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#1 Chimerasame Feb 06, 2015 6:49:15	I have a 5th level sorc, and I've been thinking about the pros and cons of dipping into Wizard for 1-2 levels.    Cons:   - Delays acquisition of new sorcerer spells / higher level sorcerer spells  - Slightly delays sorcerer class features incl. increases of sorcery points and ability scores/feats  - Makes 20th level sorcerer class feature inaccessible   Pros:   - Does not delay increases of spell level of spell slots (allowing sorc to cast known spells at higher levels readily)  - Allows ritual spellcasting, arguably can put any castable spell level of ritual-able spell into wizard spellbook even if beyond first level, and cast it as a ritual  - At 2nd, evoker Sculpt Spells power allows easier combat casting (e.g. can drop a Fireball without worrying so much about harming allies)  - Gives more cantrips, 1st-level spells,  (e.g. can cast Mage Armor as wizard, freeing up the known-spell slot on the sorc list)   From my perspective, the pros outweigh the cons. Curious what folks think.
#2 mellored Feb 06, 2015 7:22:49	Chimerasame wrote:
#3 Undrhil Feb 06, 2015 7:44:29	The majority of the Wizard 'school of magic' features only work with Wizard spells of the specific school, unless your DM is going to hand-wave that.   Also, strict RAW, with only two levels of Wizard, you would only be able to scribe level 1 spells into your Spellbook.  You could take the Ritual Caster feat, though, and that would eliminate that restriction.
(Reply to #2) Chimerasame	mellored wrote:
#5 Chimerasame Feb 06, 2015 8:27:07	Undrhil wrote:
(Reply to #5) FrogReaver	Chimerasame wrote:
(Reply to #6) NimrodVanHall	to determine what spells you can cast read the bloody multiclass rules.....   i'll quote the relevant bit from page 164 yet again....     Spells Known and Prepared. You determine what spells you know and can prepare for each class individually, as if you were a single-classed member of that class.
#8 durntaur Feb 06, 2015 8:53:47	What about maintaining two different abilities for spell DC and attack? Kind of a big con.
(Reply to #7) FrogReaver	NimrodVanHall wrote:
#10 NimrodVanHall Feb 06, 2015 9:07:54	FrogReaver wrote:
(Reply to #10) FrogReaver	NimrodVanHall wrote:
#12 TopCheese Feb 06, 2015 11:17:16	http://www.sageadvice.eu/2014/09/19/multiclass-caster-spellbook/ Some help with this...
(Reply to #12) FrogReaver	TopCheese wrote:
#14 Chimerasame Feb 06, 2015 13:35:33	NimrodVanHall wrote:
#15 Chimerasame Feb 06, 2015 13:46:43	durntaur wrote:
(Reply to #14) Ganymede425	Adding spells to one's spellbook is merely an adjunct of knowing and preparing spells, and is governed by the same rules. Such is made clear in the examples on page 164 of the PHB.   "If you are a ranger 4/wizard 3, for example, you know three 1st-level ranger spells based on your levels in the ranger class. As 3rd-level wizard, you know three wizard cantrips, and your spellbook contains ten wizard spells, two of which (the two you gained when you reached 3rd level as a wizard) can be 2nd-level spells."   "For example, if you are the aforementioned ranger 4/wizard 3 ... you don’t know any 3rd-level spells, nor do you know any 2nd-level ranger spells."     These quotes make it clear that the rules treat the spells you are able to record into your spellbook the same as spells known/prepared. It refers to spells recorded into your spellbook synonousmy with spells known, and treats them as mechanically the same in its wizard/ranger example. As such, if your multiclass wizard has spells in his spellbook that a single class wizard of the same level wouldn't be able to have, you did it wrong.
#17 Greenstone.Walker Feb 06, 2015 17:19:52	FrogReaver wrote:
(Reply to #17) Chimerasame	Greenstone.Walker wrote:
#19 QwertyAzerty Feb 07, 2015 12:41:14	Chimerasame wrote:
(Reply to #19) Undrhil	QwertyAzerty wrote:
(Reply to #20) Chimerasame	QwertyAzerty wrote:
#22 QwertyAzerty Feb 07, 2015 16:13:34	Sculpt spell with with any evocation spell so don'T worry about it, but some like Empowered Evocation work only on wizard evocation spell, and this means that you need to prepare fireball from your spell book.   If for some reason (don'T know why by maybe?) you prepare fireball from yoru spellbook AND learn with your sorcerer level, then you have to say you are using your "wizard" fireball, which mean if you have something affecting only your sorcerer spell it won't work, (but from my knowledge sorcerer is multiclass friendly and doesn't specify sorcerer on there feature but I might be wrong)   Undrhil, 13 give you +1, so you might have +1 or +2 wisdom bonus (like I said in my original post) and between maximizing your cha and getting a decent Dex and Constitution you might not have enought point to buy the extra 2 point to improve 13 to 14.