So to answer your question: because running a marathon isn't in my fitness goals, so it's not something I'm aiming for and won't attempt.
Those are all horrible excuses...
Until he does it on Sand, and runs 3x a week about that that distance each day he runs I'm not impressed.
i have no will, want or need to do so.
I'm not a runner, it just doesn't interest me. So that's the real reason why I'm not going to run a marathon
When the zombies come... they will eat you first.
Sorry, but you'd be drawing the short straw on that particular apocalypse if that's the only reason you run marathons
That's horrible... everyone should run a marathon at least once in their life.
Eh. It's on my list of things to do when I hit 50. Along with sky-diving skiing.
That's horrible... everyone should run a marathon at least once in their life.
Why?
Because I said so. Now start running.
The hours of your life you've saved by running a marathon against an untiring, unrelenting, flesheating undead, I've already spent doing things I enjoy instead of practicing for that unlikely event.
*Knock knock*
"Who is there?"
"Braiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiins!!!"
They are coming for you.
Sorry, but you'd be drawing the short straw on that particular apocalypse if that's the only reason you run marathons
Not the only reason. It's good to stay in shape. I'm not sure why you would be against being healthy...
Plu must be an American if he approves of unhealthiness.
He must be. An undercover American in Europe...
By the way... why aren't you running? I told you to start running you little Quebecois
Not the only reason. It's good to stay in shape. I'm not sure why you would be against being healthy...
I'm not against being healthy, just against marathons as a means to become/stay healthy
That's horrible... everyone should run a marathon at least once in their life.
why? i don't see any reason to. if you want to, knock yourself out, but i'm perfectly happy watching anime, playing videogames and, to quote the Fresh Prince: chillin', maxin' & relaxin'. pool optional.
as for zombies:
i live on canada's smallest province. our towns don't have a high population density: Charlottetown, our capital where i live, has a population of 32000 (60000 with the census agglomeration) has a pop.density of 725.8/km2 in the city & 80.5/km2 in the metro area.
zombies are sacks of hamburger, have a pretty horrible way of breeding (it requires them to bite... with a human mouth), unable to heal themselves (zombies are pretty much always seen in a state of decay) or regulate their internal heat (lack of organs & whatnot). mobility is not known to be their strong suite
their natural predators is pretty much any scavenger animal around... in addition to the top of the food chain: humans (you know, the race that invented guns & bombs) & insects (who several species rather enjoy laying their babies in carcasses).
a single zombie is hardly a threat and they require a large mass to be properly dangerous. in our sparcely populated areas, a few humans could pick them off much faster then they could clumsily reproduce.
and that's not considering the fact that in summer, the decay would speed up and in the winter they would get freezer burn.
at best, zombies require an early spring or mid-late autumn attack and it needs to be done VERY fast. zombies i'm not worried about.
zombies are sacks of hamburger, have a pretty horrible way of breeding (it requires them to bite... with a human mouth), unable to heal themselves (zombies are pretty much always seen in a state of decay) or regulate their internal heat (lack of organs & whatnot). mobility is not known to be their strong suite
their natural predators is pretty much any scavenger animal around... in addition to the top of the food chain: humans (you know, the race that invented guns & bombs) & insects (who several species rather enjoy laying their babies in carcasses).
a single zombie is hardly a threat and they require a large mass to be properly dangerous. in our sparcely populated areas, a few humans could pick them off much faster then they could clumsily reproduce.
and that's not considering the fact that in summer, the decay would speed up and in the winter they would get freezer burn.
at best, zombies require an early spring or mid-late autumn attack and it needs to be done VERY fast. zombies i'm not worried about.
See, the problem I have with arguments like this is that you're expecting a creature that's already broken the rules to play by the rest of them...
*dons fireretardant suit*
That's horrible... everyone should run a marathon at least once in their life.
why? i don't see any reason to. if you want to, knock yourself out, but i'm perfectly happy watching anime, playing videogames and, to quote the Fresh Prince: chillin', maxin' & relaxin'. pool optional.
Quoting Will Smith songs... Zombies will starve if they try to eat your brain.
Plu must be an American if he approves of unhealthiness.
He must be. An undercover American in Europe...
By the way... why aren't you running? I told you to start running you little Quebecois
I am.
Good. Now run faster!!!
It's a very common way of thinking amongst 3.5e players
*dons fireretardant suit*
Who you callin' retardant?
Anyhoo, I don't like running. I can, but I don't like it. My legs are also built for things other than running. I don't have bird legs like marathon runners do. So meh to running. Meh, I say!
I also find it interesting that the sumo is gonna, apparently, attempt to swim the English channel. I don't think there'll be much swimming involved, but maybe he can set the record for fattest human to float the span.
See, the problem I have with arguments like this is that you're expecting a creature that's already broken the rules to play by the rest of them...
except we only have our own frame of reference to work with? zombies in the media is usually portrayed as entirely a Human VS Zombie thing without really dealing with the whole "nature/environment" thing. hell other then "OMG ZOMBIES" and the way they are explained as arising (Virus/Voodoo/nanobots/whatnot), we really don't know what rules they do abide by.
so yeah, unless stated otherwise, i feel perfectly justified expecting them to work within the rules, other then the base ones they broke.
also, really H_S? coming from you, i don't know if i should laugh or pat you on the head and dissmiss you with a "that's nice" :P .
So what you I call you? Master? Coach? Jesus? Converted Euro?
You can call me your Lord-and-savior Super-Coach-awesome-most-amazingly-cool-Squirrel... Daddy for short
See, the problem I have with arguments like this is that you're expecting a creature that's already broken the rules to play by the rest of them...
except we only have our own frame of reference to work with? zombies in the media is usually portrayed as entirely a Human VS Zombie thing without really dealing with the whole "nature/environment" thing. hell other then "OMG ZOMBIES" and the way they are explained as arising (Virus/Voodoo/nanobots/whatnot), we really don't know what rules they do abide by.
so yeah, unless stated otherwise, i feel perfectly justified expecting them to work within the rules, other then the base ones they broke.
also, really H_S? coming from you, i don't know if i should laugh or pat you on the head and dissmiss you with a "that's nice" :P .
That's what happens for listening to Will Smith.
Just my personal opinion. I don't mind running at all while playing baseball/basketball/etc.
I started doing somt H.I.I.T. (high intensity internal training) training. It kills.
I alternate my routines. Every other day I lift. The H.I.I.T. leaves you worn out... if you do it right.
Take her to Florida for your honey moon... during the tournament.
I alternate my routines. Every other day I lift. The H.I.I.T. leaves you worn out... if you do it right.
Can't. She already made plans and spent money. Yay.
Take her to Florida for your honey moon... during the tournament.
I alternate my routines. Every other day I lift. The H.I.I.T. leaves you worn out... if you do it right.
Can't. She already made plans and spent money. Yay.
Women...
I have a torn achiles tendon. Running right now basically feels like being shot in the heal with every step. Even walking feels like being repeatedly stabbed with a red hot needle.
[Serious Reply] That sucks dude. How did you tear your achuiles tendon?
[Silly Response] That's no excuse! Crawl!!!
Yup. I am the cause of many car accidents. I get in the middle of the road then I wait until the last minute before I dash away.
That reminds me of the (hysterical) Bridgestone commercial with the beaver.
I started doing somt H.I.I.T. (high intensity internal training) training. It kills.
FYI, P90X works. It's beyond a beast of a program.
I have a torn achiles tendon. Running right now basically feels like being shot in the heal with every step. Even walking feels like being repeatedly stabbed with a red hot needle.
[Serious Reply] That sucks dude. How did you tear your achuiles tendon?
Coincidentally, by running. Funny to think I may never be able to do that again.
[Silly Response] That's no excuse! Crawl!!!
It hasn't quite come to that…yet. I was reduced to crawling when I threw my back out, though. Now THAT was pain!
Yup. I am the cause of many car accidents. I get in the middle of the road then I wait until the last minute before I dash away.
That reminds me of the (hysterical) Bridgestone commercial with the beaver.I started doing somt H.I.I.T. (high intensity internal training) training. It kills.
FYI, P90X works. It's beyond a beast of a program.
P90X is amazing stuff. I just prefer a bit of outdoor running. I have a park across the street from my place that I go running sprints at. I start off with a slow run around the park. 2.5 laps is a mile, but i only run 1 lap as a warn up. Then I run 50 yards dash at full speed... and I mean full speed... as if a pittbull was chasing me. Then I jog or walk back to the start of the 50 yards (that is my rest period). Then I run another 50 yard dash at full speed. I do this for 10 minutes. Then I increase the distance to 100 yards and do the same routine for another ten minutes. After that I go back to 50 yard sprints and do another 5 minutes.
Firs time I tried doing this I almost passed out after the first 10 minutes. It kills you.
I have a torn achiles tendon. Running right now basically feels like being shot in the heal with every step. Even walking feels like being repeatedly stabbed with a red hot needle.
[Serious Reply] That sucks dude. How did you tear your achuiles tendon?
Coincidentally, by running. Funny to think I may never be able to do that again.
That sucks. My girlfriend got some micro-tears on both her achilies tendons a while back. She was having the worst pain ever. She could barely walk. She got it from running She decided to ignore my advice (as usual) and over did her running work out. She ran too fast, for too long. We (and by that I mean me) had to take her ot get a few x-rays and scans at the podietrist. He gave her some pain meds and told her it would be about 6 more weeks before she would be feeling any better. I say 6 more weeks because she had already waited 5 weeks before going to see the doctor.
If hers were that painful and they were only micro-tears, I would imagine that your's must have been horrendously painful.
[Silly Response] That's no excuse! Crawl!!!
It hasn't quite come to that…yet. I was reduced to crawling when I threw my back out, though. Now THAT was pain!
I bet. My cousin threw his back out lifting weights. He is one of these guys that thinks he has to do heavy weights all the time and do it wuick. He likes doing the circuit training thing where you go from one exercise to another with no rest. Went to do squats and nearly killed himself. Then he was out for a while because he threw out his back. Idiot.
P90X is amazing stuff. I just prefer a bit of outdoor running. I have a park across the street from my place that I go running sprints at. I start off with a slow run around the park. 2.5 laps is a mile, but i only run 1 lap as a warn up. Then I run 50 yards dash at full speed... and I mean full speed... as if a pittbull was chasing me. Then I jog or walk back to the start of the 50 yards (that is my rest period). Then I run another 50 yard dash at full speed. I do this for 10 minutes. Then I increase the distance to 100 yards and do the same routine for another ten minutes.
Firs time I tried doing this I almost passed out after the first 10 minutes. After that I go back to 50 yard sprints and do another 5 minutes. It kills you.
I'm not nearly in as good of shape as you any longer. Old, lazier, etc.
But I do have the goal to get back into 27 year old shape. Maybe I'll see if running offers anything more to men than it used to, although I do know that my knees are rather void of cartiledge thanks to years and years of baseball taking their toll. Short bursts are fine, long runs, not so much. I'll have to hunt down some rather excellent shoes.P90X is amazing stuff. I just prefer a bit of outdoor running. I have a park across the street from my place that I go running sprints at. I start off with a slow run around the park. 2.5 laps is a mile, but i only run 1 lap as a warn up. Then I run 50 yards dash at full speed... and I mean full speed... as if a pittbull was chasing me. Then I jog or walk back to the start of the 50 yards (that is my rest period). Then I run another 50 yard dash at full speed. I do this for 10 minutes. Then I increase the distance to 100 yards and do the same routine for another ten minutes.
Firs time I tried doing this I almost passed out after the first 10 minutes. After that I go back to 50 yard sprints and do another 5 minutes. It kills you.
I'm not nearly in as good of shape as you any longer. Old, lazier, etc.
You know, the shoes aren't as important as proper form. This is something I learned the hard way. I used to have bad knee pains before. Even my lower back would be hurting sometime when I woke up in the morning. That's why I use the funny looking toe-shoes you see as my avatar (many more picture in my profile by the way). They have no padding. It's like running barefoot. So you have to perfect your form. I haven't had knee pain in over a year. It isn't the shoes. It'sthat I changed my running form. I just really like the shoes
I like doing my sprints on the grass in the park. It is a softer surface and helps absorb some of the impact forces from running. I do my slow run around the park on the side-walk. Even with these shoes that have no padding, I don't feel any pain. The trick is changing your form from heel-striking to front-or-fore-foot striking. That's also one of the things that I like about the H.I.I.T. program. You are mainly sprinting so you are running much faster and landing on your fore-foot wit your knees bending at the right moment. You don't feel the same shock on your knees as you do during a slow and long run.
I tried sprinting on the street with the shoes I wear, but they ones I have are not designed for sprinting. They don't have enough traction to stop quickly. Now I just do it on the grass in case I can't stop quick enough and slip.
If I were you, I would try doing some sprints. try and beating your time speedwise and length of time doing it. It is a pretty good motivator since you can see results faster that way.
But I will still give it an honest and hard effort. I'm too competitive, with myself more than anyone, not to.
I'm not a runner, it just doesn't interest me. So that's the real reason why I'm not going to run a marathon
When the zombies come... they will eat you first.
You don't have to outrun the zombies, you just have to outrun the **** who can't man up and murder his own zombie-family. Other than that, I have a system.
1. Get to a mall.
2. Don't be a male reproductive organ.
3. Don't be a female reproductive organ.
Your system fails me. To get to a mall I would have to leave a sparsely populted area and head into a densely populated area. And it would involve a drive on the interstate.
Then get your own system. Independence is important in these scenarios. Though I think 2 and 3 are universally important, according to every zombie work ever.
Your system fails me. To get to a mall I would have to leave a sparsely populted area and head into a densely populated area. And it would involve a drive on the interstate.
There is no escape from the zombies.
EDIT: Not that I'm trying to downplay his achievement, just saying.
Anyone else notice that he walked over half the distance? Although a 13 minute mile pace is practically walking anyway.
EDIT: Not that I'm trying to downplay his achievement, just saying.
Yup... he walked half the distance, but at 400 lbs, it is pretty amazing he could walk that far. He also jogged the first 8 miles. Jogging 8 miles straigh, even at a slow pace is something a lot of people can't do. Jogging 8 miles and weighing 400 lbs is quite impresive.
Yup... he walked half the distance, but at 400 lbs, it is pretty amazing he could walk that far. He also jogged the first 8 miles. Jogging 8 miles straigh, even at a slow pace is something a lot of people can't do. Jogging 8 miles and weighing 400 lbs is quite impresive.
Quite true, but the way everyone was talking I thought he ran the entire way until I read the article. Not to mention I didn't even realize you could walk a marathon. I mean sure you could walk the same track, I just always thought there was like a time limit or something.
Yup... he walked half the distance, but at 400 lbs, it is pretty amazing he could walk that far. He also jogged the first 8 miles. Jogging 8 miles straigh, even at a slow pace is something a lot of people can't do. Jogging 8 miles and weighing 400 lbs is quite impresive.
Quite true, but the way everyone was talking I thought he ran the entire way until I read the article. Not to mention I didn't even realize you could walk a marathon. I mean sure you could walk the same track, I just always thought there was like a time limit or something.
Thee is. The 13 minute mile mentioned in the article is the pace set by the officials. When you finish a marathon, you get a medal, a shirt (smetimes), and there is usually a party with food and drinks (alcohol is provided). You just have to make the official time limit, ehich depending on the marathon, is usually around 4 - 5 hours. If you finish after that, you don't get the gifts and you usually end up missing the party.
It's a very common way of thinking amongst 3.5e players
*dons fireretardant suit*
Ooh!! I'm telling the leftist political correctness police on you! That's a firechallenged suit! No saying retard or any varient thereof. Tsk!
He also jogged the first 8 miles. Jogging 8 miles straigh, even at a slow pace is something a lot of people can't do. Jogging 8 miles and weighing 400 lbs is quite impresive.
I agree. I can jog to the mailbox, but that's about it. ;)
ya know what H_S? you can run all you want and i'll happily relax and play my video games, in the end we'll both end up at the same place... you're just trying to get there faster.
I think you got that backwards.
i could bloody care less if i die tomorrow or in 5, 10 or a 100 years since regardless of how well you took care of yourself, in the end, yer dead.
it doesn't matter if you spent your whole life running away from death, it will catch up eventually. i'd rather spend my time on earth doing stuff i, you know, actually like doing, rather then run around for no reason other then "it's healthy! Ha-hurp-a-durp!".
i don't see how living to be 100 is so great. i've known people who lived to 100+... my mum works with them and my great-grandmum lived to be 109 for example. and you know how many of those years were spent in a rocking chair doing not much else but living? a lot of them. i don't remember any time she wasn't just rocking back & forth, talking in a hushed whisper. same with a lot of those old people.
older folks who did actual physically demanding work their entire life since they didn't have all the amneneties we do... not just running around willy-nilly.
i'll worry about dying when the time comes, until then i'll actually be enjoying the time i have being alive.
On a related note, has anyone tried running long distances in any of those new barefoot running shoes (is that what they're called? or five toe shoes?)? I've been thinking about trying them out but the only guy I know who uses them is still getting used to them so I think the farthest he has run is like 3 miles. Any marathon runners use them?
You mean like the ones I have as my avatar picture? Take a look at my profile. There are several other pictures (different models). If you want to see a bunch of people that are not only into running marathons in the Vibram Five Fingers, but also completely barefoot, checkout Birthdayshoes.com
thing is H_S, either way, in the end you'll be dead.
I plan on stealing some of that Charlie Sheen tyger blood so I can be imortal.
i could bloody care less if i die tomorrow or in 5, 10 or a 100 years since regardless of how well you took care of yourself, in the end, yer dead.
it doesn't matter if you spent your whole life running away from death, it will catch up eventually. i'd rather spend my time on earth doing stuff i, you know, actually like doing, rather then run around for no reason other then "it's healthy! Ha-hurp-a-durp!".
i don't see how living to be 100 is so great. i've known people who lived to 100+... my mum works with them and my great-grandmum lived to be 109 for example. and you know how many of those years were spent in a rocking chair doing not much else but living? a lot of them. i don't remember any time she wasn't just rocking back & forth, talking in a hushed whisper. same with a lot of those old people.
older folks who did actual physically demanding work their entire life since they didn't have all the amneneties we do... not just running around willy-nilly.
i'll worry about dying when the time comes, until then i'll actually be enjoying the time i have being alive.
It's one thing to die... it's another to die painfully. Quality of life matters. In any case, I was joking around with you. No need to take it so seriously... you'll give yourself a heart attack
If you want to sit around that is your concern. I just brought up the article because I thought it was amazing that this 400 lbs guy finished a marathon, and there are people who come up with excuses why they don't even try to workout.
Besides, i just made fun of you quoting Will Smith. I mean... come on... Will Smith... as the Fresh Prince... Come on...
You mean like the ones I have as my avatar picture? Take a look at my profile. There are several other pictures (different models). If you want to see a bunch of people that are not only into running marathons in the Vibram Five Fingers, but also completely barefoot, checkout Birthdayshoes.com
Yes, exactly like those. Thanks for the link, that had plenty of good information.
You mean like the ones I have as my avatar picture? Take a look at my profile. There are several other pictures (different models). If you want to see a bunch of people that are not only into running marathons in the Vibram Five Fingers, but also completely barefoot, checkout Birthdayshoes.com
Yes, exactly like those. Thanks for the link, that had plenty of good information.
The shoes are awesomely confortable. I wear them for everything now. They are my every day shoes. Except when it gets really cold.
If there's anything my 4 years in the Army taught me, it is that I hate running.
And I just have more important things to do with my time, dedication, and resources.
Jim Fixx? As the stand up philosopher Leary observed, "Remember Jim Fixx? Did a jogging book, did a jogging video, and dropped dead of a massive heart attack when? When he was jogging, that's when."
Yeah, but there were other contributing factors to his death. He reminds me of a friend I have. This guy is a vegetarian and works out every day. Still, his Cholesterol is through the roof. You would swear this guy survives on a diet of fat and lard.
I'm guessing you did a lot of distance running with your gear while in the army right? Yeah, it isn't much fun to run around like that. Specially in boots.
I'm guessing you did a lot of distance running with your gear while in the army right? Yeah, it isn't much fun to run around like that. Specially in boots.
Nope. If you are in combat gear and running it is during combat training, which does not involve long runs (mostly relatively short sprints and 3-5 second rushes, you don't want to be exposed for very long in a combat environment). Most of the running I did was in running shoes, during PT (physical training). I just hated running. I was running over a dozen miles a week. May not sound like much to a runner, but to someone who was never the athletic type it was horrible.
I'm guessing you did a lot of distance running with your gear while in the army right? Yeah, it isn't much fun to run around like that. Specially in boots.
Nope. If you are in combat gear and running it is during combat training, which does not involve long runs (mostly relatively short sprints and 3-5 second rushes, you don't want to be exposed for very long in a combat environment). Most of the running I did was in running shoes, during PT (physical training). I just hated running. I was running over a dozen miles a week. May not sound like much to a runner, but to someone who was never the athletic type it was horrible.
I'm not a long distance runner; I am more of a sprinter. My runs are usually for short burts. When I do run for distance, it is usually 3 miles at most. So a dozen miles a week sounds pretty good to me. I just want to run a marathon. At least one, so I can say I did it. I was thinking of starting with a 5K first because I'm sure that would be pretty easy. Then I would go for a half mrathon. Finally I would run the full marathon. Here in Florida there is always some race going on. Disney also has a few cool runs in November. They have a prett cool marathon. After you finish you get to go to a party they have there.
I am of the firm belief that humans and horses are the two dumbest animals on Earth. Both have been known to run until they drop dead from exhaustion.
A battalion commander back in Germany decided to do a mega-marathon. It went from Castle Frankenstein on the outskirts of Darmstadt (yes, it's a real place), to Wiesbaden Army Airfield. IIRC, the route was around 42 miles. I didn't run in it, but I drove a van that we used to distribute water and pick up people who fell out.
I am of the firm belief that humans and horses are the two dumbest animals on Earth. Both have been known to run until they drop dead from exhaustion.
Those are referred to as ultrmarathons. They can go up to 100 miles. There are guys like Anton Krupicka who run these ultramarathons in ridiculous times.
I really have no problem with people that would rather spend their time here unconcerned with physical fitness and a healthy diet. Because I understand. Myself, I'm sort of a combination of both. Not cuz I wanna live forever but cuz I enjoy certain forms of exercise. So, it's time well spent no matter what. They always say 'you can't take it with you'. Well, that applies to sit ups, push ups, miles ran, etc just the same as material goods. In the end, none of it matters. Do what you enjoy and that's that.
Suffering through your youth to reach advanced age - when life starts to suck - is pretty silly. There's an awful lot of variables to consider and a lot of things that can happen between now and then. It may not be worth all the sacrifice. It may be, too. I dunno.
But yeah, I don't wanna live to be 100. I don't wanna live to be 90. Probably not even 80, to tell you the truth. If I get that far, I guarantee I'll be drinkin' an' smokin' an' eatin' steak every day. Cuz, at that point, what's the point of ignoring what you like? Meh, I probably won't even remember what that is by then.
Or be mauled by a Charlie Sheen.
I believe the proper species name is "Homo bi-winningensis."
I believe the proper species name is "Homo bi-winningensis."
Ah yes, you are, of course, correct. Thank you. You know, I believe a recently published study concluded that - as was expected - it is, in fact, his tiger DNA that makes him such a wonderful mauler.
I believe the proper species name is "Homo bi-winningensis."
Ah yes, you are, of course, correct. Thank you. You know, I believe a recently published study concluded that - as was expected - it is, in fact, his tiger DNA that makes him such a wonderful mauler.
There seems to be a few errors in your study. Sheen has tiger blood and Adonis DNA.
If there's anything my 4 years in the Army taught me, it is that I hate running.
Amen to that. We used to run Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday. Thursday was the only break, and that was our weekly ruck march. It's not quite as ridiculous now, but we still get the random "morale runs" (as if running somehow improves morale) and if nothing else running is still part of the PT test. I enjoy short runs, like a mile or two, but after that I quickly get bored.
If there's anything my 4 years in the Army taught me, it is that I hate running.
Amen to that. We used to run Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and Friday. Thursday was the only break, and that was our weekly ruck march. It's not quite as ridiculous now, but we still get the random "morale runs" (as if running somehow improves morale) and if nothing else running is still part of the PT test. I enjoy short runs, like a mile or two, but after that I quickly get bored.
Heh...
That's the only part of PT I liked.
Back then, once I was in my rhythm and pace, I could literally run all day.
Ah, those were the days...
*looks off into space with far away look in eye*
Well yesterday I bought a pair of Fila Skeletoes and today decided to go for a nice little 18 mile walk/jog. And now I hurt...a lot...but it was fun-ish. I have a whole new respect for that guy now.
Holy
what the did you do that for? That is insane. of course you're in a lot of pain. Your feet are not in shape to run/walk 18 miles in minimalist shoes. You have to start off slow. You have probably been using regular shoes most of your life, and they have not prepared you to walk barefoot, or nearly barefoot, for a long distance. You are going to be in some serious pain. I hope you didn't injure yourself doing that.What you need to do is build up your mileage. If you already run long distances, I would suggest you start off running maybe a mile or two in the Skeletoes and then switching to your regular shoes. Then as your feet strengthen, you can add longer runs in the Skeletoes until you can run 18 miles in them.
You also need to have the proper form when running/walking in minimalist shoes like the VFFs and Skeletoes. Most people that wear regular shoes walk/run heel striking. This is done, and possible, because regular shoes have extra padding at the heel. You can look at a pair of sneakers and see that the heel is higher than the toe area of the shoes. Skeletoes lack that extra cushioning. If you heel strike in Skeletoes, you are probably going to end up hurting your heels… pretty badly (especially if you do it for 18 miles)
You need to change your running/walking form so that you are stepping with the mid-foot or fore-foot when you land. Your knee also needs to bend at the proper moment. If done correctly you will notice that you run silently. This is because you are landing lightly.
I'm glad that you got a pair of the skeletoes and are giving running in minimalist shoes a go, but please try to take it slow. Many people that start off too quickly end up hurting themselves and then blame the shoes rather than their eagerness and recklessness for injuries they incur. If you want to learn about proper form look up Pose Running and Chi running. Youtube has plenty of videos about the two. There are several videos that give you exercises you can do before running to help perfect your form and make running fun.
How are your feet feeling today? I hope you aren't in too much pain. did you run on the street, sidewalk or did you run on a trail? you may wan to take a few days off before hitting the road again with the Skeletoes.
Yeah I've mostly been using regular shoes and I run on my heels a lot so it was a big change in technique. I could feel the shock from the heel strikes so I adjusted my form pretty quickly. I don't think it's down perfect yet but it's a good start. Of course that meant I was using my leg muscles differently than I was used to so yeah my legs are not happy with me. But I'm a bit of a masochist anyway.
Check out this video on pose running. It is pretty cool.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7zEruVUwr4&feat...
Monster calves? Suddenly I'm interested in getting these funny minimalist shoes and running in them.
You should. If I convert one more person, I get a cool toaster-oven
Do you have any pictures of these alleged "monster calves"? If I got some good motivation I might get back into running.
Give me a bit and I'll see if I can wrangle up some motivation for you.
that's what those abominations are called?
Ladies and gents if you really want to put a strain onyourself, just run a few miles wearing Steel Toed Boots and a backpack loaded with 15 pounds of gear. (change of clothes, D&D books, food, water, etc)
Minimalist shoes?
that's what those abominations wonderfully awesome shoes are called?
Ladies and gents if you really want to put a strain onyourself, just run a few miles wearing Steel Toed Boots and a backpack loaded with 15 pounds of gear. (change of clothes, D&D books, food, water, etc)
It's not about putting a strain on yourself. It is about allowing your feet to function in the way that they have evolved to function in.
And no, they are not called minimalist shoes. They are are called Vibram five Fingers. They are in a catagory of shoes referred to as minimalist.
Do they make those weird shoes in a steel-toed model?
No they don't. I don't think it is possible to make them in steel-toe and have them function as they are intended.
You know, it was harder than I thought to find pictures of people's calves.
Not a very common fetish compared to foot fetishes.
I think you are correct. Although I am sure somewhere there is someone fantasizing about some calves.
Still they are just....plain damn wierd lookin.
And here I thought your avatar, was just something you drew or someone's art that you liked on the net. :-p
I had no idea that those things were actually real.
... now, if only I can convince the SO to let me buy $100 shoes...
I stand corrected.
Still they are just....plain damn wierd lookin.
And here I thought your avatar, was just something you drew or someone's art that you liked on the net. :-p
I had no idea that those things were actually real.
Not only are they real, but they are the only shoes I wear. I stopped wearing standard shoes. I hav a pair of Chucks I use when it gets too cold during the winter. This being Miami, I use my Chucks about 2 or 3 days out of the year.
It's not a fetish, it's just that well-defined calves was something I haven't been getting. My thighs improved a lot, but the calves... not really. Or at least not that I could notice. If doing my running in different shoes that... hrm... "properly"... uses my leg muscles is something that would help, then it sounds like a good idea.
... now, if only I can convince the SO to let me buy $100 shoes...
To be honest, you could get similar results using other shoes that are fairly minimalist. A pair of Chucks might be a bit more economical for you. What you really need to do is change your running form. The Vibrams help in changing your running form in that they have no cushioning and force you to land properly or feel the pain of heel striking without the benefit of cushioning. The Skeletoes that Bone_Naga got are similar (they have 4 toes pockets, combing the toe-pockets for the 2 smallests toes) and they cost a lot less from what I hear.
You should check out Pose running and Chi running. youtube has plenty of how-to videos. Also, you can check out barefoot running videos. Yes, there are people that will run through the streets without shoes. I won't, but there are people who will.
... I'm now trying to imagine foot-glove cowboy boots. It's not really working.
Closest things I could find are these:
and these:
I've run barefoot on asphalt.. yeah it hurts after a while :-p
I've walked barefoot on gravel, it really helps you place your feet down carefully
Also $100 shoes doesn't sound that expensive to me... I usually get budget clothing but I paid $175 for my shoes because that´s what you pay for decent quality shoes that don´t fall apart or hurt like hell.
It's about the only thing with a brand I own (unless you count thinkgeek as a brand; I have some of their shirts as well)
I've run barefoot on asphalt.. yeah it hurts after a while :-p
Until you develope a thick callous on your feet. That's why I wear the funny toe-shoes. You avoid developing the horrible callous on your feet.
"they give you an unfair advantage while running"
Other than being a bit lighter, I don't expect it is a large difference. And the weight difference could be made up with snivel gear. No one says that running in shorts and a t-shirt gives you an unfair advantage over those in PT pants, windbreaker, gloves, and fleece cap.
As for the looking funny thing, hey, that's the Army. Doesn't matter if youhave been up all night on CQ, or whatever mitigating circumstances; if you don't shave the terrorists win.
schjerling.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/
birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibra...
militarytimes.com/blogs/afteraction/2010...
From my understanding, the toe-shoes (as well as some other minimalist shoe) are banned during PT tests. I have heard that you can wear them with the PT uniform, but you must wear socks with them.
schjerling.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/
birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibra...
militarytimes.com/blogs/afteraction/2010...
Right now it's all up to the individual units. TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) has banned them altogether in uniform, saying the minimalist shoes do not qualify as running shoes (although there is no regulatory guidance on what a running shoe is). Hawaii allows you to wear them if you attend a 1 day course that teaches proper running form (which is a pretty good idea since the Army doesn't bother teaching running form). Some units are perfectly fine with wearing them.
I haven't heard anything about wearing them any time except during a PT test (that doesn't really make sense but then again the Army rarely does) but that could be a policy for some units that I'm not familiar with.
For the socks issue, one of my coworkers came up with a creative solution to that. Just get a sock and cut the lower part of it off so to outward appearances you are in compliance but your feet are actually still barefoot.
EDIT: Interesting, so the Army Fitness School says they provide an unfair advantage, but to date I have yet to see an official policy message stating they are not for use during the APFT. I bet they don't have a problem with merrells or any other minimalist shoe that still looks like a normal shoe, however.
From my understanding, the toe-shoes (as well as some other minimalist shoe) are banned during PT tests. I have heard that you can wear them with the PT uniform, but you must wear socks with them.
schjerling.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/
birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibra...
militarytimes.com/blogs/afteraction/2010...
Right now it's all up to the individual units. TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) has banned them altogether in uniform, saying the minimalist shoes do not qualify as running shoes (although there is no regulatory guidance on what a running shoe is). Hawaii allows you to wear them if you attend a 1 day course that teaches proper running form (which is a pretty good idea since the Army doesn't bother teaching running form). Some units are perfectly fine with wearing them.
I haven't heard anything about wearing them any time except during a PT test (that doesn't really make sense but then again the Army rarely does) but that could be a policy for some units that I'm not familiar with.
For the socks issue, one of my coworkers came up with a creative solution to that. Just get a sock and cut the lower part of it off so to outward appearances you are in compliance but your feet are actually still barefoot.
EDIT: Interesting, so the Army Fitness School says they provide an unfair advantage, but to date I have yet to see an official policy message stating they are not for use during the APFT. I bet they don't have a problem with merrells or any other minimalist shoe that still looks like a normal shoe, however.
Pretty interesting about Hawaii. A few people on the runners forums I visit from time to time have said that some of the other minimalist shoes are banned or at least frowned upon. The whole thing about the unfair advantage always makes me laugh. If there is some advantage, I would say it has more to do with form than with the shoes.
As for the socks... there are toe-socks you can buy. They just tend to be expensive. They are called Injinji and run about $12 per peir. That's right... 2 socks: one for your left foot, one for yoyr right foot. A bit expensive if you ask me. I haven't worn socks in a while, with a few exceptions. Come to think of it, the only times I've had to wear socks since I started wearing the VFFs has been when I've had to wear a suit and tie.
My wife has some much cheaper toe socks (she doesn't like toe shoes, just the socks). Not that it matters, they aren't white with no logos so they aren't authorized) and I can't imagine them being comfortable, those shoes are tight enough as is.
I've heard that about the Skeletoes. I also heard the soles are lex flexible than the VFF soles. I'm planning on passing by one of the stores that sells the Skeletoes to try them out.
Let me ask you, what does the fabric for the upper feel like?
The soles of the Vibrams are pretty flexible. I curl my toes while wearing the Vibrams. The upper material is very stretchy and breathable. Vibram makes one that is similar to the Skeletoes in the contstruction of the upper. They have a model called the Flow designed for colder weather.
I heard that the opening to put your foot into the Skeletoes is a bit tight. How does it feel to you?
They are supposed to come out this month, but who knows.
I saw some Vibrams at Mountain Equipement Co-op today. I might get some for a spare pair for Corsica. Any recommendation for a pair that will have to be useful hiking, urban walking and walking in water (incase lots of rocks at the bottem)?
Welcome to the dark-side
If you are looking for a pair that you can use for hiking, urban walkin, and walking in water, I would suggest the KSO Trek or the Treksport. The KSO Trek is made out of kangaroo leather, and it is very durable. The Treksport is made out of abrasion-resistant coconut active fibers, and it is also very durable. They both have the Trek-sole
It is a more rugged sole than the one used for the other models. Many runners that wear VFFs for trail running use the Trek models. They have excellent grip on trails and the thicker soles also help to prevent the pain of stepping on a hidden rock or a root. In your case, I would suggest the Treksport. It will dry off faster than the KSO Trek because of the materials used.
If you do get them, make sure you go to a store and try them on. The fit is very important. you do not want them to be too big and have your foot sliding around. Also, start using them before you on your trip.
And as always... pics or it didn't happen. You need to take some pics of yourself with the VFFs on your trip.
Wow, those look interesting, although I'm wondering how breathable those are, and how durable.
There have been a few people who have been lucky enough to get a pair to review. From what I have heard, the Evoskins are pretty breathable. Although the last review I read said that the Evoskins don't feel breathable and feel hot. I could believe this since the shoes are silicon.
As for durability...
I believe Inov8 (the company that makes them) has said that they should be good for 150 miles. This actually upset a few people. I've heard people complain that 150 miles will only last them about two to two and a half weeks. Those people scare me.
Inovate has said that you could get more or less mileage depending on the type of terrain the shoes are used in and the weight of the user. I read one interview where the CEO of Inov8 was reported to have been wearing the evoskins fora few months and had put nearly 500 miles on them. I'm not sure if the guy was doing a lot of running, or if that running was done on the streets or some indoor track.
I think MEC only has the Treksports available. They have another model, but a much more complicated sole. Thanks for the info.
I should buy them next weekend, so you can have pics then. The trip ain't till May, so maybe by then I'll forget about taking pictures of my feet to feed your fetish.
The KSO Trek usually runs out pretty quick. A lot of people like to wear those to work becuse they look more "professional" since they ae made out of leather. But in any case, the Treksport would be your best choice. It dries out faster, and it is a bit cheaper than the KSO Trek.
Also... once you get them and start using them, you'll end up getting anther pair... and then another pair...
Well yesterday I bought a pair of Fila Skeletoes and today decided to go for a nice little 18 mile walk/jog. And now I hurt...a lot...but it was fun-ish. I have a whole new respect for that guy now.
Holy
what the did you do that for? That is insane. of course you're in a lot of pain. Your feet are not in shape to run/walk 18 miles in minimalist shoes. You have to start off slow. You have probably been using regular shoes most of your life, and they have not prepared you to walk barefoot, or nearly barefoot, for a long distance. You are going to be in some serious pain. I hope you didn't injure yourself doing that.What you need to do is build up your mileage. If you already run long distances, I would suggest you start off running maybe a mile or two in the Skeletoes and then switching to your regular shoes. Then as your feet strengthen, you can add longer runs in the Skeletoes until you can run 18 miles in them.
You also need to have the proper form when running/walking in minimalist shoes like the VFFs and Skeletoes. Most people that wear regular shoes walk/run heel striking. This is done, and possible, because regular shoes have extra padding at the heel. You can look at a pair of sneakers and see that the heel is higher than the toe area of the shoes. Skeletoes lack that extra cushioning. If you heel strike in Skeletoes, you are probably going to end up hurting your heels… pretty badly (especially if you do it for 18 miles)
You need to change your running/walking form so that you are stepping with the mid-foot or fore-foot when you land. Your knee also needs to bend at the proper moment. If done correctly you will notice that you run silently. This is because you are landing lightly.
I'm glad that you got a pair of the skeletoes and are giving running in minimalist shoes a go, but please try to take it slow. Many people that start off too quickly end up hurting themselves and then blame the shoes rather than their eagerness and recklessness for injuries they incur. If you want to learn about proper form look up Pose Running and Chi running. Youtube has plenty of videos about the two. There are several videos that give you exercises you can do before running to help perfect your form and make running fun.
How are your feet feeling today? I hope you aren't in too much pain. did you run on the street, sidewalk or did you run on a trail? you may wan to take a few days off before hitting the road again with the Skeletoes.
Yeah I've mostly been using regular shoes and I run on my heels a lot so it was a big change in technique. I could feel the shock from the heel strikes so I adjusted my form pretty quickly. I don't think it's down perfect yet but it's a good start. Of course that meant I was using my leg muscles differently than I was used to so yeah my legs are not happy with me. But I'm a bit of a masochist anyway.
Check out this video on pose running. It is pretty cool.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=u7zEruVUwr4&feat...
Monster calves? Suddenly I'm interested in getting these funny minimalist shoes and running in them.
You should. If I convert one more person, I get a cool toaster-oven
Do you have any pictures of these alleged "monster calves"? If I got some good motivation I might get back into running.
Give me a bit and I'll see if I can wrangle up some motivation for you.
that's what those abominations are called?
Ladies and gents if you really want to put a strain onyourself, just run a few miles wearing Steel Toed Boots and a backpack loaded with 15 pounds of gear. (change of clothes, D&D books, food, water, etc)
Minimalist shoes?
that's what those abominations wonderfully awesome shoes are called?
Ladies and gents if you really want to put a strain onyourself, just run a few miles wearing Steel Toed Boots and a backpack loaded with 15 pounds of gear. (change of clothes, D&D books, food, water, etc)
It's not about putting a strain on yourself. It is about allowing your feet to function in the way that they have evolved to function in.
And no, they are not called minimalist shoes. They are are called Vibram five Fingers. They are in a catagory of shoes referred to as minimalist.
Do they make those weird shoes in a steel-toed model?
No they don't. I don't think it is possible to make them in steel-toe and have them function as they are intended.
You know, it was harder than I thought to find pictures of people's calves.
Not a very common fetish compared to foot fetishes.
I think you are correct. Although I am sure somewhere there is someone fantasizing about some calves.
Still they are just....plain damn wierd lookin.
And here I thought your avatar, was just something you drew or someone's art that you liked on the net. :-p
I had no idea that those things were actually real.
... now, if only I can convince the SO to let me buy $100 shoes...
I stand corrected.
Still they are just....plain damn wierd lookin.
And here I thought your avatar, was just something you drew or someone's art that you liked on the net. :-p
I had no idea that those things were actually real.
Not only are they real, but they are the only shoes I wear. I stopped wearing standard shoes. I hav a pair of Chucks I use when it gets too cold during the winter. This being Miami, I use my Chucks about 2 or 3 days out of the year.
It's not a fetish, it's just that well-defined calves was something I haven't been getting. My thighs improved a lot, but the calves... not really. Or at least not that I could notice. If doing my running in different shoes that... hrm... "properly"... uses my leg muscles is something that would help, then it sounds like a good idea.
... now, if only I can convince the SO to let me buy $100 shoes...
To be honest, you could get similar results using other shoes that are fairly minimalist. A pair of Chucks might be a bit more economical for you. What you really need to do is change your running form. The Vibrams help in changing your running form in that they have no cushioning and force you to land properly or feel the pain of heel striking without the benefit of cushioning. The Skeletoes that Bone_Naga got are similar (they have 4 toes pockets, combing the toe-pockets for the 2 smallests toes) and they cost a lot less from what I hear.
You should check out Pose running and Chi running. youtube has plenty of how-to videos. Also, you can check out barefoot running videos. Yes, there are people that will run through the streets without shoes. I won't, but there are people who will.
... I'm now trying to imagine foot-glove cowboy boots. It's not really working.
Closest things I could find are these:
and these:
I've run barefoot on asphalt.. yeah it hurts after a while :-p
I've walked barefoot on gravel, it really helps you place your feet down carefully
Also $100 shoes doesn't sound that expensive to me... I usually get budget clothing but I paid $175 for my shoes because that´s what you pay for decent quality shoes that don´t fall apart or hurt like hell.
It's about the only thing with a brand I own (unless you count thinkgeek as a brand; I have some of their shirts as well)
I've run barefoot on asphalt.. yeah it hurts after a while :-p
Until you develope a thick callous on your feet. That's why I wear the funny toe-shoes. You avoid developing the horrible callous on your feet.
"they give you an unfair advantage while running"
Other than being a bit lighter, I don't expect it is a large difference. And the weight difference could be made up with snivel gear. No one says that running in shorts and a t-shirt gives you an unfair advantage over those in PT pants, windbreaker, gloves, and fleece cap.
As for the looking funny thing, hey, that's the Army. Doesn't matter if youhave been up all night on CQ, or whatever mitigating circumstances; if you don't shave the terrorists win.
schjerling.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/
birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibra...
militarytimes.com/blogs/afteraction/2010...
From my understanding, the toe-shoes (as well as some other minimalist shoe) are banned during PT tests. I have heard that you can wear them with the PT uniform, but you must wear socks with them.
schjerling.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/
birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibra...
militarytimes.com/blogs/afteraction/2010...
Right now it's all up to the individual units. TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) has banned them altogether in uniform, saying the minimalist shoes do not qualify as running shoes (although there is no regulatory guidance on what a running shoe is). Hawaii allows you to wear them if you attend a 1 day course that teaches proper running form (which is a pretty good idea since the Army doesn't bother teaching running form). Some units are perfectly fine with wearing them.
I haven't heard anything about wearing them any time except during a PT test (that doesn't really make sense but then again the Army rarely does) but that could be a policy for some units that I'm not familiar with.
For the socks issue, one of my coworkers came up with a creative solution to that. Just get a sock and cut the lower part of it off so to outward appearances you are in compliance but your feet are actually still barefoot.
EDIT: Interesting, so the Army Fitness School says they provide an unfair advantage, but to date I have yet to see an official policy message stating they are not for use during the APFT. I bet they don't have a problem with merrells or any other minimalist shoe that still looks like a normal shoe, however.
From my understanding, the toe-shoes (as well as some other minimalist shoe) are banned during PT tests. I have heard that you can wear them with the PT uniform, but you must wear socks with them.
schjerling.wordpress.com/2010/10/13/
birthdayshoes.com/u-s-army-outlaws-vibra...
militarytimes.com/blogs/afteraction/2010...
Right now it's all up to the individual units. TRADOC (Training and Doctrine Command) has banned them altogether in uniform, saying the minimalist shoes do not qualify as running shoes (although there is no regulatory guidance on what a running shoe is). Hawaii allows you to wear them if you attend a 1 day course that teaches proper running form (which is a pretty good idea since the Army doesn't bother teaching running form). Some units are perfectly fine with wearing them.
I haven't heard anything about wearing them any time except during a PT test (that doesn't really make sense but then again the Army rarely does) but that could be a policy for some units that I'm not familiar with.
For the socks issue, one of my coworkers came up with a creative solution to that. Just get a sock and cut the lower part of it off so to outward appearances you are in compliance but your feet are actually still barefoot.
EDIT: Interesting, so the Army Fitness School says they provide an unfair advantage, but to date I have yet to see an official policy message stating they are not for use during the APFT. I bet they don't have a problem with merrells or any other minimalist shoe that still looks like a normal shoe, however.
Pretty interesting about Hawaii. A few people on the runners forums I visit from time to time have said that some of the other minimalist shoes are banned or at least frowned upon. The whole thing about the unfair advantage always makes me laugh. If there is some advantage, I would say it has more to do with form than with the shoes.
As for the socks... there are toe-socks you can buy. They just tend to be expensive. They are called Injinji and run about $12 per peir. That's right... 2 socks: one for your left foot, one for yoyr right foot. A bit expensive if you ask me. I haven't worn socks in a while, with a few exceptions. Come to think of it, the only times I've had to wear socks since I started wearing the VFFs has been when I've had to wear a suit and tie.
My wife has some much cheaper toe socks (she doesn't like toe shoes, just the socks). Not that it matters, they aren't white with no logos so they aren't authorized) and I can't imagine them being comfortable, those shoes are tight enough as is.
I've heard that about the Skeletoes. I also heard the soles are lex flexible than the VFF soles. I'm planning on passing by one of the stores that sells the Skeletoes to try them out.
Let me ask you, what does the fabric for the upper feel like?
The soles of the Vibrams are pretty flexible. I curl my toes while wearing the Vibrams. The upper material is very stretchy and breathable. Vibram makes one that is similar to the Skeletoes in the contstruction of the upper. They have a model called the Flow designed for colder weather.
I heard that the opening to put your foot into the Skeletoes is a bit tight. How does it feel to you?
They are supposed to come out this month, but who knows.
I saw some Vibrams at Mountain Equipement Co-op today. I might get some for a spare pair for Corsica. Any recommendation for a pair that will have to be useful hiking, urban walking and walking in water (incase lots of rocks at the bottem)?
Welcome to the dark-sideIf you are looking for a pair that you can use for hiking, urban walkin, and walking in water, I would suggest the KSO Trek or the Treksport. The KSO Trek is made out of kangaroo leather, and it is very durable. The Treksport is made out of abrasion-resistant coconut active fibers, and it is also very durable. They both have the Trek-sole
It is a more rugged sole than the one used for the other models. Many runners that wear VFFs for trail running use the Trek models. They have excellent grip on trails and the thicker soles also help to prevent the pain of stepping on a hidden rock or a root. In your case, I would suggest the Treksport. It will dry off faster than the KSO Trek because of the materials used.
If you do get them, make sure you go to a store and try them on. The fit is very important. you do not want them to be too big and have your foot sliding around. Also, start using them before you on your trip.
And as always... pics or it didn't happen. You need to take some pics of yourself with the VFFs on your trip.
Wow, those look interesting, although I'm wondering how breathable those are, and how durable.
There have been a few people who have been lucky enough to get a pair to review. From what I have heard, the Evoskins are pretty breathable. Although the last review I read said that the Evoskins don't feel breathable and feel hot. I could believe this since the shoes are silicon.
As for durability...
I believe Inov8 (the company that makes them) has said that they should be good for 150 miles. This actually upset a few people. I've heard people complain that 150 miles will only last them about two to two and a half weeks. Those people scare me.
Inovate has said that you could get more or less mileage depending on the type of terrain the shoes are used in and the weight of the user. I read one interview where the CEO of Inov8 was reported to have been wearing the evoskins fora few months and had put nearly 500 miles on them. I'm not sure if the guy was doing a lot of running, or if that running was done on the streets or some indoor track.
I think MEC only has the Treksports available. They have another model, but a much more complicated sole. Thanks for the info.
I should buy them next weekend, so you can have pics then. The trip ain't till May, so maybe by then I'll forget about taking pictures of my feet to feed your fetish.
The KSO Trek usually runs out pretty quick. A lot of people like to wear those to work becuse they look more "professional" since they ae made out of leather. But in any case, the Treksport would be your best choice. It dries out faster, and it is a bit cheaper than the KSO Trek.
Also... once you get them and start using them, you'll end up getting anther pair... and then another pair...