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Druid Without Wildshape?

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#1
jaappleton
Aug 11, 2015 9:36:32 I love the Druid spell list. I've got a character concept, Druid of Land fits it great... Except for Wild Shape. OK, for Land, it's got some utility. But I'd like to replace it with something, and I'm here to ask for balancing. Starting at lv6, you can add your spellcasting ability Modifier to damage rolls with spells and cantrips. Too much?
#2
Yunru
Aug 11, 2015 9:37:50 Hah. Waaaaaay to much. See: Pre-Eratta Elemental Affinity, without the elemental restriction.
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jaappleton

Yunru wrote:
#4
jaappleton
Aug 11, 2015 9:44:53 Oh, I see what you're saying now! That's basically what I asked for. Hmm... OK. At lv6 you can add your Wis Modifier to cantrip damage? Is that better?
#5
Yunru
Aug 11, 2015 9:45:58 Sure. Seems alright, if not maybe a bit weak.
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jaappleton

Yunru wrote:
#7
daspian
Aug 11, 2015 10:51:18
it honestly seems a bit lack luster to just replace it with + bonus damage... i'd create an entirely new feature, also don't forget you'll have to replace new features for their level 18th feature "Beast Spells" and their 20th level feature "Archdruid" as they revolve around the Wild Shape Ability.

or you could create a new class option where this type of druid renounces/loses their wild shape feature ability and gets new features to replace their "generic druid features" and also their special archetype features as well.

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jaappleton

daspian wrote:
#9
Direach
Aug 11, 2015 13:52:14
One option that you could explore is that instead of actual wild shape, your druid could be temporarily imbued with bestial power, maybe take on the characteristics of the creature, and have some different attack options for a period of time. Strength of the Bear, Eyes of the Eagle, Speed of the Wolf, etc. Gain temp HP and claw or bite attack, that kind of thing. A bit like how shifters are in Eberron, but more mystical.

#10
Mechatarrasque
Aug 11, 2015 14:33:33
Since wildshape is a utlity ability for CotL druids, it ought to be replaced by a utility ability. A once a short or long rest ability to summon a familiar (similar to find familliar, the wizard not the chainlock version) seems appropriate. You gain utility and don't lose a spell slot so it seems comparable.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 jaappleton Aug 11, 2015 9:36:32	I love the Druid spell list. I've got a character concept, Druid of Land fits it great... Except for Wild Shape. OK, for Land, it's got some utility. But I'd like to replace it with something, and I'm here to ask for balancing. Starting at lv6, you can add your spellcasting ability Modifier to damage rolls with spells and cantrips. Too much?
#2 Yunru Aug 11, 2015 9:37:50	Hah. Waaaaaay to much. See: Pre-Eratta Elemental Affinity, without the elemental restriction.
(Reply to #2) jaappleton	Yunru wrote:
#4 jaappleton Aug 11, 2015 9:44:53	Oh, I see what you're saying now! That's basically what I asked for. Hmm... OK. At lv6 you can add your Wis Modifier to cantrip damage? Is that better?
#5 Yunru Aug 11, 2015 9:45:58	Sure. Seems alright, if not maybe a bit weak.
(Reply to #5) jaappleton	Yunru wrote:
#7 daspian Aug 11, 2015 10:51:18	it honestly seems a bit lack luster to just replace it with + bonus damage... i'd create an entirely new feature, also don't forget you'll have to replace new features for their level 18th feature "Beast Spells" and their 20th level feature "Archdruid" as they revolve around the Wild Shape Ability. or you could create a new class option where this type of druid renounces/loses their wild shape feature ability and gets new features to replace their "generic druid features" and also their special archetype features as well.
(Reply to #7) jaappleton	daspian wrote:
#9 Direach Aug 11, 2015 13:52:14	One option that you could explore is that instead of actual wild shape, your druid could be temporarily imbued with bestial power, maybe take on the characteristics of the creature, and have some different attack options for a period of time. Strength of the Bear, Eyes of the Eagle, Speed of the Wolf, etc. Gain temp HP and claw or bite attack, that kind of thing. A bit like how shifters are in Eberron, but more mystical.
#10 Mechatarrasque Aug 11, 2015 14:33:33	Since wildshape is a utlity ability for CotL druids, it ought to be replaced by a utility ability. A once a short or long rest ability to summon a familiar (similar to find familliar, the wizard not the chainlock version) seems appropriate. You gain utility and don't lose a spell slot so it seems comparable.