the term "flinch" because I've seen references to "flinch resistance" on some of the stickers. It's just my assumption that Yoshi might have some "flinch resistance" built in. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, it might just be me.
His egg toss is actually his recovery. Supposedly. I mean, he goes up. A bit.
His ground pound is his recovery.
His ground pound is his recovery.
If he's in the air he just drops straight down right? Though if he's on the ground when done he does pop up into the air.
Well, I don't quite know what you mean by "hitstun". What I'm talking about is that I have observed occasions when Yoshi will take a hit and will not react at all to it.
Basicly, it's like how Fox's laser doesn't make people flinch, yet does damage. I've seen Yoshi do that to attacks that don't usually have that no-flinch effect.
NOTE: I'm using the term "flinch" because I've seen references to "flinch resistance" on some of the stickers. It's just my assumption that Yoshi might have some "flinch resistance" built in. I don't know if anyone else has noticed it, it might just be me.
Was Yoshi performing attacks when you saw him hit? I know that certain attacks used by heavy-weight characters grant immunity to flinching while they are being executed. For example, Ike can't be flinched while performing Aether. I didn't think Yoshi was in that category though...
Was Yoshi performing attacks when you saw him hit? I know that certain attacks used by heavy-weight characters grant immunity to flinching while they are being executed. For example, Ike can't be flinched while performing Aether. I didn't think Yoshi was in that category though...
I used Ike's Aether to beat Taboo easy on the hardest mode.
Was Yoshi performing attacks when you saw him hit? I know that certain attacks used by heavy-weight characters grant immunity to flinching while they are being executed. For example, Ike can't be flinched while performing Aether. I didn't think Yoshi was in that category though...
Nope, he was just walking. And continued walking. I'm really sorry that I can't remember what he got hit by. I think it was a projectile of some sort, but for the life of me I can't think of what it was. Maybe I'll have to go play it later and test stuff out.
(Attack X) has Armor Frames.
Falcon PUNCH!!!
Here's a hilarity note: Captain Falcon's Manly Color!
I've noticed that Captain Falcon and Ganondorf are clones- it's just that their damage types are different.
Yeah, I'm still a bit suprised about how many "pallate swap" characters there still are. I do think that Brawl made a good effort at actually making the clones different this time. I mean, even look at CF and Ganon. Even though they share specials, otherwise they are completely different. Falcon is impressivly fast, yet Ganon is the slowest character in the game. They also have unique basic move sets and Final Smashes.
I am disappointed that all the Star Fox characters shar the Land Master FS, even if they are slightly different (they range in power, and the more powerful they are the less time they last).
They STILL have the same basic B punch.
Falcon PUNCH!!!
I love the special taunt that Snake can do against Falcon on Shadow Moses. Hearing Otacon attempt to scream "FALCON KIIIIIIICK!" is hilarious! :D
In melee I think everyone had a clone.
Well, that's obviously a hyperbole, but there were some strange similarities between completely different characters. Peach and Zelda had very similar body structures, used weapon items (beam swords, lipstick, bats, etc.) in the exact same style, and had similar down-tilts. Also, the move-swap hack thingy works surprisingly well between the two of them.
I am disappointed that all the Star Fox characters shar the Land Master FS, even if they are slightly different (they range in power, and the more powerful they are the less time they last).
Yeah- what's up with that?
I love the special taunt that Snake can do against Falcon on Shadow Moses. Hearing Otacon attempt to scream "FALCON KIIIIIIICK!" is hilarious! :D
Oh, yes- I remember that one! :D
At least I theorize as much. One of the reasons I've been trying with Ice climbers is that I felt they were probably viewed as sort of joke characters so I want to figure out how to make them kick ass.
Ive found that getting close works, the funny thing is about having 2 sprites is that if one is grabbed the other can swat the grabber before they can do anything.
...Though I still don't believe Captain Falcon is deadly in Brawl. I can Falcon Punch bait like a villain, and I STILL need a load of items and luck to win.
Ike: Countered B----!
...Though I still don't believe Captain Falcon is deadly in Brawl. I can Falcon Punch bait like a villain, and I STILL need a load of items and luck to win.
I think that just means that Captain Falcon isn't deadly with your style, not that Captain Falcon isn't deadly.
No, he really DOES suck. He's like Sonic, an item bombardier, because his moves BLOW compared to Melee and Original...but he's much easier to target and doesn't have the added mobility granted by speedy moves Sonic has.
And yet he does just fine compared to other characters. Sure seems to get an awful lot of KOs for such a sucky character.
And yet he does just fine compared to other characters. Sure seems to get an awful lot of KOs for such a sucky character.
*Sigh*
I really don't want to go through mathematical analysis and comparisons again after the last result was just stubbornness, so just trust me here: Falcon BLOWS. His Knee of Justice AND his comboability, both of which he lived for, were nerfed to oblivion. His one strength is dancing, but dancing isn't good enough when everyone else can counter it. He doesn't even have the speed advantage, which further hurts him.
I've noticed that Captain Falcon and Ganondorf are clones- it's just that their damage types are different. They STILL have the same basic B punch.
Falcon PUNCH!!!
Here's a hilarity note: Captain Falcon's Manly Color!
What irks me about that is: Ganondorf has a sword. He should really use that sword...
so just trust me here
Wait, you expect me to take something on your word alone? When I've never seen anything to make me trust your judgement over my own, nor anything to make me think that Captain Falcon is a particularly sucky character?
That's a bit of an unreasonable expectation, don't you think?
Wait, you expect me to take something on your word alone? When I've never seen anything to make me trust your judgement over my own, nor anything to make me think that Captain Falcon is a particularly sucky character?
That's a bit of an unreasonable expectation, don't you think?
Scroll to...the first page, I think it is. I linked Rake to an analysis on WHY MetaKnight is, by far, the best character. Now, I could:
A) Do that again...and you'd see that literally EVERY competitive Smash board considers Falcon a trainwreck whose matchups are, at best, 60-40 affairs against him, and usually 70-30 trainwrecks...
B) Give you a detailed breakdown of Falcon's moves and compare them to benchmarks of their category.
C) Explain why the concept of no-hitstun is a disaster for him and how his Knee of Justice was destroyed, thus explaining the two main reasons for his massive collapse (that is, the loss of his good aerial game AND his good ability to chain moves)...
D) ...Or just try to get you to trust my judgment, because you'll probably dismiss the proof offhand, in spite of how its pretty obvious how he's nowhere near as good as he was in Melee and Original if you look at his moves and his properties, especially because I've won several ranked tourneys with him in those two games while I've been schooled by Link, of all characters in Brawl.
...So I went with D, because I don't feel like doing any effort if it's not gonna have any good results.
How often does one play 1v1 in SSB? Isn't it usually a battle royal with 4 people most of time? When there are 4 people in the fight then 1v1 matchups are sort of pointless because, for the most part, nobody is fighting 1v1.
Mostly I do 2v2 or 4 ffa.
Or 2v1 if the one guy is good.
How often does one play 1v1 in SSB? Isn't it usually a battle royal with 4 people most of time? When there are 4 people in the fight then 1v1 matchups are sort of pointless because, for the most part, nobody is fighting 1v1.
Actually, 4-ways tend to degenerate into 1v1 or full-stock K. O. Against bad players, you camp it out and wait for them to kill each other, fighting them one by one when they come. Good players either team up or take you out of the fray with their attacks.
...So yeah, it's pretty much 1v1 with a little extra environmental damage. :P
Actually, 4-ways tend to degenerate into 1v1 or full-stock K. O. Against bad players, you camp it out and wait for them to kill each other, fighting them one by one when they come. Good players either team up or take you out of the fray with their attacks.
...So yeah, it's pretty much 1v1 with a little extra environmental damage. :P
Well then you're not doing a 4-way cuz you're purposely setting it up as a 1v1. So when using a character that is bad at most 1v1 you're putting yourself in a bad situation by doing this.
I can see the whole "be an ass and don't fight until everyone else is basically dead so that you have the clear advantage with life once it gets down to 1v1" maneuver but it seems to be against the whole point of a 4-way. A 4-way is suppose to be a 4-way. If you only like 1v1 and will only fight as in 1v1's then don't play 4-way. The fun in the 4-way is the randomness and its unpredictability. If you don't like it then don't play that kind of match in the first place.
If everyone else is doing the job for you, let them have a go at each other, I say. The randomness comes from items, not 4ways. What's changes things more, a hammer/Smash Ball or another player?
And you seem to be bagging on characters without considering items. If all the fun comes with items then why are you keeping items out of the equation when comparing characters? Items are a part of the game.
Snake- Like my Fire Camo Suit? It helps me blend in with fire. :D
Link- Um, I can see a couple of potential problems with that.
Snake- Like what?
Link- Well, for one thing- you're on FIRE.
Snake- So?
Link- Another thing- taking the fact that you're on fire, don't you think that when people see a flaming fireball running toward them, don't you think they would want to run away?
Snake- So, what's your point?
Link- Still got the reciept? :D
And you seem to be bagging on characters without considering items. If all the fun comes with items then why are you keeping items out of the equation when comparing characters? Items are a part of the game.
Because items are luck-based. If I get twenty starmen in a row, I don't need skill to win. Therefore, they don't count, since luck is not a player skill. It's the reason item bombardiers aren't highly regarded at all: if you have to depend on luck to win, you suck.
And I didn't say the fun came from items. I just said change and unpredictability come from items. Fun comes from baiting a moron with a bloody obvious Falcon Punch. :P
Because items are luck-based. If I get twenty starmen in a row, I don't need skill to win. Therefore, they don't count, since luck is not a player skill. It's the reason item bombardiers aren't highly regarded at all: if you have to depend on luck to win, you suck.
And I didn't say the fun came from items. I just said change and unpredictability come from items. Fun comes from baiting a moron with a bloody obvious Falcon Punch. :P
Nah. Items are part of the game.
I really didn't like how Ganondorf is basically just a copy/paste of Cpt. Falcon in melee. He knew magic, and was a skilled swordsman, I don't think he ever really went for the unarmed thing. Really irritates me. Does brawl have characters that are basically copies of others in it?
Yes- many.
- Lucas & Ness
- Fox, Falco, & Wolf
- Mario and Squigi (I just love saying that... :D - Luigi)
- Captain Falcon & Ganondorf
(pffff...)- Link & Toon Link
Nah. Items are part of the game.
Yes, and dice are part of D&D. Does this mean that the fun comes from them? Obviously not! It comes from the RP, the character building, etc. Same thing here.
And for the record, Dirty tried exactly the same argument. Since it was a non-sequiteur, I didn't even bother refuting it.
Yes, and dice are part of D&D. Does this mean that the fun comes from them? Obviously not! It comes from the RP, the character building, etc. Same thing here.
And for the record, Dirty tried exactly the same argument. Since it was a non-sequiteur, I didn't even bother refuting it.
So you are basically removing dice from D&D and then rating everything?
Ganondorf is a powerful wizard and a skilled warrior, so his specials should be magical in nature (with a weapon based one tossed in for melee) and his basic attacks should be sword strikes!
So you are basically removing dice from D&D and then rating everything?
Pretty much, except for smash balls since they're part of the characters, luck based though they might be. Which is exactly what CharOp does, mind you. ;)
Why the HELL is Ganondorf still a copy of Falcon? I can understand Mario and Luigi, cuz they're brothers, and developed similar styles, kid link is link when he relied on different tactics (sue to his different physical capabilities) but Ganon and Falcon have NOTHING in common.
Ganondorf is a powerful wizard and a skilled warrior, so his specials should be magical in nature (with a weapon based one tossed in for melee) and his basic attacks should be sword strikes!
Here, Here!!!
Yes, and dice are part of D&D. Does this mean that the fun comes from them? Obviously not! It comes from the RP, the character building, etc. Same thing here.
And for the record, Dirty tried exactly the same argument. Since it was a non-sequiteur, I didn't even bother refuting it.
Um no. To me items are a big part of the game. Both for randomness, fun and for the showing of skill. When playing most everyone has items most all the time. It would seem completely stupid to compare characters without comparing their abilities to use different items and comparing what items they are weak against. Items are a huge part of the game unless one strictly plays with no items.
A: Take Ike's A moveset
B: Chargable Dark Ball (Take Mew's B)
^B: Teleport That Damages (Shiek ^B)
vB: Dark Shield (Fox's Reflector)
>B: Magic Boosted Sword Strike (A powerful and quick "smash" attack)
Why the HELL is Ganondorf still a copy of Falcon? I can understand Mario and Luigi, cuz they're brothers, and developed similar styles, kid link is link when he relied on different tactics (sue to his different physical capabilities) but Ganon and Falcon have NOTHING in common.
Ganondorf is a powerful wizard and a skilled warrior, so his specials should be magical in nature (with a weapon based one tossed in for melee) and his basic attacks should be sword strikes!
It's a balance problem, I believe. Seriously, did you see the guy's size? Giving him a sword would be a bit like sticking Sephiroth in. His Masamune woul outrange the other characters so much you could full-stock other characters without taking a single percent of damage. And magic would be insanely abusive, so they decided to use the size = slow, big striker classic.
It's a balance problem, I believe. Seriously, did you see the guy's size? Giving him a sword would be a bit like sticking Sephiroth in. His Masamune woul outrange the other characters so much you could full-stock other characters without taking a single percent of damage. And magic would be insanely abusive, so they decided to use the size = slow, big striker classic.
Oh, GOD!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sephiroth is a living Hell!!!!!
Um no. To me items are a big part of the game. Both for randomness, fun and for the showing of skill. When playing most everyone has items most all the time. It would seem completely stupid to compare characters without comparing their abilities to use different items and comparing what items they are weak against. Items are a huge part of the game unless one strictly plays with no items.
...Yeah. Because "Get a Hammer, make a mockery of the other three players" is such an esoteric subject.
Seriously, ALL characters are vulnerable to the same items, just to different degrees. A lightweight is obviously gonna fly further away if you launch an item at them than a heavyweight, but that's about the only difference. If you take movesets into account (like Reflector), you can just discard certain items against certain characters, which is also pretty obvious.
Seriously, items are okay and all, but I'll repeat: luck does not count for a character's worth. So they're pointless in a comparison, besides "Sonic and Falcon rely on items because their moves suck" or something like that.
It's a balance problem, I believe. Seriously, did you see the guy's size? Giving him a sword would be a bit like sticking Sephiroth in. His Masamune woul outrange the other characters so much you could full-stock other characters without taking a single percent of damage. And magic would be insanely abusive, so they decided to use the size = slow, big striker classic.
Make the attacks slower, and make it to where there is a slight pause so that way you have a chance of getting close and giving him a beating, and the magic would simply work as ranged attacks, kinda like Samus' missiles or power blast.
And even if the character was broken, a skilled player would still be able to beat him.
...Yeah. Because "Get a Hammer, make a mockery of the other three players" is such an esoteric subject.
Seriously, ALL characters are vulnerable to the same items, just to different degrees. A lightweight is obviously gonna fly further away if you launch an item at them than a heavyweight, but that's about the only difference. If you take movesets into account (like Reflector), you can just discard certain items against certain characters, which is also pretty obvious.
Seriously, items are okay and all, but I'll repeat: luck does not count for a character's worth. So they're pointless in a comparison, besides "Sonic and Falcon rely on items because their moves suck" or something like that.
It isn't all about luck. Some characters are very good at stopping hammers other can't do such to save their lives. A hammer is quite powerful. It's even better if you have the skill to hit someone and kill them while they're using one. It's even better if you can learn to dodge such attempts. It's not all luck when dealing with items. There is quite a bit of skill and experience involved with their usage.
Make the attacks slower, and make it to where there is a slight pause so that way you have a chance of getting close and giving him a beating, and the magic would simply work as ranged attacks, kinda like Samus' missiles or power blast.
And even if the character was broken, a skilled player would still be able to beat him.
See, THIS is why cop-outs are allowed in the competitive gaming business. Making a character intentionally broken and then setting him loose is NOT an option, Bane.
And how slow would he need to be to compensate for insane range? Seriously, making a tilt slower than a Falcon Punch isn't right.
It isn't all about luck. Some characters are very good at stopping hammers other can't do such to save their lives. A hammer is quite powerful. It's even better if you have the skill to hit someone and kill them while they're using one. It's even better if you can learn to dodge such attempts. It's not all luck when dealing with items. There is quite a bit of skill and experience involved with their usage.
(NOTE: This is just from my experience in Melee, I don't know how it is in Brawl)
Hammers actually seem to be detrimental, IMO. They slow down your movement rate, they limit your ability to jump (I think the jump height was cut in half, and you couldn't double jump) They can hit really hard, but you can't hit what outruns you.
It isn't all about luck. Some characters are very good at stopping hammers other can't do such to save their lives. A hammer is quite powerful. It's even better if you have the skill to hit someone and kill them while they're using one. It's even better if you can learn to dodge such attempts. It's not all luck when dealing with items. There is quite a bit of skill and experience involved with their usage.
Step 1: Get the best item.
Step 2: Wait until the enemy exposes himself.
Step 3: Use.
...Yeah. Really strategic. The best items are too good to consider in an analysis, dirty, and you can't take the luck factor seriously without getting laughed off of any serious analysis. If I have a mirror match against an inferior player, but the player brings me down to my last stock from full due to three starmen in a row before I kill him without losing any %, is my opponent a nearly equal player in skill to me?
Of course not. He got lucky. Therefore, it makes no sense to take something that can let a disastrous player win over a good player into account when comparing characters.
(NOTE: This is just from my experience in Melee, I don't know how it is in Brawl)
Hammers actually seem to be detrimental, IMO. They slow down your movement rate, they limit your ability to jump (I think the jump height was cut in half, and you couldn't double jump) They can hit really hard, but you can't hit what outruns you.
Problem is, in most stages, you can lock characters because of cramped corners. So being outrun is not a problem, since the enemy is still going to get smacked and K. O.'ed.
Problem is, in most stages, you can lock characters because of cramped corners. So being outrun is not a problem, since the enemy is still going to get smacked and K. O.'ed.
I don't know about brawl, but melee had a ton of stages where there were multiple levels to the battlefield (such as Hyrule Temple) so you could just keep moving. And even a stage like the pokemon stadium could help you escape the hammer. Jump off the edge, (preferably use this as link, young link, or samus) and use the Z button to grab onto the edge. Wait till the hammer goes 'way. Then, pop back up and move in to kill. I am really good at escaping hammers.
I don't know about brawl, but melee had a ton of stages where there were multiple levels to the battlefield (such as Hyrule Temple) so you could just keep moving. And even a stage like the pokemon stadium could help you escape the hammer. Jump off the edge, (preferably use this as link, young link, or samus) and use the Z button to grab onto the edge. Wait till the hammer goes 'way. Then, pop back up and move in to kill. I am really good at escaping hammers.
...You dropped off a ledge on purpose?
...Just who were you playing against?
There seems to be no point discussing this with you Arms especially when you don't seem to be taking many features of the game serious enough to bother even analyze them. I'm sorry that you feel it necessary to hand wave much of the game.
That's our Arms.
There seems to be no point discussing this with you Arms especially when you don't seem to be taking many features of the game serious enough to bother even analyze them. I'm sorry that you feel it necessary to hand wave much of the game.
Well, your point is like saying "Hey, my 3.X monk scored twenty critical hits last session! He's much better than the wizard!", though (probably) less exaggerated. Luck isn't controllable, dirty, so you can't take it into account. Therefore, items matter as much as using "Random Stage" does, that is, it doesn't count for anything.
...You dropped off a ledge on purpose?
...Just who were you playing against?
jump off the ledge, use the grappling hook/beam ray, and you are impossible to hit, but can still get back on the field of battle. I always do that when in the pokemon stadium and someone grabs a hammer. Can NEVER get me like that. It's an awesome tactic.
...Grab. Follow, rack up a few hits, spike back. I mean, you're setting yourself up for a K. O. like that. Staying immobile...isn't a good idea, to say the least. The other players can toy with you then.
I thought we were talking about 1v1?
Well, your point is like saying "Hey, my 3.X monk scored twenty critical hits last session! He's much better than the wizard!", though (probably) less exaggerated. Luck isn't controllable, dirty, so you can't take it into account. Therefore, items matter as much as using "Random Stage" does, that is, it doesn't count for anything.
That's not at all what I'm saying. That's what you think I'm saying because you're not bothering to pay attention.
...Grab. Follow, rack up a few hits, spike back. I mean, you're setting yourself up for a K. O. like that. Staying immobile...isn't a good idea, to say the least. The other players can toy with you then.
the only way they can get me is if they jump off the stage after me, which is suicide if they try to attack me. As soon as the hammer rage finishes, I hit jump and get propelled WAAAY up high in the air, out of their reach, direct my fall to the center of the stage, then start beating faces in. It works perfectly for me. (No one I know can pull it off properly)
I thought we were talking about 1v1?
even if there are multiple players, I'm pretty much safe. They have to jump directly off the edge, and hit me. Pokemon stadium in melee doesn't really have anything you can land on to get back onstage, so they eventually gave up when I did that and just bashed each other around.
the only way they can get me is if they jump off the stage after me, which is suicide if they try to attack me. As soon as the hammer rage finishes, I hit jump and get propelled WAAAY up high in the air, out of their reach, direct my fall to the center of the stage, then start beating faces in. It works perfectly for me. (No one I know can pull it off properly)
Since I don't have the time to look for an original vid right now, this'll have to do. Brawl+, how to counter that strategy. Starts at 1:50, then last until 1:56. ZSS gains the advantage by making sure Sheik can't come back and cause havoc in a tradeoff. Given Melee's physics, it should be easy to do something like that AND come back.
Since I don't have the time to look for an original vid right now, this'll have to do. Brawl+, how to counter that strategy. Starts at 1:50, then last until 1:56. ZSS gains the advantage by making sure Sheik can't come back and cause havoc in a tradeoff. Given Melee's physics, it should be easy to do something like that AND come back.
that's why I only use it when they have the hammer. They can't do that when swinging a hammer, you need finesse to pull that off.
that's why I only use it when they have the hammer. They can't do that when swinging a hammer, you need finesse to pull that off.
...But if I've chased you off of the ledge, I can wait you out. Only someone who's too arrogant or confident goes out jumping into the abyss with the hammer. I still don't get how it could possibly work.
...But if I've chased you off of the ledge, I can wait you out. Only someone who's too arrogant or confident goes out jumping into the abyss with the hammer. I still don't get how it could possibly work.
You have to properly direct your fall. Also, I like to play 4v4, so generally hammer-boy is too busy fighting off anyone that survived his onslaught to deal with me. But mainly, you just gotta direct the fall properly. It's a tactic that you have to refine and practice a lot before it becomes viable. I had a LOT of free time.
But there IS no fall to direct. You're hanging from a ledge. You're a sitting duck. I can't touch you, but if you get up, you get K. O.'ed. I must be missing something here...
if you hit the jump button (while in that position), you get sent flying into the air, and then you can direct the fall.
Melee on Gamecube was our favorite game. Mr. Game&Watch on Hyrule was the best set up.
Also liked playing Falco, Roy, occasionally Mario, and Shiek when I wanted to annoy the others (the chain whip was so fun to smack people hanging from the ledges:D )
Do you always pick Metaknight, because he's the best?
If I pick Wolf, do you automatically pick someone who has an advantage over him?
Do you actually intentionally stay out of four-way brawls for extended periods of time, while playing casually, with friends?
Do you whine about "item-screw" when the hammer drops beside one of your opponents, or a smash ball appears in a place you cannot hope to reach first, and you die because of it?
Do you mock people (friends or others) who use "bad" characters like captain falcon or bowser? Do you gloat if/when you beat them? Are the words "I told you so" involved in any way?
...stop asking questions like that. It makes YOU look like an ass, not me. Honestly, what kind of player do you think I am? I enjoy playing strong characters, but that doesn't mean I'm going to gloat and mock everyone else (unless I came back from legitimately being down 10 stocks and won over everyone else or something :P). Seriously, D_S, don't be ridiculous.
Because people like to dismiss it offhand to support their own inconsequential anecdotal experience, and it gets on my nerves.
This seems to be what you're doing.
This seems to be what you're doing.
...I'm not even going to bother answering to this. Really, I'd start flaming and I want to keep my composure.
...stop asking questions like that. It makes YOU look like an ass, not me. Honestly, what kind of player do you think I am? I enjoy playing strong characters, but that doesn't mean I'm going to gloat and mock everyone else (unless I came back from legitimately being down 10 stocks and won over everyone else or something :P). Seriously, D_S, don't be ridiculous.
This, after two and a half pages of "you're wrong, I'm right, and I have the math to back it up!" the worst example of which being when Escher noted that Captain Falcon tends to get a lot of KOs and that he though Captain Falcon was "fine" you responded with:
*Sigh*
I really don't want to go through mathematical analysis and comparisons again after the last result was just stubbornness, so just trust me here: Falcon BLOWS. His Knee of Justice AND his comboability, both of which he lived for, were nerfed to oblivion. His one strength is dancing, but dancing isn't good enough when everyone else can counter it. He doesn't even have the speed advantage, which further hurts him.
Yes, you're probably right. However, people are still going to disagree with you, based on personal preference and personal experience. No, this does not give you a right to be abrasive or condescending. Escher himself managed to disagree with you without doing either.
Oh, and I'd like a real answer to my second question. Saying "it depends" and then not stating what factors your decision depends on is just a neat little way of dodging the question.
Finally, on a more lighthearted note; while the "Smash Community" may call the Cap's forward air attack the "knee of justice", my friends and I always called it "electric..." (said while jumping at the enemy) "KNEECAP!!!" (as it connects and probably kills someone). Picture it said in Captain Falcon's voice.
And yes, I was unnecessarily abrasive. I was coming off of TWO arguments in which the results were stubbornness, so I didn't feel like jumping right into a third one and investing any effort in my responses. Sorry, guys.
See, THIS is why cop-outs are allowed in the competitive gaming business. Making a character intentionally broken and then setting him loose is NOT an option, Bane.
Akuma would like to have a word with you...
Akuma would like to have a word with you...
If you're talking about ST Akuma, he's banned by Capcom itself. If you're talking about ANY other Akumas...he's legal, and for good reason. Even HD remix's Akuma, which is unintentionally broken. :P
Mostly I abuse the Counter, then combine with an upwards Smash Attack. Or twenty.
Yeah, I've heard of fighting fair and I want no part in it.
I suppose you're one of those fighting game "purists" who thinks fighting games can only take place between two characters, require a life bar, and elaborate, ridiculous button combinations to perform special moves that are ultimately foiled by noobs who just mash the controller.
Really, what other genre would you file SSB under? Party games? I guess, maybe?
Oh, and Samus/Pikachu. IT WAS IN THE STORY MODE! YOU ALL SAW IT!
Lord, no. SSB just... I dunno. Isn't a fighting game.
"RANDOM OUT-OF-NOWHERE EXPLOSION, GAME, SET, AND MATCH" is a bit of a meme in my group.
EDIT: Also.
That's the sickest crack shipping I've ever seen.
Not that way. :<
Lord, no. SSB just... I dunno. Isn't a fighting game.
"RANDOM OUT-OF-NOWHERE EXPLOSION, GAME, SET, AND MATCH" is a bit of a meme in my group.
Yeah, to be a true fighting game, it would require:
"SPECIAL ATTACK! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! PERFECT VICTORY!"
:D
PS: I've heard SSB described as a "Mascot Fighter", but I personally prefer "Party Fighter".
Yeah, to be a true fighting game, it would require:
"SPECIAL ATTACK! SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM! PERFECT VICTORY!"
:D
PS: I've heard SSB described as a "Mascot Fighter", but I personally prefer "Party Fighter".
I actually like both of those definitions.
Ike, Mr. Game & Watch, Sonic, Lucario, Toon Link :D
Doing SSBB right
And that is and all ways will be the biggest pile of horseshit ever, especially his feelings on Marth, edge guarding, and spamming.
And that is and all ways will be the biggest pile of horseshit ever, especially his feelings on Marth, edge guarding, and spamming.
Well, the whole thing is, of course, personal opinion wrapped up in a humorous way. It seems many of the things he found "unmanly" were things that he probably personally dislikes, like how Olimar's pikmen, the unique characteristic that actually makes him different than the other characters, are apparently "not manly". He seems to think that "manly" characters like Ganon should be allowed to fight at full power, but that characters like Ice Climbers should fight at a handycap or are not "manly". It's likely that he has simply had bad experiences with "teamup" characters.
He is right though. Jigglypuff is the most manly character in the game.
I don't think you were supposed to take it seriously.
Finally somebody got it; it's a total parody on the serious business of SSBB.
It's a funny video that tries to bring a balance between playing for fun and playing to win, by playing with style.
He has a big sword and aether looks sweet.
Smash Bors Brawl is to Smash Bros Melee what 4th is to 3.5.
That description, while neither positive nor negative in it's context, is just inaccurate. I can see what you meant, but I don't think that is a good example.
A better one would be Brawl is to Melee as Pathfinder is to 3.5.
4th edition is significantly different than 3.5, whereas Pathfinder is mostly the same, with just some adaptations and expanded concepts.
I play Ike.
He has a big sword and aether looks sweet.
I like Ike- especially with his Side A smash attack- that attack owns all!!! MWHAHA!!! :evillaugh
Dededee is one of the top teir characters *And one of my mains even before I found out he was top teir*. Waddledee spamming is fun especially when you throw out a random smashball when Items are turned off.
:OMG! That happens?! I have a newfound respect for DeDeDe.
That happens?!
Yes, and when it does, the real party starts.
Yes, and when it does, the real party starts.
And then my brother kills it with Pikachu.
, but oh-so-much fun to play as, especially his Back Kick Mid-Air Meteor Smash. :D DK is hella awesome, too, and there's nothing I love more than using a B move that charges something or blows something up with a "PAUNCH!" effect attached; having a Charge move that also gives a good "PAUNCH!" is like winning the Lottery during sex. :D:DAlso play DeDeDe, but only in actual Brawls, though, 'cause he's kinda boring in 1-on-1 fights.
I play Ike.
He has a big sword and aether looks sweet.
GOD, they made him such a ***. "I fight for my friends." Totally unnecessary.
Oh, yeah, and
Tiers, really; Skill > Tier. ;)
Mostly 'cause I don't like reseting so much and lower level characters add a challenge, but still.
Still, the way they make him sound...UGH. >: (
Is it just me, or is the theme song pimpin'?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vr0tdNweEDc&feature=related
And I just ruined it forever.
Mario: Oh, yeah... HEYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!
Link: Hmmm... EEEYYYYAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Toon Link: Hoh... TEYYAAAAA!!!
Wario: EEWAAAHOOO!!!
Zelda: Haa... HAAAAA!!!
Sheik: Hooo... HUUUUUUUH!!!
Yoshi: UWHOA!!!
Pit: Battle Troops- MOVE OOUUT!!!
Lucario: Watch the Power of Aura! HHOOOOOOOOOORRRRRAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Captain Falcon: C'mon! BLUE FALCON!!!
Fox: LANDMASTER!!!
Falco: Personally, I'd prefer the END!!!
Wolf: We're gonna have fun with this thing!!!
Meta Knight: Know my Power!!! -or- BEHOLD!
Sonic: Now, I'll Show You!!! ERRRRAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!
Snake: It's Show Time!!!
Pokemon Trainer: Take this- TRIPLE FINISH!!! It's super effective!
Jigglypuff: JIGGLYYYYYY!!!
Pikachu: PikA- CHUUUUUUUUUU!!!
Ike: Great AETHERRRR!!!
Ness & Lucas: PK STARSTORRMMM!!!
Donkey Kong: Ready- GOOO!!!