Most of my D&D roleplaying has been done through CRPGs. In the NWN series, if you have a DM, you can get around the game engine's limitations to do things like climbing, swimming, teleporting, scrying, etc. The singleplayer experience is pretty awesome, too.
The NWN series has servers known as "persistent worlds", which are DM-run MMORPGs on a microscopic scale (the largest server in NWN2 can have up to 96 people online, including DMs). Now, I'm not a big fan of persistent worlds, but maybe I would give a 4E persistent world a try.
Its called DDI. 4e pretty much caters to a computer game system, as such it really isn't hard to code it into a game. Think of the core books like manuals. They're about the same thickness.
You should really stop spreading misinformation. DDI is merely an extension of D&D into the digital world, unlike CRPGs like NWN which are entirely self-contained computer games that are based on D&D.
Its called DDI. 4e pretty much caters to a computer game system, as such it really isn't hard to code it into a game. Think of the core books like manuals. They're about the same thickness.
If the Gold Box games were any hint... D&D has NEVER been hard to code into a game.
There is a huge, enormous difference between something being based online and actually being a "video game". These forums are online -- are they a video game?
Now, there have been a lot of non-Bioware D&D games. They're not nearly as popular because most were, well, forgettable. You'll probably see some of those. They'll probably be pretty unimpressive.
-- Alex
2E had the Infinity Engine games, while 3E and 3.5 had the Neverwinter Nights series. I was wondering when the first major 4E CRPG is coming out. Will there be a Neverwinter Nights 3? Or perhaps a brand-new series?
Most of my D&D roleplaying has been done through CRPGs. In the NWN series, if you have a DM, you can get around the game engine's limitations to do things like climbing, swimming, teleporting, scrying, etc. The singleplayer experience is pretty awesome, too.
The NWN series has servers known as "persistent worlds", which are DM-run MMORPGs on a microscopic scale (the largest server in NWN2 can have up to 96 people online, including DMs). Now, I'm not a big fan of persistent worlds, but maybe I would give a 4E persistent world a try.
Probably after Jade Empire 2. Notice that all the good D&D games so far have been made by Bioware.
Its called DDI. 4e pretty much caters to a computer game system, as such it really isn't hard to code it into a game. Think of the core books like manuals. They're about the same thickness.
psionx does make a somewhat true point in that 4th may be easier to convert into pc games then older versions.
Not the coding part but the fact that all of the classes have a role at all levels.
Probably after Jade Empire 2. Notice that all the good D&D games so far have been made by Bioware.
Gold Box. FAR better, IMO, than anything Bioware's put out. Ever.
Gold Box. FAR better, IMO, than anything Bioware's put out. Ever.
I don't know about you but I loved Aurora.
I hope they bring a good D&D game...
BUT. Never again Neverwinter Nights... NEVAR.
Something wrong with a flexable content creation engine?
NWN was never about the game, it was about the engine.
But NOW, hell, they could simply implement the new rules and make it a radically different game. In fact, the level of balance they've implemented actually might prove to be even MORE balanced that games like WoW, which penalize casters with mana limits. Now with an effective recharge time on the abilities that balance them out with martial types, lvl up rates would be much closer than in other games.
I wouldn't expect something right away, but somewhere down the road we'll hear the inevitable announcement. Please note that this is just me talking out my keyster and in no way should infer that I have any special knowledge on this topic.
The Engine itself was pretty nice, true. I worked a little myself in it, although I never did something for real.
The game itself was utter crap in my book. Once because I dislike Forgotten Realms and also because the game itself was just... awkward.
The playing of the game was fine for me. I liked how it worked.
The official module was...convulted, to say the least. NWN2 is a bit better in that regard.
I somehow found both official modules (NWN, NWN2) not very good... I would have liked to play some fanmade stuff, though.
nwnvault.ign.com, I think; the Neverwinter Vault has some great fan stuff. I used to play on a couple of the persistant worlds, and the Penultimate series for NWN was fun.
As long as it isn't a debacle like Dragonshard (I found it horrible), I would like that one.
I would even more like a game set in the assumed setting. With that, they could try to make a gameworld that can be highly "morphic", meaning the player actions can REALLY change something...
You know what would be awesome?
Setting; Eberron.
Style; Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.
Engine; 3rd person personal (WoW, Might and Magic, Gears of War, Final Fantasy 12, etc), semi-real time.
Gold Box. FAR better, IMO, than anything Bioware's put out. Ever.
I liked several of the Gold Box games and I do think many of those were better than the Bioware games. Maybe not graphics but superior graphics and sound do not make a computer game.
With that, they could try to make a gameworld that can be highly "morphic", meaning the player actions can REALLY change something...
Well, with the Eberron attitude to canon, I could see a game's plot (and the player's actions in it) making a big difference in the world, without it affecting any other Eberron product in any way.
Has there been any news at all on a 4E CRPG?
Eberron Game ideas
A non-MMO CRPG set in Eberron would be ideal.
As long as it isn't a debacle like Dragonshard (I found it horrible
I would even more like a game set in the assumed setting. With that, they could try to make a gameworld that can be highly "morphic", meaning the player actions can REALLY change something...
You know what would be awesome?
Setting; Eberron.
Style; Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura.
Engine; 3rd person personal (WoW, Might and Magic, Gears of War, Final Fantasy 12, etc), semi-real time.
Well, with the Eberron attitude to canon, I could see a game's plot (and the player's actions in it) making a big difference in the world, without it affecting any other Eberron product in any way.
EDIT: Almost called it DDI vitriol tabletop lolz...
2nd EDIT: Favorite game of all time? Oni. And here's why:
EDIT:
http://zdlo.oni2.net/Oni_Fighting_School/Konoko_vs_SWAT.WMV
I liked several of the Gold Box games and I do think many of those were better than the Bioware games. Maybe not graphics but superior graphics and sound do not make a computer game.
The real beauty of them was the tactical depth... they were among the first really good SRPGs. And they implemented things that, at a table, were just cumbersome - standing magical effects, stuff like that - beautifully.
Perhaps too beautifully. I seem to remember cakewalking my way through some of the more difficult encounters of Curse of the Azure Bonds by having my three elf fighter/mages stand behind a wall of Stinking Cloud effects and pick off paralyzed foes with their bows.
Ah, good times.
Can't disagree with that, loved both fallouts (hex edited the shizzle out of em, but I still loved em). However, 4e shouldn't be a CRPG. Still, I don't know what else DDI virtual tabletop can be called.
EDIT: Almost called it DDI vitriol tabletop lolz...
2nd EDIT: Favorite game of all time? Oni. And here's why:
EDIT:
http://zdlo.oni2.net/Oni_Fighting_School/Konoko_vs_SWAT.WMV
How about .... A virtual tabletop
How about .... A virtual tabletop
Thats not what it is. A virtual tabletop wouldn't simulate gameplay. This thing does.
This thing does.
It doesn't, AFAIK.
It doesn't, AFAIK.
You serious? I thought they included the game rules on there so it would be a game version of D&D.
I wish there was a good write up that was easy to find about what the computer aspect is going to feature.
Perhaps a central database with a "show history" options for character sheets.
Thats not what it is. A virtual tabletop wouldn't simulate gameplay. This thing does.
No, it doesn't. It is just like OpenRPG or several other products that provide a virtual gaming table.
No, it doesn't. It is just like OpenRPG or several other products that provide a virtual gaming table.
he's saying the oni game (the stuff he linked images of) simulates game play. He's not saying the DDI made thing simulates.
Although why you need such detail for a pen and paper game is beyond me! Damn kids and thier special effects and computer gizmos! in the good ol days a die with more than 6 sides was some hi tech stuff!
You wanted special effects you picked up a book by Issac Asimov and read it outloud!
Thats not what it is. A virtual tabletop wouldn't simulate gameplay. This thing does.
No, it does not. You get minis(or tokens), tiles, and a dice roller. All the rules are adjucated by the dm and players.
It is almost EXACTLY like a real table top, except virtual. No rules adjucation. It just holds all the stuff on it for the players and dm to move about.
And I know you know this already. You have been corrected on it several dozens of times in the past few months. Please stop spreading false information.
he's saying the oni game (the stuff he linked images of) simulates game play. He's not saying the DDI made thing simulates.
You clearly misread his post:
Psionix: "However, 4e shouldn't be a CRPG. Still, I don't know what else DDI virtual tabletop can be called."
jimthegray: "How about .... A virtual tabletop"
Psionix: "Thats not what it is. A virtual tabletop wouldn't simulate gameplay. This thing does."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m20AJvdzAdo
Please keep your posts polite, respectful, and on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.
-Joni
Gold Box. FAR better, IMO, than anything Bioware's put out. Ever.
Nah Baldurs Gate was at least better than the Savage Frontier games and the IE is certainly a technical advancement. That said Pool of Radiance IMO the best encounters and one of the best stories of any RPG ever.
Oh, and as for Psionx's comment that "D&D 4e should not be made into a CRPG," thankfully his opinion is irrelevant. What should and should not be made into a CRPG is based only on whether there is a market for the product, and enough people here love 4e that I think it is clear that there is a market for the product. I would buy a good 4e CRPG (or X-box 360 RPG).
Nah Baldurs Gate was at least better than the Savage Frontier games and the IE is certainly a technical advancement. That said Pool of Radiance IMO the best encounters and one of the best stories of any RPG ever.
wow necro thread
as for d&d games
baldurs gate 1 & 2 and torment are my favs
i would like to see a tactical game that could be played like the table top perhaps with premade adventures and it wouldnt bug me to play with people that i dont know i just really dont want another crapy copy and paste mmo (like wow or everqest)I think a turn based strategy (turns of course determined by initiative) would work, although turn based games seem to be unpopular these days.
I guess when I first picked up and started playing 4th edition, I was almost reminded of Final Fantasy Tactics. This is a good thing in my opinion (since I loved that game). Provided you could actually climb walls, swim in deep water, and interact with the world more realistically, I would be happy to play a turn based game built on 4th edition rules. I call for better graphics too!
Even though I love D&D, converting the rules to a computer game version is a bad, bad idea on a lot of levels but the main problem is the fact that D&D is built around the idea of humans interacting with other humans. Noted that the 4e rules would go over more smoothly. But I believe it would be a better idea to go for the "D&D feel" rather than the "D&D rules".
The best digital version of D&D I have ever played is Shadows over Mystara. It rocks the socks off Baldurs Gate anytime! :D
Personally, i think a game world designed by your resident DM(s), providing the ruleset of 4th Edition in the background and played by real people would be a great concept.
I played for several years on a NWN persistant world and the community that was formed was phenomenal.
I definately feel that 4th Edition would carry over to a CRPG perfectly and I hope that, when it is done, that it is done with the spirit of Neverwinter Nights. With a DM Client, a Toolset, and the game.
P.S. It would likely still be called Neverwinter Nights as the games don't necissarily center around the city of Neverwinter (and of course, seeing as it's destroyed in 4th, they can't be)
If they do a 4e video game, I hope they do it up right.
They are good games, I'm not arguing that, but taking the ruleset of any pnpRPG and directly translating it into computer game rules... Let's just say there's a lot lost in the translation.
Take a rogue for instance, when playing with my friends I have a lot (understatement) of options to different situations that allows me to try out almost anything. For instance, hiding under a large table for CA or entering a building by climing up on the roof etc.
We can do all those things in D&D because our imagination let's us interpret the rules in multiple ways. A computer game has a set of rigid rules, it doesn't interpret them. It enforces them.
And there's also the dice roll. I love rolling my dice ("C'mon 20!!!") and it was ok back in the day of CRPG's but I believe the only place where it's still justified is in the MMO genre (and even there it's gradually becoming passé).
-Joni
How would this work in real-time?
I don't know.
Not to trash an Atari fans, I have just not been pleased with their D&D games. I won't be buying any crpg with Atari's name on it D&D or no. Heres to hoping that WOTC maintains the license and rents it out on a case by case basis as opposed to blanket IP turnover (like the one with Atari).
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My dream is for Bioware to get an Eberron License, though this seems unlikely with them releasing Dragon Age soon. Truthfully, we are running out of good game makers, and stuck with console game fakers.
I honestly can't imagine how a real-time 4E RPG would deal with all the movement based effects. This edition is ALL about strategic team work, buffing allies, and putting enemies where you want them.
How would this work in real-time?
I don't know.
If they wanted to stay true to the 4E rules, then they cannot make it real time. It must be turn-based. In this day and age, I doubt that there would be enough interest in a turn-based computer game to make it worth while to develope.
My wish would be a game based on the Hx series of adventures starting with Keep on the Shadowfell. Then it would be followed by the Px series and the Ex series adventures. I'd buy those. I just do not think enough players would.
As for them being the same as tabletop. Well, of course NWN doesn't come close to tabletop, but it has its strengths.
Sins of a Solar Empire shows a great amalgam between tradition 4X games and RTS. So a Turn Base Hybrid might be possible with 4th Edition as the guideline.
It was interesting that in the original Neverwinter Nights, I'm talking the ORIGINAL original.. I distinctly remember the game pulling you into a tactical map. If someone passed by they could actually join in the fight.
Something like this might work.
You're walking and suddenly you're attacked. You go to a tactical map and things become turn based, but with timers (so players can't lock the game), and then in the outside persistant world.. players walking by can get informed there is a battle going on and can be asked to join it. (Heck, maybe there's even a quasi-cinematic showing the outside world a turn by turn depiction of the conflict.
This would actually increase something like a NWN persistant worlds performance.. because battles with large numbers of people often became laggy.
I dunno, there are possibilities out there and I'd love to see a company use 4th Edition with some vision to provide for a new DM Client, Toolset, Ruleset video game.