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#1 p3ck Jun 02, 2015 4:21:57	Variant Human Monk with Mobility feat   Cunning action gives disengage, dash, hide as bonus action   Monk "superior cunning action" give a disengage AND dash AND unhindered movement for no bonus action   How?   Mobility prevents reactions against you when you make and attack against a creature. With extra attack you can disenage from 2 creatures.   Mobility gives +10 movement, Monk starts with +10 movement so when you disenage you move 50 essentially taking you out of range of almost all enemies i.e they would need to dash to reach you which nullifies their turn   By 5-6th level the monk can be virtually untouchable from anything that relies on melee attacks indefinately and still have it's bonus action intact   inb4 "yeah but you had to use a feat" to those I say if you had the option to get a superior version of another classes best ability then its a no brainer e.g. would you sacrifice a feat to get an improved divine smite, or a feat to get enhanced rage, or a feat to get superior action surge etc...
#2 AaronOfBarbaria Jun 02, 2015 4:51:09	The only thing that sticks out to me here is that you seem to think Cunning Action is the rogue class' "best abilty." That's wild. It's nowhere near on par with divine smite, rage, or action surge - though it is a bit useful, it's far from the "best" that a rogue has to offer.
#3 cannonfodder Jun 02, 2015 7:30:29	Where are you getting no bonus action? 1 attack w/ mobility and bonus action to use your bonus martial attack, Flurry of blows, dodge, dash, hide? Lvl 7 to get extra attack from monk if you dip rogue for something you probably don't need unless you're planning on hiding each turn.
#4 reddaemon Jun 02, 2015 7:23:08	Agree with Aaron.  There is a much better ability that Rogues get that actually is on par with Divine Smite, Rage, and Action Surge.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B3lLYOGDsts
#5 QwertyAzerty Jun 02, 2015 7:50:21	p3ck wrote:
#6 Jordan175 Jun 02, 2015 19:23:55	p3ck wrote:
(Reply to #2) p3ck	AaronOfBarbaria wrote:
#8 AndrewJO Jun 03, 2015 23:32:14	You forgot the part of cunning action that allows a rogue to hide, which is the reason I would use cunning action 90% of the time. Was there a point to your post other than to point out how you like a feat for a monk better than you like a 2nd lvl rogue ability?
#9 AndrewJO Jun 03, 2015 23:32:14	You forgot the part of cunning action that allows a rogue to hide, which is the reason I would use cunning action 90% of the time. Was there a point to your post other than to point out how you like a feat for a monk better than you like a 2nd lvl rogue ability?
#10 Jordan175 Jun 03, 2015 23:59:35	p3ck wrote:
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#12 Macv12 Jun 04, 2015 0:48:49	*Rogue   We're not comparing to rouge + Mobile because it's not especially fast, and it's designed to make you more noticeable instead of stealthy.
(Reply to #7) AaronOfBarbaria	p3ck wrote:
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#16 Jordan175 Jun 04, 2015 17:32:15	p3ck wrote:
#17 Ghost_Gallus Jun 04, 2015 18:31:37	How is the Monk untouchable? He avoids combat once then he either stands around waiting for the other comabants to come to him, or moves back in and fights as normal. Also, Sentinal. Also, Polearm Master.
(Reply to #16) p3ck	Jordan175 wrote:
(Reply to #18) AaronOfBarbaria	p3ck wrote:
#20 Danny_Montanny Jun 05, 2015 8:04:00	Because all combat happens in a white room, and you can compare apples to oranges...
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#24 AdrastusDarke Jun 05, 2015 11:19:48	A rogue with the mobile feat can attack to avoid attacks of opportunity and the move away 40 ft, same effect plus the rogue can then use his bonus action to dash or hide without spending any resources. This is better than 10 ft of extra movement from being a monk in my opinion especially as the monk has to spend ki to dash as a bonus action. I don't see why you're comparing monk plus mobile to rogue without mobile when you should be comparing it to rogue with mobile. Also although cunning action is an amazing ability rogues have far better abilities as well so the monk is hardly stealing the rogues thunder in any way because not only is the monk using a feat to try and beat the rogue (a feat which the rogue can take too) but it's also imitating a secondary ability and on top of all that still can't use it to hide as a bonus action. I think you may have gotten carried away with the idea of mobile monks out pacing rogues and not thought about the options available to rogues as well.