Bards: Best Grapplers

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#1

Hyphen_

Aug 16, 2014 15:40:00

I believe Bards make the best grapplers in the game as of now.

 

Expertise. 20th level Muscle Bard with proficiency and expertise in Athletics has +17 on his opposed ability check when attempting a shove. Without magic.

 

And then  Peerless Skill, oh mama.

#2

silentdante

Aug 16, 2014 15:56:33

yep, all you ahve to do is.... wait till 20th level, hahaha

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Hyphen_

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#4

reddaemon

Aug 16, 2014 17:19:09 		Yes but since Bards don't get Extra Attack, Fighters, Barbarians and the like can shove further than the Bard even if he has a better chance at succeeding.
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GladiusLegis

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#6

reddaemon

Aug 16, 2014 17:34:03 		Touché. I suppose since Bards don't prepare spells you could get away with a below average CHA too. Hmmm. Fighter still wins though
#7

mellored

Aug 16, 2014 17:37:39

Rogues can do the same.

 

And can drag people around more with cunning action.

#8

Hyphen_

Aug 16, 2014 18:04:30

reddaemon wrote:
#9

reddaemon

Aug 16, 2014 18:08:19 		Four attacks vs two. 20 feet vs 10 feet.
#10

Hyphen_

Aug 16, 2014 18:13:11

reddaemon wrote:
#11

mellored

Aug 16, 2014 18:30:06

Don't forget to add barbarians advantage on that math.

 

Oh, and rogues reliable talent.

#12

Jay_Ibero_911

Aug 16, 2014 19:14:44

mellored wrote:
#13

JRutterbush

Aug 16, 2014 22:12:33

Rogue 2/Fighter 18. Best of both worlds: you get the benefit of Cunning Action for extra dragging with a grapple, and Expertise for a final +17 bonus to checks for pushing and grappling, and three attacks per action for a 15ft. push. You can also net Action Surge for six attacks in a round, and you can choose Battlemaster for four or more extra maneuvers per short rest, including pushing and knocking people around for free after hitting with melee attacks.

 

Rogue 2/Fighter X is probably the best combination overall if you want to be a knock-down, drag-out brawler.

#14

SpedGuy

Aug 17, 2014 18:33:33

Bard does give the advantage of spells; which offer several ways to boost your skill checks AND offers Enlarge person for grappling larger things (advantage on Strength doesn't hurt).  The best Wrestler is probably a Fighter/Rogue with a Bard cheering him on; but just going solo the skill boosting magic might win out for the Bard.

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Overpromises

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