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#1 Sword_of_Spirit Apr 01, 2015 10:52:27	By that I mean, in what edition of the game were they first referenced.   I have a sneaking suspicion that they were a 3e innovation that didn't exist in Planescape. Does anyone know?
#2 OrethPrimer Aug 23, 2015 16:34:02	Are you referring to the "Aasimar"? The opposing race of the Tiefling, if so, then they appear in the second edition.  Planescape Monstrous Compendium 2.
#3 Sword_of_Spirit Aug 23, 2015 16:42:44	I mean one parent is a human (or other normal race) and one is a celestial. You can't get to aasimar without having a half-celestial first, unless Planescape defined aasimar as half-celestials. That would be nice to know if they did, but that's not the impression that I got.   3e had half-celestials, but I'm not sure if they appeared then or before.
#4 OrethPrimer Aug 23, 2015 16:44:16	All of these concepts have been reworked several times now but in essence are the same deal. Tieflings were a favorite of mine, I'm not so fond of the newer outlook on their concept so I'm sticking with the second edition origins and using them in 5e as such. No takers from my players yet however.
#5 OrethPrimer Aug 23, 2015 16:46:23	I see. I will look through my sets and post back here if I find anything in reference.......
#6 Sword_of_Spirit Aug 23, 2015 21:26:01	Cool, thanks.   5e is making genasi first generation descendents of genies, which is cool. It'd be simpler to work with if aasimar were first generation descendents of angels, but no word on that for 5e yet. 5e doesn't really support the old tieflings (though, like you, I use them anyway), but it does have cambions, so it's easy to put them in their place.   If everyone else is first generation, and tieflings are another generation removed, that is kind of weird. However, it actually could help explain why tieflings are the most common.
#7 OrethPrimer Sep 22, 2015 8:30:11	I did thumb through, quick checks of monster lists from  the original planescape materials and never saw that specific reference. The concepts and books from planescape were so abundant and expanded over so much material....it's hard to say. It was probably a third edition introduction.
#8 Sword_of_Spirit Sep 26, 2015 22:38:17	I think I found the answer. It was in the Planewalker's Handbook description of Aasimar. It implied that they could (or even usually were) the children of angels, although they could also be of more diluted heritage. So apparently aasimar were half-angels in Planescape, and 3e just put in an intermediary creature.   I like the idea of having aasimar regain their role as half-angels (in least in my games), especially since genasi in 5e are explicitly half-genie. That leaves us the weird issue with traditional tieflings being unique in being at least one step removed from fiends, with half-fiends inbetween. I suppose it requires some sort of explanation. The best one I have is that evil seeks to corrupt. While the children of angels and genies are more or less like other standard races, just touched by the planes, the children of fiends are corrupted, evil-oozing monsters (ie, more powerful creatures rather than 1st level character material). In 5e, the others have the humanoid creature type, while cambions (half-fiends) have the fiend type. It is only their children that can escape enough of the pervading evil to become tieflings.
#9 OrethPrimer Sep 27, 2015 7:55:38	I have the plane walkers handbook as well, I searched more of the original box set and the planes of law box set (I thought for sure it would be in there) and the monster manuals 1-3. I was specifically looking for that half-celestial word. Plane walkers handbook was one of the best of the bunch.    I know in my games whatever works for Tiefling, Aasimar are the upper plane counter-part. i personally like keeping it "further down the ancestry line" like a nasty little genetic and magic surprise. But a first generation will make sense to me as well, I suppose it should be all a matter of chance or whatever works for that specific character in that story. I ordered the 4 e tiefling handbook although I have never played in 4 e I am just curious about what they wrote.    What if a Teifling gets it on with an Aasimar? Something I would love to see, ha ha. Would a Tiefimar be born?