Wizard strategies discussed

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#1

Treantmonklvl20

Aug 19, 2015 22:50:04

I recently did a podcast discussing Wizard strategies.  You can find it HERE.

 

Edit: I should point out that in the "minor illusion" example the opponent could use it's first attack to attack the halfling with disadvantage, thus interacting with the box and not getting disadvantage with attack #2.  I can't edit the podcast, so just want to bring up that I don't disagree with this point.

 

I also want to put in a caveat I should have made clear in the podcast: We discuss two tactical examples.  OF COURSE everything in the examples is circumstantial.  These ARE NOT intended to be recommendations on what you need to do specifically with your own wizard beyond thinking creatively rather than just throwing the highest damage spell.

#2

Strill

Aug 20, 2015 1:04:39

You're wrong about Minor Illusion.  In order to get advantage from being hidden, you have to use the Hide action and pass a stealth check. Being unseen is a prerequisite for using the Hide action, but being unseen does not give you advantage.

 

Being unseen does give enemies disadvantage against you though, but in the case of Minor Illusion, only for the first attack. The Orc would make his first attack with disadvantage, his weapon would pass through the box, revealing it to be an illusion, and the second attack would be made without disadvantage.

 

It's not as good as you're making it out to be.

 

The Invisible condition is an explicit exception to this rule, and gives your attacks advantage unconditionally, as specified in the Appendix A - Conditions.

#3

Cyber-Dave

Aug 20, 2015 2:51:17

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Strill

Aug 20, 2015 3:52:56

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Yunru

Aug 20, 2015 3:44:59
Hidden does get a benefit: the enemies don't know where you are.

Both get Advantage for being unseen.

Also I'd like to point out a flaw in your argument: if Hidden is a prerequisite for Unseen, how come you need to be Unseen before you can Hide?

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Strill

Aug 20, 2015 3:51:21

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Cyber-Dave

Aug 20, 2015 4:17:15

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Strill

Aug 20, 2015 4:33:41

I'm sorry, but you are still wrong. The section on Unseen Attackers and Targets uses very clear language to delineate between hidden and unseen. The rules explicitly say that you merely need to be unseen in order to gain advantage on attack rolls. Being hidden equates to being both unseen and unheard. You do not need to be unheard to gain advantage on attack rolls. You need to, and once again I quote directly from the text, be in a situation where a "creature can't see you." Not where a creature can't see or hear you. Just where a creature can't see you. End of story. Full stop. If that section intended for you to gain advantage only when you are hidden, then as per the next sentence, it would have used the term "hidden (both unseen and unheard)."
#9

Treantmonklvl20

Aug 20, 2015 7:26:19

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Cyber-Dave

Aug 20, 2015 9:17:53

 

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Kron-Karn

Aug 20, 2015 13:33:52

I only started playing D&D 3 years ago (really I started with pathfinder but semantics really) and once 5e came out i was hooked. Like most beginner players I thought to "win dungeons and dragons" i had to deal the most damage. this lead to alot of pk's and I found my self board with characters quite quickly.
My dm ,who from the sounds of things has been playing as long as you, spoke very highly of your reviews. Intrigued I searched them out. It has fundamentally changed the way I see and play the game not only for spell casters but martial characters as well. Your basic saggestions on how to enable other party members has helped develop my game and challenges my dm to new heights.
Thanks alot and keep up the food work

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Treantmonklvl20

Aug 20, 2015 16:12:30

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Noctaem

Aug 20, 2015 17:06:16

Cyber-Dave wrote:
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Elfcrusher

Aug 20, 2015 19:29:54

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Yunru

Aug 20, 2015 19:47:58
I remember back during the Unification Wars when we had a similar quibble.