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#1 vamp70 May 12, 2015 5:40:20	If you have one PC with a Daylight Spell (3rd Level) , and a wizards Cast a Darkness Spell using a 4th Level Slot.   Who Wins..?   Does the 4th Level Darkness Spell Dispels the Daylight?
#2 QwertyAzerty May 12, 2015 7:31:18	by RAW the situation is NOT determined (since darkness spell mention dispelling spell level 2 or lower, and daylight speak of darkness spell level 3 or lower) so it woul dbe DM call.   If you are asking for advice on hwo the DM should call it, personally I would rule that darkness dispell light spell of it's level or lower (and same with daylight dispellign darkness spell of it's level or lower), so since darkness is level 4 and daylight level 3 then darkness win.
#3 AaronOfBarbaria May 12, 2015 7:33:08	vamp70 wrote:
#4 reddaemon May 12, 2015 8:13:45	The Daylight Spell would illuminate the area of Darkness but as soon as the you move the Daylight away, the Darkness would return. The Daylight won't dispel the Darkness, but it will illuminate the area.
(Reply to #4) Cooperjera	reddaemon wrote:
#6 OnionDruid May 12, 2015 11:18:06	In 5e simplicity is the key to solving most issues. Whichever spell is more powerful (spell slot), it over rides the other spell and allows for its effects to take place. Sweet, simple, and easy to remember.
#7 Kalani May 12, 2015 11:50:35	This is a situation the rules do not cover. As such, there is only one correct answer:    What happens is subject to DM interpretation.  Neither spell will dispel the other, but which spell takes primacy in the overlapping area will be completely subject to DM fiat. All of the suggestions made in this thread may factor into the DMs ruling, but ultimately - it is their decision what occurs.
#8 durntaur May 12, 2015 15:05:55	In all technicality, Darkness is a level 2 spell that dispels magical light of equal or lower level and Daylight is a level 3 spell that dispels magical darkness of equal or lower level. Neither state what affect, if any, casting with a higher slot level has on the spell.   However, given the similar effects of dispelling their antitheticals of equal or lower level, I would argue to allow slot levels to determine their effectiveness.
#9 Kentus May 12, 2015 15:36:34	PHB 201 wrote:
(Reply to #4) UngeheuerLich	reddaemon wrote:
(Reply to #7) UngeheuerLich	Kalani wrote:
#12 Cutlass May 12, 2015 18:50:14	PHB page 201 states, "When a spellcaster casts a spell using a slot that is of higher level than the spell, the spell assumes the higher level for that casting." Thus a 2nd level Darkness spell cast using a 4th level spell slot is a 4th level spell. The language used to describe both the daylight and the darkness spells in the PHB states that they will *dispel* lower level spells of the opposite kind. Exactly what that means is open to some interpretation. My personal take on this is that the higher level spell will totally suppress the effect of the lower level spell within its own area of effect. So if the 3rd level daylight spell is active and stationary and somebody walked towards it with a 4th level darkness spell active the guys in daylight would see a wall of darkness coming towards them that would eventually override their daylight spell. As the person with the darkness spell continued walking past and away from them eventually the daylight spell would be effective again and they would see a wall of darkness moving away from them.
#13 durntaur May 12, 2015 20:08:25	Cutlass wrote:
#14 AaronOfBarbaria May 12, 2015 20:35:14	I think that it is important to note that the spells are not worded such that they dispel equal or lower level spells of the other type, but specifically what level of spells they dispel in a wording such that the level dispelled doesn't change with the level you are casting the spell at.
#15 durntaur May 12, 2015 22:37:47	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
(Reply to #15) AaronOfBarbaria	durntaur wrote:
#17 durntaur May 13, 2015 7:51:11	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#18 UngeheuerLich May 13, 2015 8:04:14	AaronOfBarbaria wrote: