then just click the X in the top right corner now.
Unless you are on a mac with MacOS X (10), then the X is in the the top LEFT corner. :D
Different strokes for different folks. We just like having our cake and eating it, too. (/cliche) :D
Which, by the way, needs some more people in it. I'm running two npc's now and would welcome the infusion of new people. Search yahoo groups for 'The_Netherworld' or send me an e-mail with that title in the subject line.
Scott
That's something I couldn't have said about a year & a half ago.
Well, maybe. I used to bad-mouth AD&D a lot, but given the opportunity to play, I very well may have jumped in with both feet anyway.
These days, though, old D&D c. 1981 & classic Traveller are at the top of my preferred systems list.
I played in '80/'81.
Had a hell of a time collecting the books, mods, box sets....have them now, all in near mint condition...I am set!!
I'm playing both 1st Edition (AD&D) and 3.5 on alternating weekends. Kinda gives the best of both worlds for my group. The 1E group has been playing together since 1990, but we just added 3.5 last December.
Different strokes for different folks. We just like having our cake and eating it, too. (/cliche) :D
You play like our group. second edition and 3E on alternate weekends and we started 3.5 once a month last october with another group. I have been playing the old school since 1980. It is my #1 edition and still very much loving it.
but if i wasn't 1edADnD would be my second choice.
I'm hard core 1e
And so is my crew
And for those that think our books are falling apart, they aren't most of my books are almost mint condition - guess they don't make them like they used to.
Although the 3e stuff seems solid enough
Me & my crew just started a new campaign (again), while I have played 2e, I didn't like having to make skill checks to take a dump.
I'm hard core 1e
And so is my crew
And for those that think our books are falling apart, they aren't most of my books are almost mint condition - guess they don't make them like they used to.
Although the 3e stuff seems solid enough
You're damn right the original AD&D books were meant to last. Cloth bound, multiple-saddle stiched spines, 60# paper...once Gary's insisted-upon quality controls were removed, the product suffered. Look at the post-Gygax stuff and how badly it's fared over the years. Now take my DMG from ca. '79 (the one I got The Man to autograph for me at Gamefest :D ) - it's as sturdy as the rock of Gibraltar.
Without getting in to the merits of 3e as a game... I'm sorry, but those books feel cheap and flimsy to me.
You're damn right the original AD&D books were meant to last. Cloth bound, multiple-saddle stiched spines, 60# paper...once Gary's insisted-upon quality controls were removed, the product suffered. Look at the post-Gygax stuff and how badly it's fared over the years. Now take my DMG from ca. '79 (the one I got The Man to autograph for me at Gamefest :D ) - it's as sturdy as the rock of Gibraltar.
Without getting in to the merits of 3e as a game... I'm sorry, but those books feel cheap and flimsy to me.
cheap and flimsy - definatly describes modern rpg books.
And I don't mean the systems :D
I belong to a 'real life' 3E group right now. However, as DM I am thoroughly sick of the system -- this is the second 3E campaign that I have run, and it just does not feel like "D&D" to me. I guess I am old and set in my ways :P . While I am happy to play 3E as a player, I will probably never DM 3E again (or at least not without some major houserules).
We will be winding down the current 'story arc' of my campaign very soon, and I will be switching my campaign setting to TLG's "Castles and Crusades" system -- which is much more like 1E AD&D than 3E. It is not quite 1E, but close enough (and actually 'fixes' some of the things I don't like about 1E, e.g. the racial level limits, the lack of a noncombat task resolution mechanism, etc.).
Once Gary Gygax's "Castle Zagyg" is published (by TLG, for the "Castles and Crusades" system), we will finally see what the original "Castle Greyhawk" looks like!
:D
BTW the C&C stuff is all compatible with 1E AD&D, so you can play "Castle Zagyg" (and other future C&C modules) using AD&D rules.
Errr ... this post seems more like a "C&C plug" than I intended.
But fans of 1E should be happy to learn that 'in print' AD&D compatible materials (modules, etc) will be available.
And my 1e AD&D character is quite cool.
Let's keep the posts to the subject of Out of Print material. After all, that is the point for this board. Thanks.
Not to be an upstart, as I am knew.
I think its directly related and appreciate the information as it is related to OOP.
To an OOP gamer new systems that support OOP styles and systems are still OOP related, even if the new system is still in print.
For example, if I bring up how the description of the basilisk for 3e is greatly comprehensive and useful, that's not out of topic, just because 3e is in print is it?
Or is it because a non WotC product was mentioned.
Again I'm not trying to be smartdonkey, I'm just saying.
I am playing in a PbEM 1e AD&D game right now, and am really enjoying it. I forgot how distinctive it feels.
Same with my group, funny how that feels eh, you think that its because your crew isn't sharp or because your rusty. Just turns our the other system kinda of did suck more than you wanted to admit.
Not to be an upstart, as I am knew.
I think its directly related and appreciate the information as it is related to OOP.
To an OOP gamer new systems that support OOP styles and systems are still OOP related, even if the new system is still in print.
For example, if I bring up how the description of the basilisk for 3e is greatly comprehensive and useful, that's not out of topic, just because 3e is in print is it?
Or is it because a non WotC product was mentioned.
Again I'm not trying to be smartdonkey, I'm just saying.
Really this is one of the situations that many of the current guests on the boards prefer. The board is really for the discussion of Out of Print material.
If you wish to discuss the comprehesive and useful nature of the basilisk, it really belongs on the Monster Lair board. And if people wish to discuss new 3rd party gaming systems, they really belong on the d20 Fantasy board. That's where I'd forward any other d20 material. (Kingdom of Kalamar, Arcana Unearthed, etc.)
If there are any questions, just let me know.
Really this is one of the situations that many of the current guests on the boards prefer. The board is really for the discussion of Out of Print material.
That's cool, if that's what people want then so be it
Let's keep the posts to the subject of Out of Print material. After all, that is the point for this board. Thanks.
Since many people who frequent this board also play OPP versions of D&D and AD&D, knowing that new material will be available that is compatible with OOP rules may be of interest to them.
Where else should I mention OOP-compatible material, including stuff by one of the co-creators of the game, Gary Gygax? It simply would not be accurate to categorize it as 'd20'...
I think the content of my post was adequately OOP-related to be included in this thread.
Since many people who frequent this board also play OPP versions of D&D and AD&D, knowing that new material will be available that is compatible with OOP rules may be of interest to them.
Where else should I mention OOP-compatible material, including stuff by one of the co-creators of the game, Gary Gygax? It simply would not be accurate to categorize it as 'd20'...
I think the content of my post was adequately OOP-related to be included in this thread.
I cast Protection from Moderation on Akrasia j/k
For example, if I bring up how the description of the basilisk for 3e is greatly comprehensive and useful, that's not out of topic, just because 3e is in print is it?
Well, 3.e is OOP.
Excuse me while I duck & run now...
Well, 3.e is OOP.
Excuse me while I duck & run now...
yes. the Holmes edition of Basic D&D has been out of print since 1981 or so. when they introduced the Cook/Moldvay version. :P
3rd. Ed? WoTC?? WTF???
TSR BABY!!!!
Hey all i believe according to my soruces as others have said on this board that kenzer&co still has the rights to the older ad&d ed. so i took the liberty of emailing them and pitched some the ideas here on the board about reprinting the older ed. in some kind of format or the other. It would be cool if other people took my lead and did the same to gain some suppot so they know there are people out there who are intrested in this prospect.
Kenzer doesn't have the rights to the older game. They have a license from WotC to produce a parody of the older game in the form of Hackmaster. Anything they release that is based off of an older product has to be screened by WotC to be sure that there is sufficient paradoy content and it isn't too serious.
Some people like Hackmaster and think it is a good system and a good in-print replacement for 1e/2e. Some people think it's too much of a joke. I honestly haven't looked at it enough to make a solid judgment. It's price and the fact that it incorporates a lot of 2e concepts makes me warey.
R.A.