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#1 Fake-Healer Feb 25, 2015 21:58:57	Anyone have any thoughts on how to create a 5E version of the Beguiler class? I always liked them and had fun with them and was thinking of doing a conversion but wanted to see if someone had already done the legwork for me before jumping in.
#2 CrimsonAssassin Feb 26, 2015 11:24:03	I remember reading about them years ago, but I can't truly remember them completely.  I keep thinking they're wizards who excel in illusion/enchantment magic and use their charisma to befuddle their opponents. Not sure if I'm hitting it into the ballpark, but that's all I can recall.
#3 Tempest_Stormwind Feb 26, 2015 12:18:56	They're rogue/wizard hybrids with spontaneous casting from a list of enchantment and illusion spells, a few stealth or surprise-based features which interplayed between skills and stealth, enough skills to matter without casting, and proficiency with tackling traps. Fake-Healer wrote:
#4 Fake-Healer Feb 27, 2015 12:12:25	An arcane trickster is ok but it doesn't really feel like the beguiler felt. You could sort of emulate the very basics of the class with AT but not the differences of the limited spell list and focus on illusion and enchantment. You have however made me think that using the Rogue as a base and making Beguiler a path for them would be a route to take or maybe I can look into Bard or Wizard as a base....I like the idea of a path for core class instead of a whole new class.
#5 ZHDarkstar Feb 27, 2015 13:04:47	You could make it out of a Wizard chassis with a few alterations. Rogue HD and proficiencies, add Arcana to skill list Spellcasting: Spell list limited to Wiz(Ench/Ill). Doesn't use spellbook, prepares from memory with access to entire spell list like Cleric (Int + Wiz). Doesn't need to prepare rituals, merely be high enough level to cast the spell. Spellcasting focus unchanged. Three subclass choices (Arcane Trickster/Enchanter/Illusionist). AT features gained at appropriate Wizard levl (2/6/10/14). Since the Savant abilities won't work with the new spellcasting, Beguilers get Subtle Spell up to Int mod times per long rest at 2nd level. Possibly add domain spells based on subclass.
#6 Mommy_was_an_Orc Feb 27, 2015 19:24:55	Eh, seems to be basically screaming a Lore Bard who specializes in Charm/Illusion spells. Not worth re-inventing the wheel.