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#1 Echamil Dec 12, 2014 15:33:11	I am not sure how to ask this so it makes sense, but here goes; According to the rules about Wild Shape, a Druid who changes into a creature, uses that creature's HD. As the Druid levels up, do the creatures' stats scale? My only example is a Druid (15) who Wild Shapes into a Brown bear. Normally the Druid has an average of 78 (15d8) HP, but the Brown Bear has an average 34 (4d10 + 12) HP. I know it makes sense that a Druid (15) just Wild Shapes into a creature with a CR of 5 instead of 1, but if a charater emphasizes important on that specific beast, does that mean the Druid is severely limiting themselves?
#2 AaronOfBarbaria Dec 12, 2014 15:36:29	No the creatures don't scale as the druid levels up. No it does not mean the druid is severely limiting themselves by prefering to be a CR 1 bear instead of a CR 5 whatever else.
#3 jessequentin Dec 12, 2014 22:15:31	Maybe I'm missing something, but I think that Max CR rating for Wild shape is CR1. So the druid isn't limiting himself to CR1; the rules limit the druid to CR1.
#4 Echamil Dec 12, 2014 23:58:19	Circle Forms The rites of your circle grant you the ability to transform into more dangerous animal forms. Starting at 2nd level, you can use your W ild Shape to transform into a beast with a challenge rating as high as 1 (you ignore the Max. CR column of the Beast Shapes table, but must abide by the other limitations there). Starting at 6th level, you can transform into a beast with a challenge rating as high as your druid level divided by 3, rounded down. Pg. 69 of the Player's Handbook.
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#6 jessequentin Dec 13, 2014 12:45:08	Sorry, I haven't played with druids much yet. I scanned through the druid rules and saw the "Combat Wild Shapes" section just before "Circle Forms", but missed reading "Circle Forms". If I was DM and a player wanted to restrict himself to bears for some sort of RP reason - in other words, the druid ONLY wildshapes into bear forms - I'd probably allow scaling stats. But if the druid transforms into many beast forms and a bear form just happened to be best suited for the current situation, I wouldn't scale stats. As far as RAW, though, as far as I can tell, stats don't scale. But, again, I could be missing something.

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Echamil

Dec 12, 2014 15:33:11

I am not sure how to ask this so it makes sense, but here goes;

According to the rules about Wild Shape, a Druid who changes into a creature, uses that creature's HD. As the Druid levels up, do the creatures' stats scale?

My only example is a Druid (15) who Wild Shapes into a Brown bear. Normally the Druid has an average of 78 (15d8) HP, but the Brown Bear has an average 34 (4d10 + 12) HP.

I know it makes sense that a Druid (15) just Wild Shapes into a creature with a CR of 5 instead of 1, but if a charater emphasizes important on that specific beast, does that mean the Druid is severely limiting themselves?

AaronOfBarbaria

Dec 12, 2014 15:36:29

No the creatures don't scale as the druid levels up.

No it does not mean the druid is severely limiting themselves by prefering to be a CR 1 bear instead of a CR 5 whatever else.

jessequentin

Dec 12, 2014 22:15:31

Maybe I'm missing something, but I think that Max CR rating for Wild shape is CR1. So the druid isn't limiting himself to CR1; the rules limit the druid to CR1.

Echamil

Dec 12, 2014 23:58:19

Circle Forms
The rites of your circle grant you the ability to transform into more dangerous animal forms. Starting at 2nd level, you can use your W ild Shape to transform into a beast with a challenge rating as high as 1 (you ignore the Max. CR column of the Beast Shapes table, but must abide by the other limitations there). Starting at 6th level, you can transform into a beast with a challenge rating as high as your druid level divided by 3, rounded down.

Pg. 69 of the Player's Handbook.

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1eejit

jessequentin wrote:

jessequentin

Dec 13, 2014 12:45:08

Sorry, I haven't played with druids much yet. I scanned through the druid rules and saw the "Combat Wild Shapes" section just before "Circle Forms", but missed reading "Circle Forms".

If I was DM and a player wanted to restrict himself to bears for some sort of RP reason - in other words, the druid ONLY wildshapes into bear forms - I'd probably allow scaling stats. But if the druid transforms into many beast forms and a bear form just happened to be best suited for the current situation, I wouldn't scale stats.

As far as RAW, though, as far as I can tell, stats don't scale. But, again, I could be missing something.