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#1 Yunru Jul 10, 2015 7:04:01	Despite the title, not looking for edge cases that could be easily eratta'd away, just thought it sounded cool. What interesting combos does the Mystic introduce that you've found? An interesting one I've found is Hex giving disadvantage on Dexterity checks and the ability to have the opponent make a dec save against your weapon attacks. Particularly nice with the -5/+10 feats, especially given the 1/2 damage on a miss.
#2 Glimjack Jul 10, 2015 7:11:24	Hex applies to ability checks, not saves.   There are three types of rolls that use an ability score: attacks, saves and checks. Hex affects checks, leaving attacks and saves unaffected, so your proposed combo doesn't work.
#3 mellored Jul 10, 2015 7:12:38	Hex is checks, not saves.   The 1/2 on miss is nice with the -5/+10.  But probably not worth the loss of extra attacks.   The super-high accuracy of attacking the int-score might be abusable.
#4 jaappleton Jul 10, 2015 8:24:42	I'm just asking, since I haven't come up with a way to do it, but instead of doing damage, is there a way to abuse the healing properties of the Immortal?
#5 mellored Jul 10, 2015 8:43:59	jaappleton wrote:
(Reply to #5) jaappleton	mellored wrote:
#7 mellored Jul 10, 2015 9:20:39	jaappleton wrote:
#8 drizzt_zylo Jul 10, 2015 9:54:08	Celerity extra action sorcerer quickend warlock EB fighter surge. Spam the surge as much as you can spam cererity spam EB and quicken for 12 super charged EB
#9 drizzt_zylo Jul 10, 2015 9:56:48	Oh and if war caster pole arm master works that's another 4 eb
#10 Jordan175 Jul 10, 2015 18:58:40	I noticed the magic weapon discipline says it can affect any weapon, not just melee weapons.   Assuming Dex of 16, a (Fighter1/Mystic1) with a longbow can attack at +8 for 1d8+4 damage, which bypasses non-magical resistance. Better still if a human with sharpshooter feat.
#11 rmn498 Jul 10, 2015 23:37:51	The most obvious thing that came to my attention was save proficiency. Usually you don't get save proficiency for a class that you multiclass into. The problem here is that since the Awakened Mystic's second save proficiency is granted by a class feature rather than the base class, multiclassing would allow you to pick up a third save proficiency (and a floating one at that). Of course we don't have multiclassing rules specific to the Awakened Mystic yet, so WotC may clarify how this is intended to work later like they did for Warlock spell slots and Unarmored Defense.
#12 Jordan175 Jul 11, 2015 2:24:14	rmn498 wrote:
(Reply to #11) Rancid_Rogue	rmn498 wrote:
#14 GladiusLegis Jul 11, 2015 6:11:31	Lethal Strike will still eventually fit on the same build as Assassin 3/BM 5, though. So it's good to take after you reach those levels in Rogue and Fighter.   EDIT: And on that note, I can't see Lethal Strike staying in its current playtest form, because right now it puts a Paladin's Divine Smite to shame, and at a much earlier level.   5th-level Immortal Mystic spending all psi points on Lethal Strike: 27d10 daily damage 5th-level Paladin spending all spell slots on Divine Smite: 14d8 daily damage.   ... yeah.   EDIT2: Also, Assassin 3/BM 3/Immortal 5/Paladin 9 = lol
(Reply to #14) jaappleton	GladiusLegis wrote:
#16 GladiusLegis Jul 11, 2015 7:19:51	jaappleton wrote:
#17 jaappleton Jul 11, 2015 7:32:20	Interesting. Also, forgive me, I don't have the PDF with me... Psi Points. Replenish on a short or long rest? That'll skew things even more if it's short rest.
#18 GladiusLegis Jul 11, 2015 8:10:30	Long rest, thankfully. Still, at 5th level, they get 27 per day to play with. Good for five 5d10 Lethal Strikes + a 2d10 one.
#19 jaappleton Jul 11, 2015 8:33:37	Right. But, comparing it to the Paladin, the Paladin also gets two attacks at lv5. That's more opportunities for their Smite to trigger, plus Smite connects on your next hit. So if it's missed, it isn't wasted. Again, no PDF of the UA in front of me, but that should bridge the gap between them quite a bit, right?   Although... If Immortal, or even Mystic as a whole, gets a second attack at level 6... Yikes.
#20 drizzt_zylo Jul 11, 2015 9:35:06	The difference in damage between paladin and mystic is because mystic is a full "caster" and paladin is a half caster which it probably helps with a second attack and and improved smite which both seem to be free augments in reality. How bout using the power that makes your attack a save and if they fail using a powerful smite. Can you use that extra damage from mystic on that as well? If I remember correctly wild shape allows you to maintain a concentration so anything there however immortal for regen when u get low on animals health to tank longer while using your HD to heal yourself and pp and spells could make you an amazing tank.
#21 drizzt_zylo Jul 11, 2015 9:42:46	How bout a wild shape with a ranged attack? Does a conjuration wizard need to maintain concentration or just can't break his concentration?
(Reply to #19) GladiusLegis	jaappleton wrote:
#23 GladiusLegis Jul 11, 2015 13:04:11	drizzt_zylo wrote:
#24 jaappleton Jul 11, 2015 13:28:31	Yeah, Immortal is currently a balls to the balls tank. I hope we're wrong, but I also think their lv6 is a second attack. If it is, Immortal absolutely needs to be knocked down a peg or two. Don't get me wrong... Mathematically, something has to do the most damage. But the gap between #1 and #2 shouldn't be so large. Though, even with it how it is, I'd rather a Paladin in my party for their Auras and Charisma boost to saving throws.
#25 GladiusLegis Jul 11, 2015 15:20:25	Extra Attack for Immortal itself wouldn't be bad, though. But Lethal Strike as it is, is just waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much. The dice need to be knocked down to d4s, then the total daily damage output will be only slightly ahead of a same-level Paladin while not being able to spike it quite as high on a single given hit.   Remember, as is, the classes that currently have Extra Attack will be able to pick 5 levels of this, too.
(Reply to #12) Clutchbone	Jordan175 wrote:
#27 mellored Jul 13, 2015 11:45:52	Clutchbone wrote:
#28 Danny_Montanny Jul 14, 2015 5:49:20	Since Disceplines aren't spells, a Barbarian can concentrate on them while raging.
(Reply to #28) jaappleton	Danny_Montanny wrote:
(Reply to #29) Cooperjera	jaappleton wrote:
(Reply to #30) Rancid_Rogue	Cooperjera wrote: