It's supposedly the OTHER half of the continent in which we find the World of Greyhawk, past the Sea of Dust and the Dry Steppes. Any idea where this info can be found, other than a rulebook WotC's website is claiming (by omission, anyway) doesn't exist?
Doesn't that same argument hold for, say, Greyhawk, which is also under "Other Worlds", despite being the 3rd edition setting?
As far as I know, that world map was never published. But my knowledge is not extensive. Do a google search on a guy who posts as 'Grodog' and try to find his site -- if anyone knows, he does.
IIRC the original Castles and Crusades setting greatly resembled parts of North America.
For the revised version, some of the maps of Greyhawk have the rest of the continent outlined....
Havard
The O.P. isn't talking about the Chainmail minis game published by WOTC; they are talking about the rule book originally published by Gygax and Perrin
Since the Chainmail rules set is out of print (the newer version, not the original minis rules
okay...
The original Gygax & Arneson stuff was just a slim rules booklet on how to incorporate fantasy miniatures into the then (totally historical) miniatures wargaming hobby.
For the revised version, some of the maps of Greyhawk have the rest of the continent outlined....
yes, but no concrete gaming information.
Either way, they're both out of print, and either way, I'd like some help on this.
The original Gygax & Arneson stuff was just a slim rules booklet on how to incorporate fantasy miniatures into the then (totally historical) miniatures wargaming hobby.
Sounds like Swords & Spells, by just Gygax. Chainmail, by Gygax & Perren, was a historical (specifically medieval) wargame, though my copy contains a fantasy supplement.
There's no setting information in either of those.
Since you're insisting on "Gygax & Arneson", is it possible you're really thinking of OD&D (i.e., Original D&D, the delusions of some folks around here notwithstanding)? The original D&D set was titled "Dungeons & Dragons, Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures" and does credit Arneson along with Gygax.
There's no setting information there, either, however.
okay...
Whoopsie! Guess I am, officially, a doofus.
...thinking of OD&D (i.e., Original D&D, the delusions of some folks around here notwithstanding)? ...
I had a dream I was a fish and a worm floated by. I thought I'd be smart and leave the worm alone so I swam in the other direction. But when I turned, I swam right into a cement wall! "Dam!" :P
Back on topic, so is the chainmail setting founded on RW history with fantasy elements included? Something like a what-if senario?
Back on topic, so is the chainmail setting founded on RW history with fantasy elements included? Something like a what-if senario?
From what I understand, for the original Castles and Crusades "world" they simply used the map of the USA. Different people got assigned different parts of the map to develop. One region was Dave Arneson's for instance and called Blackmoor. Another was assigned to Gary Gygax and called Blackmoor. Not really sure who the others were. Rob Kuntz perhaps? I also dont know if this was the setting used for Chainmail, but it was the setting that grew into several home campaigns for D&D, some of which were published...
Havard
One region was Dave Arneson's for instance and called Blackmoor. Another was assigned to Gary Gygax and called Blackmoor.
They both used the name Blackmoor on the same continent? Maybe these guys weren't quite as creative as I had imagined.
They both used the name Blackmoor on the same continent? Maybe these guys weren't quite as creative as I had imagined.
Ooops, typo. Gary's region was ofcourse called Greyhawk :embarrass :P
I guess I have a tendency of putting in "Blackmoor" wherever I can ;)
Havard
Ooops, typo. Gary's region was ofcourse called Greyhawk :embarrass :P
I guess I have a tendency of putting in "Blackmoor" wherever I can ;)
Havard
That makes a whole lot more sense! :D
So, you like Blackmoor do you? ;)
So, you like Blackmoor do you? ;)
Naaah..... ;)
Havard
is it possible you're really thinking of OD&D (i.e., Original D&D, the delusions of some folks around here notwithstanding)? The original D&D set was titled "Dungeons & Dragons, Rules for Fantastic Medieval Wargames Campaigns Playable with Paper and Pencil and Miniature Figures" and does credit Arneson along with Gygax.
Original Chainmail was before that, waaaay back when Dragon magazine (may it rest in peace) was called The Strategic Review... where we get TSR from.
It was even slimmer (imagine that!), and as far as I know, had no campaign data, it was just intended to let folks use their Gandalf miniatures and dime-store critters in with any miniature wargame.
Original Chainmail was before that, waaaay back when Dragon magazine (may it rest in peace) was called The Strategic Review... where we get TSR from.
Actually, it's from before that; the first issue of The Strategic Review contains OD&D material, and OD&D came after Chainmail.
But my suggestion was that if you're sure that the thing you're talking about was written by Gygax and Arneson (as you seem to be, since you keep saying so) then you cannot be talking about Chainmail. Again...
The original Gygax & Arneson stuff was just a slim rules booklet on how to incorporate fantasy miniatures into the then (totally historical) miniatures wargaming hobby.
If it's really Gygax & Arneson you're looking for, then it's not Chainmail (a historical wargame by Gygax and Perren with a chapter on fantasy miniatures), it's not Swords & Spells (A fantasy miniatures wargame by Gygax alone), and pretty much the only thing left is OD&D which is by Gygax & Arneson and is for fantasy miniatures campaigns, and was a set of three slim booklets. It's the only thing that matches all your criteria.
as far as I know, had no campaign data
Then what were you looking for again?
That line (in the sidebar) distinctly implies a published setting, which (according to my local game shop-keeper) is set on the same continent as the WoG, but set on the other side of the devastated areas of the Dry Steppes and Sea of Dust.
However, he's originally a Warhammer gamer, and didn't get into the D&D minis until the 3.0 Chainmail game had been dropped in favor of 3.5's Dungeons And Dragons Miniatures.
If this IS the wrong board for this thread (which I doubt, because out of print is still out of print), then someone please tell me where I need to post this in order for someone to answer this question?
If this IS the wrong board for this thread (which I doubt, because out of print is still out of print), then someone please tell me where I need to post this in order for someone to answer this question?
Out of print is out of print, but traditionally they've kept 3.0 stuff off this board.
If you're talking about stuff from the new game, as it now seems you are (#298 is a bit late to be relevant to the original Chainmail wargame), I'd try D&D General, or maybe one of the miniatures forums.
Well, after looking through old back issues of Dragon, the "Sundered Realm setting of the Chainmail game", ref. p. 91 of Dragon #298
I've done some Googling, and it turns out that the setting is called the Sundered Empire, not the Sundered Realm.
There was to be a series of articles in Dragon, starting July 2001:
http://www.wizards.com/dnd/article.asp?x=minis/ch20010510a
Dragon #285 has some information:
http://oracle.wizards.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0106c&L=greyhawk-l&P=1665
Dragon #315 has notes on the creation of the setting:
http://index.rpg.net/display-article.phtml?articleid=2669
http://www.hanshortes.com/dmindex/topic/sunderedempirecs.html
This is definitely new-edition stuff, and probably would have been answered days ago in the right forum.
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Thanks!