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#1 madbear5462 Jun 15, 2015 9:52:51	Hello Wizards Community, I'm about to start the Elemental Evil campaign with friends, and I had some questions I hoped you could help me with. Our group has decided to make an entire genasi party. I picked last, so I have the earth Genasi. The issue is that I want to play a wizard, which obviously doesn't fit smoothly with his racial stats/abilities. I figured since I'm playing a race known for being strong, I'd go the reverse and play a cross between doctor House/Beast (from X-men)/Groot type character who looks big, but relies on his intelligence. To solve this problem I thought I'd take my first level as a Knowledge Cleric to pick up armor proficiencies, extra knowledge skills, and some utility spells. From that point forward I'd go with an abjuration wizard. This would allow me to have a high AC (18 to start, 19 with half plate), that I could put up to 24 on the fly, with the ward. My stats would look like this after racials: Str-9 Dex-14 Con-14 Int-15 Wis-14 Char-8 Before I forget, I should also mention that my DM is letting us take a free 1st level feat, so I'll pick up Warcaster to use a shield. Later I'll grab a feat that lets me add +1 intelligence, and then I'll get +2 intelligence from that point forward. thoughts? concerns? Something I'm missing/ways to improve this idea?
#2 madbear5462 Jun 15, 2015 16:58:08	I'm guessing people think it looks good? (I was just gonna bump, but figured I'd add some more meaningful stuff as well) In that case, I'm curious what cantrips I should grab (starting at level 3). Right now I'm thinking: Cantrips: Cleric Side: - Light - Guidance - Sacred Flam Wizard Side: - Poison Spray (I'll be in the thick of it, so the range isn't that big a deal) - Mage Hand (no rogue's in our party, so this seems usefull) - Minor illusion (I figure this will have some minor out of combat utility) 1st Level Spells Cleric: (I can swap at will, but for most day's I'll be preparing these 3) - Bless (at higher levels, will switch it out for detect magic if I don't find a scroll of it lying around somewhere) - Healing Word - Sanctuary Wizard (Since were starting at 3rd level, I'll have 8 spells I can know) - Shield - Sleep - Earth Tremor (I can move about the difficult terrain freely, and I get to knock an enemy prone, and I get to deal some damage. Seems made for my character) - Absorb Elements - feather fall - Alarm - burning hands - find familiar
#3 Whir Jun 15, 2015 17:11:06	Seem okay. Could you spell out how you're getting your AC numbers, just for curiousity's sake?
(Reply to #3) madbear5462	Whir wrote:
#5 Nevvur Jun 15, 2015 20:06:28	It's fine, just a note - scale and breastplate are AC 14, half plate is 15. If this is the concept you want to play, go for it, but there's nothing inherently wrong with a straight wizard earth genasi.
(Reply to #5) madbear5462	Nevvur wrote:
#7 Nevvur Jun 15, 2015 21:14:17	I'm about to start the Elemental Evil campaign with friends, and I had some questions I hoped you could help me with. Our group has decided to make an entire genasi party. I picked last, so I have the earth Genasi. The issue is that I want to play a wizard, which obviously doesn't fit smoothly with his racial stats/abilities.
(Reply to #7) madbear5462	Nevvur wrote:
#9 Nevvur Jun 15, 2015 22:37:59	Careful quoting spoilers! Not that it was a major one, but in the future... You might like Thunderclap from the EE Player's Companion. It's only 1d6 thunder damage, but is AE centered on self. Frostbite could be handy as well. It's also only 1d6, but it imposes disadvantage. They're both spell save DCs instead of attack rolls, so no worries about disadvantage on ranged spell attacks for having an enemy within 5 feet of you, which is going to be often if you are a front line wizard.
#10 Treantmonklvl20 Jun 16, 2015 19:25:52	Generally speaking, Cleric 1/Wizard X is a very strong option. Knowledge Cleric marries especially well with Wizard, at least thematically. I would say that particular multiclass is my favorite in the game. For a Wizard who is going to get in close, Abjuration is definitely your school. No question about it. With a bonus feat at Level 1, the racial choice becomes less of a problem. At least the +2 Con is well used. Overall I think your spell selection is strong. You may want a finesse weapon/ranged weapon as well. With a 15 Int/14 Wis until level 4, you are going to find Sacred Flame and Poison Spray are often not going to stick. You are probably going to be better off stabbing with a dagger/firing a crossbow. I know there aren't a lot of good Cleric Cantrips after Guidance and Light, but Sacred Flame is probably never going to do much for you, and is going to be largely redundant with Poison Spray. I might consider taking Thaumaturgy just for the thematics. You are an earth Genasi, a thundering booming voice might be a fun addition.
#11 Aranador Jun 16, 2015 23:23:11	I played a "front line" wizard for a bit - although as a mountain dwarf and no MC, just abjurer levels. It worked great, and to me, was a lot of fun, as I would be hitting people with hammers or throwing axes at them, instead of using cantrips, but when the situation was ripe, could do the wizard thing. Was the toughest character in the party by a narrow margin.

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madbear5462

Jun 15, 2015 9:52:51

Hello Wizards Community,

I'm about to start the Elemental Evil campaign with friends, and I had some questions I hoped you could help me with. Our group has decided to make an entire genasi party. I picked last, so I have the earth Genasi. The issue is that I want to play a wizard, which obviously doesn't fit smoothly with his racial stats/abilities.

I figured since I'm playing a race known for being strong, I'd go the reverse and play a cross between doctor House/Beast (from X-men)/Groot type character who looks big, but relies on his intelligence.

To solve this problem I thought I'd take my first level as a Knowledge Cleric to pick up armor proficiencies, extra knowledge skills, and some utility spells.

From that point forward I'd go with an abjuration wizard. This would allow me to have a high AC (18 to start, 19 with half plate), that I could put up to 24 on the fly, with the ward.

My stats would look like this after racials:

Str-9

Dex-14

Con-14

Int-15

Wis-14

Char-8

Before I forget, I should also mention that my DM is letting us take a free 1st level feat, so I'll pick up Warcaster to use a shield. Later I'll grab a feat that lets me add +1 intelligence, and then I'll get +2 intelligence from that point forward.

thoughts? concerns? Something I'm missing/ways to improve this idea?

madbear5462

Jun 15, 2015 16:58:08

I'm guessing people think it looks good? (I was just gonna bump, but figured I'd add some more meaningful stuff as well)

In that case, I'm curious what cantrips I should grab (starting at level 3).

Right now I'm thinking:

Cantrips:

Cleric Side:

- Light

- Guidance

- Sacred Flam

Wizard Side:

- Poison Spray (I'll be in the thick of it, so the range isn't that big a deal)

- Mage Hand (no rogue's in our party, so this seems usefull)

- Minor illusion (I figure this will have some minor out of combat utility)

1st Level Spells

Cleric: (I can swap at will, but for most day's I'll be preparing these 3)

- Bless (at higher levels, will switch it out for detect magic if I don't find a scroll of it lying around somewhere)

- Healing Word

- Sanctuary

Wizard (Since were starting at 3rd level, I'll have 8 spells I can know)

- Shield

- Sleep

- Earth Tremor (I can move about the difficult terrain freely, and I get to knock an enemy prone, and I get to deal some damage. Seems made for my character)

- Absorb Elements

- feather fall

- Alarm

- burning hands

- find familiar

Whir

Jun 15, 2015 17:11:06

Seem okay. Could you spell out how you're getting your AC numbers, just for curiousity's sake?

(Reply to #3)

madbear5462

Whir wrote:

Nevvur

Jun 15, 2015 20:06:28

It's fine, just a note - scale and breastplate are AC 14, half plate is 15.

If this is the concept you want to play, go for it, but there's nothing inherently wrong with a straight wizard earth genasi.

(Reply to #5)

madbear5462

Nevvur wrote:

Nevvur

Jun 15, 2015 21:14:17

I'm about to start the Elemental Evil campaign with friends, and I had some questions I hoped you could help me with. Our group has decided to make an entire genasi party. I picked last, so I have the earth Genasi. The issue is that I want to play a wizard, which obviously doesn't fit smoothly with his racial stats/abilities.

(Reply to #7)

madbear5462

Nevvur wrote:

Nevvur

Jun 15, 2015 22:37:59

Careful quoting spoilers! Not that it was a major one, but in the future...

You might like Thunderclap from the EE Player's Companion. It's only 1d6 thunder damage, but is AE centered on self. Frostbite could be handy as well. It's also only 1d6, but it imposes disadvantage. They're both spell save DCs instead of attack rolls, so no worries about disadvantage on ranged spell attacks for having an enemy within 5 feet of you, which is going to be often if you are a front line wizard.

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Treantmonklvl20

Jun 16, 2015 19:25:52

Generally speaking, Cleric 1/Wizard X is a very strong option. Knowledge Cleric marries especially well with Wizard, at least thematically. I would say that particular multiclass is my favorite in the game.

For a Wizard who is going to get in close, Abjuration is definitely your school. No question about it.

With a bonus feat at Level 1, the racial choice becomes less of a problem. At least the +2 Con is well used.

Overall I think your spell selection is strong. You may want a finesse weapon/ranged weapon as well. With a 15 Int/14 Wis until level 4, you are going to find Sacred Flame and Poison Spray are often not going to stick. You are probably going to be better off stabbing with a dagger/firing a crossbow.

I know there aren't a lot of good Cleric Cantrips after Guidance and Light, but Sacred Flame is probably never going to do much for you, and is going to be largely redundant with Poison Spray. I might consider taking Thaumaturgy just for the thematics. You are an earth Genasi, a thundering booming voice might be a fun addition.

#11

Aranador

Jun 16, 2015 23:23:11

I played a "front line" wizard for a bit - although as a mountain dwarf and no MC, just abjurer levels. It worked great, and to me, was a lot of fun, as I would be hitting people with hammers or throwing axes at them, instead of using cantrips, but when the situation was ripe, could do the wizard thing. Was the toughest character in the party by a narrow margin.