I keep seeing threads that talk about grappling someone and "moving them into" a Cloud of Daggers spell and/or "holding them there" so they take damage.
I can't see the reason the grappler would not take the same damage. Would someone care to explain to me how the grappler would avoid taking the same damage from the Cloud?
Nothing says the grappler is in the same space as the grappled. There is no "step into" part. so, they are next to each other. CoD is a single square 
It's even better, since you can drag them out and into the squre, dealing damage both on the grappler's turn, and at the start of the creatures turn.
raleel wrote:
As a DM I wouldn't allow this. In some cases RAW simply defies common sense.
So many people adding things to grapple that just aren't in the rules. The ONLY consequence of grappling is that the target's speed is 0. No space sharing, no attack penalties. Absolutely NOTHING esle mechanically.
There is a lot of baggage from previous editions. A lot. We experienced several examples in our friday night game yesterday.
Elfcrusher wrote:
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Morukai wrote:
Morukai wrote:
Elfcrusher wrote:
GET INTO THE CLOOOUUUUD!
raleel wrote:
Yunru wrote:
Ganymede425 wrote:
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Morukai wrote:
Having personally done and been a victim of the one that I posted, you are not in the same 5' space because you have portions of your bodies that are more than 5 feet apart. Just because you are interacting with your hands doesn't mean you are within the same 5' space. Otherwise monks would have to enter to punch someone.
Perhapthis his one will help
Really, totally doable. The 5' space is an abstraction. You have a reach of 5'. It works fine
mellored wrote:
raleel wrote:
They're also occupying the same space.
mellored wrote:
Morukai wrote:
Honestly when it was brought up whether allies take damage attacking into moonbeam or not I was so uninterested in the argument I just never prepared the spell again. Arguing over whether the grappler will take damage when putting the grapplee into the cloud is so much more immersion breaking and disruptive than the idea that someone might be able to shove another person into a cloud of daggers without getting hit by the daggers themself.
For some people arguing *is* fun, and if that is you and your group then by all means keep arguing - otherwise two players working in tandem to deal 4d4 damage to creature just isn't that big of a deal.
slumgum wrote:
mellored wrote:
I think we need videos.
Those of you who think Cloud of Daggers + Grapple is legitimate, go to your favorite SCA gathering, shine a spotline in a circle, and try to hold somebody in the circle without the light touching you.
Then post the videos.
I'm going to go start making popcorn.
Morukai wrote:
mellored wrote:
Morukai wrote:
mellored wrote:
I liked the monk example given above that seemed to be overlooked.
raleel wrote:
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