Wish there was a dex based two handed weapon. If there was one, what would you guys think it would be?
Spiked Chain: 2d4, finess, reach
mellored wrote:
Hmm.not really for me..........dex already to good a,stat, IME
spiked chain sound good, considering the strenght version deal 1d10 damage, and the greatsword (2d6) is still the highest DPR. Just make sure the spikd is a martial weapon, or maybe require the use of the weapon proficient feat to learn to use it.
There are dex based two handed weapons and they are called bows (or crossbows)
Honestly I could see some polearms falling into this category if you were to go by pure logic. At the very least, I could see adding the finesse options to a few of them.
for the low price of one monk level, a quarterstaff becomes dex-based.
i could see a two handed spear that is fineese, but i would cap it at 1d10
This came up in the GitP forums as well (http://www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?407965-Thoughts-on-Elven-Curve-Blade-in-5th) and inspired much debate. I lean on the side of not allowing two-handed weapons for Dex, otherwise there is even less of a reason to go Strength. Even with lower damage, the ability to use Great Weapon Mastery and Polearrm Mastery feats, along with all the other Dex bonuses (AC, initiative, a common save), is just way too good.
That said, I miss the spiked chain 
It is my current impression that melee DEX is "kept in check" by feat availability being better (or more offensive/interesting) for STR. As such, I dont' think 2-handed melee DEX weapons pose a balance issue if they are rendered non-functional with those feats.
I think finess weapons should use Dex for attack, but still use Str for damage.
I had a similar thought: what if a Barbarian could use Dex instead of Strength? It'd make them a bit less of a niche class.
Since the link you brought up is about it, how many non-elves do you think are going to get to use that elven curved blade?
In most of my worlds halfbreeds typically live with their human parent/family, so even a half-elf is hard pressed to get their hands on elven items.
As for dex to attack and str for damage, I flop back and forth on that one. It makes a little more sense because you still have to have the physical ability to thrust and pierce armor/flesh ect, but from a gamey aspect I can under stand it being annoying. WIth it being brought up though, bows should require both str and dex then, espically long bows. The pull weight on anything that can shoot that far is going to be over 50 lbs, and doing that constently is damn tiring. lower for the short bow
I should note that this has been play tested for 4 months now at my tables and has yet to be game breaking.
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jaappleton wrote:
In my campaigns we're pretty flexible about changing classes atnd if the change is a buff it'll come at the cost of a feat..
So yeah i'd allow 2h dex weapons at the cost of a feat..
Katana: 1d10 for example
AndyDay wrote:
I would call them "bow and crossbow". Take the Crossbow Expert feat and you can even fire them in melee at no penalty.
miburo99 wrote:
Honestly, there does feel like a small 'missing' amount of weapons in the current edition. That said, only 2 to 3 really need any kind of special attention:
Spiked Chain- Not being Heavy reduces alot of it's abuse potential, and it has been around for a few editions now. A special feat to learn it's use and provide something like Grapple and Shove at 10' instead of 5'. Something for STR to use for special attacks at range, and a DEX user now has reach, but not much else. d8 seems about right for the damage of a two-handed reach chain, the same as a simple Spear used 2-Handed.
Katana- Let's be honest, there are going to be alot of questions about why there isn't one. It's as eternal as the game itself. 
That said, something like the Sunblade already exists, and is pretty much what people want, so why not add a non-magical version? d8 (d10) Versatile Finesse. Isn't 2-handed, so can't abuse GWM, gives DEX attackers a 2-Handed Sword, but they have to use a Versatile weapon to do so.
Double Weapons- Hell, the Quarterstaff should already be one, right? d8 damage, 2 handed, Heavy, Double (can use 2WF action). It could potentially add a very powerful feature, mixing Great Weapon Master with 2 Weapon Fighting. Or even just the benefits of Great Weapon Style and 2WF Style. However, that is alot of multiclassing (or sticking to lvl10 in Champion) and a Feat to get the most out of it, and 2WF is already dubious at best. Good option for 2WF characters that want a d8 weapon in each hand and don't want to blow a feat to do so. Don't think Double Sword should be Finesse unless it loses Heavy.
...And that's about it.
^re the katana: versatile weapons are two handed and could benefit from gwm. But not being heavy it wouldn't be able to use the -5/+10, which would close the door on one method of abuse. That's all I'll say on the katana as that's an age old debate we don't need to spark.
Actually in 3 wasn't a katana in oriental adventures just a longsword with a 19-20 crit range? Certain prcs (at least iaijutsu master) let you use dex with it but a longsword is just another sword.
Also there are a lot of weapons they could have added but didn't because....... I think they trust us to come up with what works for our own games.
Yeah, its actually kinda nice to have the default position be one of creativity instead of spoon-feeding. 
The risk is a fighter/rogue rerolling all that sneak attack dice with Great Weapon Fighting style. Adding the -5/+10 to sneak attack also pushes damage up notably. Say they don't interact with sneak attack despite being finesse and it wouldn't really matter; or just be aware of the relative damage boost you create by having them 'stack'
cowleymen wrote:
Isn't almost every flexible martial arts weapon a two-handed Dex weapon?
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