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#1 Nosnevel May 04, 2015 13:17:03	We have a game among freinds. The guy DMing it is new, and as a group we have decided to do our best to completly ruin everything he does. Anyway, I would like, you players, you assist me in coming up with ways to derail both the campaign and his state of mind. Here is what we have done so far:   1st session: Every time there was even a hint of him wanting us to go a certain direction or do a certain thing, I immediatly got the party to agree to do the exact opposite. In 4 hours we finished one tiny battle, because he had to make up everything on the fly and we were more interested in asking about the color of the tables clothes than in finding out about possible quests.   2nd session: One of our players has the module he was DMing, so we memorized it. Half way through every description or statement from the DM, we interupted him to ask if there were two goblins wearing red cloaks hiding around the corner or whatever. There always were.   So, bring me the worst thing you have ever done / had done to you, and let the trolling begin!
#2 supreme_slayer May 04, 2015 13:18:20	And why exactly do you want to do this? To make him not want to be a DM?
#3 AaronOfBarbaria May 04, 2015 13:38:33	Here's how to do what you are doing in the absolute most effecient way that it can be done: tell the DM you don't want him to DM for you, and then just not play in any games he tries to run.
#4 HermanTheWize May 04, 2015 13:41:12	@Nosnevel Wow I assume this post is trolling everyone on the site.   If not, what @supreme_slayer said. Do you not want him to DM anymore?   I recomend telling him that you don't need him to DM if this is going on. I'd rather people tell me they don't like my DMing, than trying to screw over everything I worked on. I don't think I'd ever do what you and your friends did to him.     +1 ArrontheBarbarian   Yeah I agree. Just don't show up to the game session. Or if you do just sit there and don't play.
#5 WizardV May 04, 2015 13:40:05	Since I was like 14, I've generally avoided trying to have fun at someone elses expense.   But if you must: 1) Have your characters pull out dice and paper and start your own role playing game inside his world. Occassionally he'll just have the plot bust into your room and your characters will be fighting for the right to be dnd hermits. 2) Run a store. Turn into NPCS. Never go on a quest again. Turn your gold and all your time into buying and selling magic items to other adventurers. Collect a bunch of adventurer contacts in your dealings and start to distribute quests, take money as a middleman. 3) At the first opportunity acquire a decanter of endless water. Flood every dungeon. Bonus points if you can collect immovable rods to seal every exit.
#6 transcendantviewer May 04, 2015 15:09:40	I'm going to assume you've got a full-blown Henderson-necessary situation, here. Otherwise, I'd recommend just offering to take over and DMing as you saw fit. That aside, I can't offer any good means at derailing the campaign, but using the module against the DM isn't the way to do it, that's just cheap and rude. The closest I've ever gotten to derailing a campaign was when a friend of mine was DMing, but he's so laid-back, so he didn't bat an eye. What happened was that our group had just started in a low level game, we were like level 3 or so, and we were talking to a guard to learn about what's been going on in the town recently. The DM crit-failed his check to remember anything, so this guy was convinced that everyone was complaining about having their left socks stolen by trolls. My character was intelligent but not very wise at all, so he immediately mumbles/asks "How do the trolls know which sock is the left one?" and was entirely convinced that this was an actual problem and was curious enough to pursue it. Had anyone else in the party agreed to accompany my character, we would have, in less than a 5 minute encounter, derailed the entire campaign from a political landscape/intrigue campaign to a completely nonsensical fetch quest.
#7 Razintarr May 04, 2015 15:36:11	As long as you're all friends and you're sure you'll all look back on this as a fun prank.....have you had any infighting yet? All bring a pile of characters, start a fight for a nonsensical reason, and if one character dies, bring in another right away with a "you killed my brother, now you die" attitude. Repeat till one player runs out of characters. Be sure to ask the DM how many xp the pc was worth, and to loot his stuff. If the DM complains, hand him a stack of characters too and invite him to join in.
#8 Noon May 04, 2015 16:12:02	Sounds like you gave up on roleplaying in favour of bullying.   For extra points, guessing OP is the usual GM. Some. GMs. Can't. Let. Go. It's 'their' position and the new guy aught to be hounded out of it to show that.
#9 BoldItalic May 04, 2015 16:48:42	@nosnevel   You, and your fellow PCs are suspended in a formless void. There is a faint white glow all around and you can see each other, but you can hear no sound apart from the rushing of blood in your ears and you cannot hear each other speak. What will you do?
#10 BRJN May 04, 2015 18:43:00	Taking Aaron's advice a step farther:   Arrange to be away-from-game and -table and -home and -cellphone and -landline and -email and -your-usual-hangouts, when the session is supposed to start. Repeat until nobody invites you to play.
#11 Gwaithador May 04, 2015 19:13:32	A terribly unnecessary thing to do.It serves no purpose other than to harm.
#12 MechaPilot May 04, 2015 20:54:29	"Can you help me and my friends waste someone else's time, turn him completely off of D&D, and preferably hurt his feelings while we're at it?"       Ah the internet, it truly is the sweat-soaked taint of human relations.
#13 Nosnevel May 05, 2015 4:08:51	Since the backlash was even worse than I imagined, I will simply quote my favorite response and continue onwards! MechaPilot wrote:
(Reply to #13) Umbacano	If i was your DM, i would simply refuse to DM you guys after the first session. After all the trouble and work a guy has, trying to entertain his players; this is the feedback he gets? I had a similar problem although not so severe, a years back. At the middle of a chronicle, some players decided to have fun and ruin the game, by bullying, mocking and insulting the Npcs in a complet different direction of their previous actions. Everything that was said and done by me as DM, was mocked by the players (in game ofc). So i grab the big stick and "teleported in" the badass NPC that simply killed the characters, that were ruining the experience for the rest of the party. In the end i told them something like this "When you are ready to return and play seriously, you know my number but bring new characters beacuse this ones are over". You know what happened? They returned some time later and were the most hardworking players i have seen.   End of story.
#15 durntaur May 05, 2015 9:30:19	Nosnevel wrote:
(Reply to #15) AndrewJO	durntaur wrote:
#17 durntaur May 05, 2015 12:27:06	AndrewJO wrote:
#18 NAD212000uk May 05, 2015 14:23:45	The responses so far have been rubbish. Seriously guys, nothing the OP said demonstrates conclusively that this is anything other than a couple of friends having a laugh, get off your high horses. Couple of good ways to troll the DM...   Agree with the other party members that at any time one of you can yell 'CHANGE PLACES' - in a Mad Hatter-esque voice. At which point all the players shuffle seats (and/or character sheets if your DM will allow this - he probably won't) Alternatively instead of swapping seats/sheets, have the entire party exchange whatever they have in their hands. If you gain a weapon that you have no proficiency in then you either can't use it or must use it as an improvised weapon (depending what your DM says/rules), it may be that with a large two-handed weapon your DM says you can't use unarmed strikes in place of a weapon attack - if so great. Likewise spellcasters that require a particular item to cast spells may lose their ability to do so. Hold a protest! - This could be against a faction, a political group or person, or just against the cruel and unloving Gods. This protest could take the form of a hunger strike, all the PCs refuse to eat food until whatever bee you guys have in your bonnet is resolved. Eventually the DM will have to rule on you guys withering and ultimately starving to death. Alternatively your protest could take the form of a 'slow-down', in rebellion against the 'system' (whatever form that takes) you all drop your movement speed to 5 ft. and take no more than one action per turn. Cripppling yourselves... if this is going to be a longer running campaign and you want to play the long troll... use all of your ability point improvements to unlock the LEAST useful multi-classes for your characters and then continue to doggedly and determinedly SUCK for the rest of the campaign. Revenge! If it isn't too late (when you add those new characters) have each one of your backstories mention that a close relative, lover or friend was butched by a non-descript person or persons. Then whenever you meet an integral NPC have one of the players scream 'AHA, I'VE FOUND YOU MURDERER!' and kill him. Thus resolving your ongoing personal opera and achieving the ultimate character progression. The next time you take critical damage, consider it a bonk on the head and re-roll your alignment. (roll 2D6, first die = 1-2 Chaotic, 3-4 Neutral, 5-6 Lawful, seconddie = 1-2 Evil, 3-4 Neutral, 5-6 Good, ) Make a quick excel spreadsheet to track/chart your characters current desires on Maslow's Heriarchy of Needs. Be sure to spend A LOT of time each day showering, using the toilet, etc. Make sure ANY and ALL requests NPCs make of you are put firmly in writing, you need a contract to protect your rights. And be sure to thoroughly read any such document to check for inconsistencies or loopholes. All start faking dice rolls and cheating as brazenly as possible whenever and wherever possible, whoever gets caught by the DM first has to buy a crate of beers for the one who the others found the most audacious and reckless in their cheating.
#19 transcendantviewer May 05, 2015 15:30:55	NAD212000uk, I love number 7. I might actually have it happen in a silly game I'm putting together.
#20 durntaur May 05, 2015 16:12:58	Nosnevel wrote:
#21 Serpine May 05, 2015 18:50:37	Nosnevel wrote:
#22 Gwaithador May 05, 2015 19:40:55	Nad212000uk, If I'm understanding you correctly, you think it's acceptable to encourage somebody new to a group being treated poorly for no other reason than the entertainment of the "in group"?
#23 Noon May 05, 2015 20:34:48	NAD212000uk wrote:
(Reply to #18) AaronOfBarbaria	NAD212000uk wrote:
#25 Jordan175 May 05, 2015 21:39:28	Ok couple questions: 1) Do you know this guy well enough to be sure he will laugh it off when you reveal what you have been doing (assuming you will do so)?   2) If this is hazing, how long will it last? One session is normally enough for that.   3) By "new" do you mean he is experienced with RPGs and new to your group (meaning he will just think your group are assholes) or that he is new to P&P RPGs in general (in which case he may get turned off to the whole genre entirely)?
#26 NAD212000uk May 05, 2015 21:53:00	Lengthy post because I'm procrastinating, I'll section it off for different folks so you can read the bits that might interest you if you so choose, or not, whatever.   @Serpine   "* Attacking the villagers that are cheering for you as you return from a successful quest. This is sort of like attacking city guards before the adventure starts but takes it to the next level by doing it way later when things are supposed to be wrapping up. Bonus points if it happens during a Star Wars style epic ceremony where the party was supposed to be recieving a medal or something." - We had something pretty close to this actually happen in Star Wars - EotE. Turned out to be a lot of fun.   "* Not destroying the Ancient Evil Summoning Circle you just liberated from cultists and instead completing their ritual so you can "get more experience by killing things as they come through". - There's actually an brilliant discussion going on over on the Paizo forums at the moment with a group who've gotten right to the end of RotR and have decided not to prevent Runelord Karzoug summoning and instead to try and give him a trial, they're going to drop a paladin's mark on him but he can remove it with a wish spell, which he has, and then immediately warp away. Should make for an interesting end of the campaign, if you're not familiar with Pathfinder it's more or less the equivalent of letting Tiamat emerge from the hells in ToD and popping a shackle on her and asking her to play nice, can't wait to see how that plays out.   @Whoever wants another good example of trolling   The best and only trolling I ever did was when I sat in with a DM who usually plays in my campaigns (we're good friends and still play together all the time) his stuff was railroady as hell and I mean the bad kind (invisible walls everywhere, and where the Gods themselves would forget details left, right and centre if it was convenient for a plot-hook), this friend doesn't come with a lot of ego and can take a bit of good hearted fun so I built the most OP character I've ever seen in any game ever. (we were playing Pathfinder), it was homebrew so I convinced him to let us do the roll 4 die and drop the lowest one EXCEPT if you roll x4 sixes rule (a few groups play it, its awesome for crazy RNG) anyway I started as a half-orc barbarain with 24 strength at level one, we all got max hp at level-ups (a lot of groups play it that way) and he let us all have a bonus 1st level feat. With rages I hit something like a 28 str at level 1, then I multiclassed into Alchemist at level 2 because drinking potions for a Dr Jekyll/Hyde thing was a class feature, however I was too stupid to actually cast spells (brew potions basically) so I couldn't do ANYTHING from the class except drink the auto/freebie potion. Once I'd got a rage on, I'd sip the potion and have a strength score of 32 at 2nd level. Anyway the long and the short of it is I could solo every encounter in the first Adventure Path book, including multi-threats and bosses. The book kept telling him the NPCs were supposed to push aroud the players and bully us, as an orc... I didn't let that happen. He kept making other people pick fights with me as the story progressed and so each time I would kill EVERYONE when they wouldn't back down (since they knew clearly I could) and after a few sessions I ran everything. A lot of people would jump to the conclusion that I was being a dick, I was not. He got thrown in the deepend and an absolute masterclass in how you have to modify and adapt an adventure as a DM when clearly the scenario is flawed for the group and he thanked be for it. I haven't had a chance to play as a PC with him since but I hear he's getting really good, he still plays my campaigns religiously.
#27 Chakrum May 06, 2015 0:04:12	I see nothing constructive in hazing a new DM session after session. This falls under the "Don't be a jerk" rule. It's one thing to pull some random decision out to force the DM to think quickly as a minor joke. It's a totally different thing to try and totally ruin the entire game for someone new to DM'ing session after session. That isn't a joke, it's just cruelty.
#28 NAD212000uk May 06, 2015 1:20:38	All wonderful points, and since they're all your opinions, and for that reason perfectly valid (just not 'necessarily' productive or cohesive to a thriving community) -  I won't bother trying to argue on 'perspective' rather than 'points' - we'd either agree already or never at all.   On a completely different note, would any kind soul be able to tell me if there is a way to deactivate my account without going through customer services? I've never actually seen a forum before where you can't deactivate your account but I can't see an option to do so on my landing, profile or account pages, nor it mentioned in the Q & A I looked at. I'd rather close an account than leave it indefinitely inactive.
#29 QwertyAzerty May 06, 2015 5:43:15	Nosnevel wrote:
#30 MaximumPain May 07, 2015 6:09:41	Nosnevel wrote:
#31 jaappleton May 07, 2015 6:46:58	This whole thing is amassing violation of the social contract between DM and Players. When that is violated willingly, intentionally, and maliciously, the game is over.
#32 supreme_slayer May 07, 2015 8:49:31	I don't understand how this could be funny for a whole session, let alone multiple ones as planned. I could imagine teasing the DM for the first ten minutes or so just for kicks then saying "Sorry man, we just wanted to mess with you. We'll actually play now." But being a DM has a lot of pressure as it is, and a lot of DMs put a lot of emotional investment into preparing and running a game. They do the most work out of anyone at the table (typically), and I don't get why you would want to "troll" them for 5+ hours, let alone think they would accept it.   Again, I ask the question left unanswered. Why? Because the only reason you gave was someone implying you are a disreputable person.   NAD212000uk wrote:
#33 ORC_Ragnar May 09, 2015 1:46:07	I have removed content from this thread because trolling/baiting is a violation of the Code of Conduct.   You can review the Code here: http://www.wizards.com/Company/About.aspx?x=wz_company_about_codeofconduct   Please keep your posts polite, on-topic, and refrain from making personal attacks.You are welcome to disagree with one another but please do so respectfully and constructively.   If you wish to report a post for Code of Conduct violation, click on the Report Comment button below the post and this will submit your report to the moderators on duty.
#34 Wuzzard May 09, 2015 9:25:44	The only true way to troll the DM is to follow the plot of the game all the way through to the end, and as soon as you get to the last encounter/bbeg/scene, and then subtly throw the game, lose the battle, make all the wrong choices, let the bad guys win.   The DM will have no choice but to make the bad stuff happen, unleashing the kraken, destroying his own world, etc.   Or   He'll struggle to make things go your way regardless, so the game will end "correctly", no matter how rediculous.
#35 OnionDruid May 10, 2015 16:22:29	This sort of thread makes me look at the next game I'm running a bit suspiciously... First time DMing with some new guys. Good thing I excel at sandbox and I don't think anything a group could do would really throw me off. This would be a fantastic challenge and a lot of fun. Doing this to anyone else is a huge jerk move and is a bush league move... Like calling a foul in a pickup game of basketball when no blood was shed.
#36 Lanliss May 11, 2015 14:12:41	A lot of people seem to be taking this really seriously, which is fine, but it is just a joke. I am sure he knows his friends limits, and I am guessing things like this happen all the time between them. True, it would be a horrible thing to do to some random person that you just added to your group, but it seems to me that these people know each other, and are secure in the fact that they can screw around without it going too far. Not everyone role plays seriously, and sometimes screwing around can be even more fun than the normal game.
#37 SeamusTheBard May 11, 2015 23:04:16	This is easily the most immature thing I've ever encountered in tabletop roleplaying, and believe me, the bar was previously set exceptionally low. DMing is supposed to be fun too, and by going out of your way to ruin that for him you're certainly not being a very good friend. You've already apparently ruined two sessions for him, which means at least 4-8 hours, plus whatever prep time he put into those games. Fun's fun, but is that not enough? Now you're crowd sourcing his misery? Obviously your friend is a new DM, because any DM with any experience under his belt would have simply not invited you back. Good DMs can find players without even trying. Crappy players usually only have a good DM if they're willing to pay for the beer. I sincerely hope that your DM posts a thread asking for how to deal with his awful players so that I can give him some much needed advice: find new friends that aren't horrible human beings.
#38 Synjin May 12, 2015 10:18:26	This is just about the lamest thread here on the forums, and that's saying a lot.
#39 DemoMonkey May 12, 2015 13:34:16	1) Show up to the game late and - if possible - drunk 2) Don't have your character sheet ready 3) Argue with every call the DM makes 4) Insist on referencing the rulebook at every turn, but never know WHICH rulebook to look in. (Bonus points for quoting and searching for a rule that actually belongs to a different edition or game entirely.) 5) Insist on using snack food as miniatures, and then keep eating it in the middle of combat 6) Name your characters in a way that totally mismatches the games tone; in a lighthearted heroic game name your character The Deathbringer, in a serious game name your character Spookyboob McTugger. 7) Roll a handful of marbles instead of dice and pretend you (and the othe players) can see the numbers 8) Kill every NPC the DM has a distinctive voice for 9) Hirelings. Hire as many minions, mobs, men-at-arms and livestock as you can. Nothing grinds a game to a hilarious halt faster than a party of 117 creatures making a group stealth roll. 10) Keep using tha same character sheet everytime a character dies, just write in a different name.   That should get you started.
(Reply to #39) HermanTheWize	DemoMonkey wrote:
#41 DemoMonkey May 12, 2015 13:34:45	Oh, I'm hardly pure.
(Reply to #39) WanderingBard	DemoMonkey wrote:
#43 BRJN May 13, 2015 16:06:42	DemoMonkey wrote:
#44 BRJN May 13, 2015 16:16:52	WanderingBard wrote: