With your help, David Noonan and I have identified some rules that we feel need to be adjusted in Complete Divine. Although it is too early to release official errata for this book, please consider these changes official:
pg. 11; Table 1-3: The Shugenja
Class Spells per Day
Level 8th 9th
14th - -
15th - -
16th 3 -
17th 4 -
18th 5 3
19th 6 4
20th 6 6
pg. 80; Divine Metamagic feat
Prerequisites: Ability to turn undead or rebuke undead, selected metamagic feat.
When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat you already have. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat. As a free action, you can take the energy from turning or rebuking undead and use it to apply a metamagic feat to divine spells that you know. ...
Special: Each time you take this feat, choose a different metamagic feat you know to which to apply it.
pg. 168-169: Miasma
Saving Throw: Fortitude negates (and see text)
The subject cannot speak. Conversation is impossible, spells with verbal components cannot be cast, bardic music cannot be performed, and no noises other than coughing and spitting are possible.
General Notes Concerning Errata:
In general, if a mechanic works as printed, we don’t change it, even if it doesn't exactly work as the designers and developers intended. However, we feel that the spell miasma as printed in Complete Divine may detract from players' enjoyment of the game and therefore needs further adjustment.
We are sorry for any confusion these errors may have caused you in the use of this product, and we hope that these clarifications will help you enjoy the Complete Divine in your gaming group more.
We are aware of other errata issues. As with all our products, formal errata will be issued as soon as we have time to compile it. The official errata for the Complete Divine will include the information presented above.
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About the shugenja's spells per day, though, shouldn't they get 6 9th level spells per day at 20th level? This would match the Oriental Adventures shugenja spells per day list (from which the CD version was taken whole cloth) and would also bring it in line with the sorcerer's spells per day.
Just wondering...
And it ended so quickly.
Those clarifications are very nice indeed
May I ask if Cometfall (page 159) should really do 2d6 damage per 10ft it falls, or should it be 1d6 to make the whole spell conform nicely with the general falling object rules?
It's what I've been waiting for for a long time.
Thanks, Andrew! The fast appearance of these erratta is appreciated.
Originally posted by Andrew Finch
Complete Divine Clarifications
pg. 80; Divine Metamagic feat
Prerequisites: Ability to turn undead or rebuke undead, selected metamagic feat.
When you take this feat, choose a metamagic feat you already have. This feat applies only to that metamagic feat. As a free action, you can take the energy from turning or rebuking undead and use it to apply a metamagic feat to divine spells that you know. ...
Special: Each time you take this feat, choose a different metamagic feat you know to which to apply it.
Thank you so much!
But I have one more question: can Divine Metamagic feat be used with arcane spells? For example, if I am a 19sor/1clr, can I take this feat to apply to my sorcerer spells? Because being a sorcerer, I would have very hign Cha and a lot of turn attempts!
I know it's kinda power-gaming, but I have to know the answer... in case my fellow players try to use it!
I just want to have an official answer to keep some fellow of my game from using it with the sorcerer, and to save our time from arguing. ;)
Actually that is part of the Benefits line, not flavor text. The "Benefits" header was just left off in the post.
Flavor Text
Prerequisites
Benefits
Special
Hope that helps. :D
Thank you all very much! I have no problem now.
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No, they are not required to have the metamagic feat in question when taking Divine Metamagic. Good Gaming!
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>able to use 5 turning attempts to cast a spell as a free action without
>ever choosing the normal Quicken Spell feat?
Heck, why not get customer service people that actually know the rules? I have countless emails of blatantly wrong answers to questions, not answering the question asked, or conflicting answers when multiple people ask the same question.
Originally posted by WCrawford
Heck, why not get customer service people that actually know the rules? I have countless emails of blatantly wrong answers to questions, not answering the question asked, or conflicting answers when multiple people ask the same question.
I don't think customer service is there to primarily answer rules questions, more to provide technical help, questions about releases and such. Rules questions can and should be asked on the boards, but if you really want to ask customer service, you know what you're getting yourself into.
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I don't think customer service is there to primarily answer rules questions, more to provide technical help, questions about releases and such. Rules questions can and should be asked on the boards, but if you really want to ask customer service, you know what you're getting yourself into.
But they are there to answer rules questions, so it should be expected that we get true customer support and correct, non-conflicting answers.
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emphasis is mine
In that case it's rather stupid, yes.
However, since a cleric has to spend five turning attempts to apply Quicken Spell to divine favor when using Divine Metamagic, that 1st level cleric would need a Charisma score of at least 14. And even then, since he would not have any feat slots available for Extra Turning, he wouldn't be able to turn undead anymore for the rest of the day.
There is no description on what Elemental Conflagration, so does it get a spell or some ability which was forgotten to be described or both?
Gracias.
Going through the shugenja spell list, NONE of the new spells have it listed in their description that they are shugenja spells.
That bothers me less than the missing 6th level shugenja spell master of the rolling river After some searching, I found that the spell name was changed to Tidal Surge. The change was made to the druid list, but not the shugenja one (Probably, because the spell description did not mention that it was a shugenja spell). The spell descriptions are exactly the same, so I assume that's what happened.
secretmantra - I thought something similar might have happened to Embrace the Wild but I can't find it anywhere. Except to note that it is also supposed to be a level 3 Druid spell as well.
ric, I have your answer. In Faiths and Pantheons, the 3.0 Forgotten Realms book, is where the Stormlord PrC appears first. The CD was clearly meant to update it to 3.5. It seems that they copy/pasted most of the info (although comparing them, there are several changes). The description of Elemental Conflagration from F&P reads that it works like summon monster IX, except that it summons 4 Huge elementals, one of each type. Personally, having read the description of Storm of Elemental Fury, I like it a lot better, it fits more with the flavor of the class. But in case you liked the elemental conflagration more, there you have it.
See what I mean about it geting over powered though?
Any answers people have would be appreciated, official or otherwise.
Thanks.
Originally posted by SelrahcParr
With the feat "Augment Healing" from Complete Divine, it says that all Conjuration [Healing] spells get +2 per spell level. This is fine for normal healing spells, but what about the Vigor spells? I do realize that they are Conjuration [Healing] spells, and that they should benefit from this feat, but I think the player getting back 3hp a round for 10 rounds plus caster level is a little over powered for a simple feat combined with a first level spell (Lesser Vigor). Should it be an initial burst of extra healing at the begining of the spell and then have it go back to how the spell normally works, or what? Because going by the first way I stated that it works, get redicully overpowered when you get to the 6th level spell Mass Vigor, when the players would get back 15-16 hp's a round (sorry, can't remember if the spell normally gives 2 or 3 hp's a round).
See what I mean about it geting over powered though?
Any answers people have would be appreciated, official or otherwise.
Thanks.
IMO it's quite simple. Augment Healing says that it adds +2 per spell level to the amount of damage healed by the spell.
The Vigor spells don't heal. They give Fast Healing. Thus the spell doesn't heal IMO.
Which one of the two is the right one?
Mailed custserv and was told that they DO lose the levels as per the chart. See mail below:
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You will find this same issue with the Seeker of the Misty Isle on the page after the Sacred Fist. In both cases, this is an exception to the usual rule. The dashes indicating that a new spellcaster level is not gained at those levels takes precedence over the text.
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Originally posted by Santherus
re: Sacred fist
Mailed custserv and was told that they DO lose the levels as per the chart. See mail below:
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You will find this same issue with the Seeker of the Misty Isle on the page after the Sacred Fist. In both cases, this is an exception to the usual rule. The dashes indicating that a new spellcaster level is not gained at those levels takes precedence over the text.
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Which is a contradiction to the general guideline of look at the text, not the table that is stated most of the time when a new book comes out
You will find this same issue with the Seeker of the Misty Isle on the page after the Sacred Fist. [b][i]In both cases, this is an exception to the usual rule.[/b][/i] The dashes indicating that a new spellcaster level is not gained at those levels takes precedence over the text.
Originally posted by Andrew Finch
Complete Divine Clarifications
With your help, David Noonan and I have identified some rules that we feel need to be adjusted in Complete Divine. Although it is too early to release official errata for this book, please consider these changes official:
pg. 80; Divine Metamagic feat
Special: Each time you take this feat, choose a different metamagic feat you know to which to apply it.
Wait... so if my elf cleric takes Extra Turning at first level, then Silent Spell at third level, Divine Metamagic at sixth level (for Silent Spell), and then Still spell at ninth level... he'll have to take Divine Metamagic again at 12th level?!
That's... extreme. That's blowing 5 feats for 2 abilities: the ability to change a handful of spells into Silent, Still spells at a cost of 4 turning attempts per change. Wow.
I thought the requirement that it only works on already-known metamagic was too much. But having Divine Metamagic work on only *one*, already-known metamagic feat is overkill.
Especially considering how a character pretty much needs to take Extra Turning in order to have any chance of getting more than a handful of uses out of the feat.
-z
Originally posted by Shadow Blade
IMO it's quite simple. Augment Healing says that it adds +2 per spell level to the amount of damage healed by the spell.
The Vigor spells don't heal. They give Fast Healing. Thus the spell doesn't heal IMO.
I love the feat Augment Healing - (it helps that I'm playing a medicinal goat).
One question: The feat adds +2 per spell level to the amount of damage healed by the spell. If you apply a metamagic feat to the spell, say Empower Spell, does the +2 get added before or after the feat is applied?
Example: I'm an 8th level cleric with Empower Spell and I memorize an Empowered Cure Moderate Wounds in one of my 4th level spell slots. When cast, will the spell:
Heal [2d8 + 8 (caster level) + 4 (Augmented 2nd level spell)] * 1.5 (Empower Spell) = 13.5 (2d8*1.5) + 18 (12*1.5) = 31.5 average
OR
Heal [2d8 + 8 (caster level)] * 1.5 (Empower Spell) + 4 (Augmented 2nd level spell) = 13.5 (2d8*1.5) + 12 (8*1.5) + 4 = 29.5 average
The difference for Empowering a 2nd level spell isn't that drastic: 2 hit points. The swing in hit points healed for a 4th level spell (an Empowered Cure Crit) is around 12 hit points.
Thoughts? Thanks!
Originally posted by Zaruthustran
Wait... so if my elf cleric takes Extra Turning at first level, then Silent Spell at third level, Divine Metamagic at sixth level (for Silent Spell), and then Still spell at ninth level... he'll have to take Divine Metamagic again at 12th level?!
That's... extreme. That's blowing 5 feats for 2 abilities: the ability to change a handful of spells into Silent, Still spells at a cost of 4 turning attempts per change. Wow.
I thought the requirement that it only works on already-known metamagic was too much. But having Divine Metamagic work on only *one*, already-known metamagic feat is overkill.
Especially considering how a character pretty much needs to take Extra Turning in order to have any chance of getting more than a handful of uses out of the feat.
-z
actually, that's 5 feats for -4- abilities; the metamagic feats themsleves provide abilities too you know.
i don't see anything wrong with the feat cost or the turning attempts cost. if you want to be able to spontaneously apply any (number of) metamagic feat(s) you have to spells, play a favoured soul. else, be prepared to take the feat again for each feat you wish to do spontaneously (and at no spell slot cost to boot). i think that's fair. at the cost of one feat, i think allowing you to casually apply multiple metamagic feats to a spell with no spell slot increase would be a tad powerful.
Originally posted by Kyndig
One question: The feat adds +2 per spell level to the amount of damage healed by the spell. If you apply a metamagic feat to the spell, say Empower Spell, does the +2 get added before or after the feat is applied?
i'm pretty sure that the base spell level wouldn't be modified by the empower feat for the purposes of augment healing, just like you can counter an enhanced fireball with a normal fireball; despite their different spell slots, they're still spells of the same level.
Originally posted by elindred
i'm pretty sure that the base spell level wouldn't be modified by the empower feat for the purposes of augment healing, just like you can counter an enhanced fireball with a normal fireball; despite their different spell slots, they're still spells of the same level.
Correct. The base spell level isn't modifed with the feat Empower spell - only the spell slot required to memorize the spell is affected. Heighten Spell (Is that the name of it?) is the only spell that actually changes the spell level.
To clarify my question: Does the +2 from Augmented Healing get Empowered? Or is that bonus applied after the feat is applied?
Originally posted by Kyndig
Correct. The base spell level isn't modifed with the feat Empower spell - only the spell slot required to memorize the spell is affected. Heighten Spell (Is that the name of it?) is the only spell that actually changes the spell level.
To clarify my question: Does the +2 from Augmented Healing get Empowered? Or is that bonus applied after the feat is applied?
ah, i see what you mean.
well, since empower also multiplies fixed modifiers from caster level, i could see how, in the same spirit, empower would multiply the fixed modifier from augmented healing, imho. it's also a bit less complicated math besides.
where are the incarnation spells?
And for Dream Sight...
when you're incorporeal you're invisible right?
if not the spell is useless.
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In Complete Divine, I noticed the True Believer feat has a 2 insight bonus listed in the descriptive text, but a 3 bonus listed in the table 3-1. Im assuming the text is correct over the table, but would love an official answer. Sent to: [email]custserv@wizards.com[/email]
firstly, something about the shugenja spells known/spell list: the rules state that at lvl 20 at least 5 of their lvl 0 spells known must be from their chosen element, but there are only 4 in the fire and air lists (i'm not sure of the others). what's going on here?
also, for practiced spellcaster, if you take the feat do you still cease to gain spells per day at caster level 20 (as per the epic progression rules)? i know the description specifically states it has nothing to do with spells per day, but i just want to be certain that they also mean it for this situation as well.
on a side note, is the shugenja spell list intended to be treated as if written in stone? will spell lists in future supplements add new spells to the shugenja spell list and/or would it be ok for my dungeon master to add new spells to the list? or would that be too "powerful" according to intended design?
What the Hit Die for the Consecrated Harrier PrC?
Originally posted by roguebfl
ummm I'm suprized this one has not been caught yet...
What the Hit Die for the Consecrated Harrier PrC?
A Consecrated Harrier has a d10 Hit Die
At least that is what is printed in my book :D
Originally posted by Shadow Blade
A Consecrated Harrier has a d10 Hit Die
At least that is what is printed in my book :D
mine does not...it is First printing...check your printing
Originally posted by Zherog
I wasn't even aware that Complete Divine had multiple printings....
I only stated what printed in cass it had. but it could simple be I have a Mis print. would have been sure untill i said somthign now could I 8)
Does anyone else have (XX) printed where the text says to refer to a page number?
Originally posted by Forshon
Just a s a curiosity:
Does anyone else have (XX) printed where the text says to refer to a page number?
Yep, in more than one spot even. ;)
question: if divine metamagic does not alter the level of the spell, than by using divine metamagic to create items, you may make them without altering the level. My DM says otherwise, but can not actually say why. The problem with this is that , especially in my case, it makes the feat absolutly useless if you can not use it other than a normal metamagic feat, so, anyone have any ideas?
As for turning attemps being used for divine feats, it does not say anywhere that you can or can not really, but check out the Special under ELemental healing, and I believe the Elemental Smitting feats. . . .?
Originally posted by Beckett
I have a question and an answer to the above about what turning attemps can be used for Divine Metamagic.
question: if divine metamagic does not alter the level of the spell, than by using divine metamagic to create items, you may make them without altering the level. My DM says otherwise, but can not actually say why. The problem with this is that , especially in my case, it makes the feat absolutly useless if you can not use it other than a normal metamagic feat, so, anyone have any ideas?
After reading the divine metamagic feat the level of the spell is still increased, you just don't use a higher spell slot to cast it. It doesn't mention a maximum level to change it to though (so it's possible to have a 5th level cleric cast a 6th level spell after metamagic) which might make it a little easier to make some items with. Personally I'd probably only allow this as an experiment and see how powerful it becomes.
If you say that it is a higher level spell, which the Divine Feat specifically does not allow for it to be, than what level spell is it? The same as if the metamagic feat equivilant is? When you are makeing magic items, the spell level is increased by using metamagic feats, but also the caster level, because the minimum you can set your caster level is, is the minimum to use a spell at that level. For instance, making a wand of Cure Light, 1st lvl spell would be 1 x 1 x (whatever), but making the same wand as a Heightened (to 3rd level spell slot) spell, makes it a 3rd level spell, 3 x 5 x (whatever the price of a normal wand would be).
That being said, since the Divine feat does not raise the level of the spell, would also not require a high level caster. This also means that the Base Price is less for both selling and making the item.
The creator must have prepared the spell to be scribed (or must know the spell, in the case of a sorcerer or bard)
so, you can only craft magic items using spells you can prepare.
I can't think of a good reason not to allow it, since it won't come up often, but will be very helpful when it does. Thoughts?
Originally posted by elindred
i've two new questions.
firstly, something about the shugenja spells known/spell list: the rules state that at lvl 20 at least 5 of their lvl 0 spells known must be from their chosen element, but there are only 4 in the fire and air lists (i'm not sure of the others). what's going on here?
I recall that either OA or Rokugan addressed this by saying something to the effect that All spells could be selected in place of one's favored element. That seems at least somewhat reasonable; anything else would require extra spells to be added to the lists.
on a side note, is the shugenja spell list intended to be treated as if written in stone? will spell lists in future supplements add new spells to the shugenja spell list and/or would it be ok for my dungeon master to add new spells to the list? or would that be too "powerful" according to intended design?
I highly doubt that future supplements will append the Shugenja list. The lack of development of OA stuff by WotC, and the fact that AEG keeps churning out v3.0 stuff (and which is almost always buggy to some degree or other) means that your hopes for such things are in vain.
Sad, but that's the way things be. Now, if you'll excuse me, I have to get back to rewriting the entire Legend of the Five Rings d20 rules...
Augment healing adds +2 to all healed damage in Conjuration(Healing) spells, right? We were doing a close reading, and noticed that Lesser Restoration is a C(Healing) spell that heals (ability) damage.
Now, is the addition of ability enough to mean that this spell is not augmented? Or are we talking about a second level spell that now heals 1d4+4 in ability damage?
I can't see how the feat Augment Healing would apply to the ability damage healed by Lesser Restoration. If it did heal 1d4+4, it would be healing more than a Maximized Lesser Restoration, all for one feat that applies to other spells, and it wouldn't even be changing the effective spell level required to cast it.
Granted, the feat DOES specifically say that it applies to all Conjuration (Healing) spells. So I totally see your point.
My DM ruled that Augment Healing only applied to healing damage and not ability damage.
why did they remove it?
it is the standard save progression for clerics and the inquisitor has already lost turning...
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I'd go with what is in the text - since you know what it does. ;)
The truth is that the Complete Divine has serious edition mistakes. But at least the critical ones are being solved with this Official Errata. Please, tell the WotC Editors to be more careful in the future.
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Originally posted by RaptorMax
Some clarification on the Cometfall spell would definately be appreciated. As it stands right now, a 20th level cleric can do more damage with this unaugmented spell than 20th level sorceror can do with any of his unaugmented spells (yes, metamagic allows him to surpass this... but then, metamagic allows me to pump this thing up like mad as well). The issue is virtually moot indoors, however for outdoors encounters this thing ignores the cleric level 6 damage cap completely (normally 15d6). And yes, I am aware that the small area of effect is another mitigating factor. But the issue has been raised in my group, and as both a DM and a player, I can see that this could use some looking into, though I personally have no idea what the best answer is.
hmm, that is kindof disturbing. it's effectively 1d6 dmg for caster level, uncapped, as long as you're outdoors... great for smashing Mr.BBEG if he's outdoors. at least his damage reduction will help...
wait a minute, isn't falling damage capped at 20d6 anyway?
Originally posted by elindred
hmm, that is kindof disturbing. it's effectively 1d6 dmg for caster level, uncapped, as long as you're outdoors... great for smashing Mr.BBEG if he's outdoors. at least his damage reduction will help...
wait a minute, isn't falling damage capped at 20d6 anyway?
One would think so, but it dosent state this in the spell at any point, and seeing as this is a magical effect... it is a bit thorny. House rules will definately be required.
Thanks again Chiba
Originally posted by Chiba_Monkey
In Faiths and Pantheons, the 3.0 Forgotten Realms book, is where the Stormlord PrC appears first. The CD was clearly meant to update it to 3.5. It seems that they copy/pasted most of the info (although comparing them, there are several changes). The description of Elemental Conflagration from F&P reads that it works like summon monster IX, except that it summons 4 Huge elementals, one of each type. Personally, having read the description of Storm of Elemental Fury, I like it a lot better, it fits more with the flavor of the class. But in case you liked the elemental conflagration more, there you have it.
Originally posted by elindred
wait a minute, isn't falling damage capped at 20d6 anyway?
Not in this case.
If YOU are falling, yes, it's capped at 20d6.
However, the damage for having something fall ON you is not capped.
Originally posted by darkloki
yes , hopefully (with all these clarifiations) now i can buy the book and not have to ask a thousand questions
Having Oaken Resilience and a Staff of Storms for my druid made it worth it for me
Anyway, I have another question: Visage of the Deity or some spell along those lines. Anyway it says you gain different benefits depending on if you are good or evil, but what about neutral clerics? It has the good and evil descriptors but neutral is opposed to neither so it IS castable by a neutral cleric.
Originally posted by Count Arioch the 28th
Not in this case.
If YOU are falling, yes, it's capped at 20d6.
However, the damage for having something fall ON you is not capped.
well, it ought to be. terminal velocity and all.
Originally posted by Beckett
As for turning attemps being used for divine feats, it does not say anywhere that you can or can not really
I disagree. Chapter Three's introduction has a Divine Feats section, which states that the force that powers a divine feat is the ability to channel positive or negative energy to turn or rebuke undead.
But as you pointed out, there are feats that let you use turn/rebuke attempts from the elemental domains, but they all have "turn/rebuke elementals" rather than "turn/rebuke undead" as a prerequisite.
Originally posted by piotrek
Is Shugenja BAB ok ? It seams that it should grant second attack at +6 to +10 but it isn't there ! Seams like omission found in Soul Knife …
As a general rule, if that's missing, it's due to error. The games rules state that if you still have a positive base attack bonus after subtracting 5 from it, you get a second attack. So if you don't see that reflected on a class table, it's because someone editing at Wizard's screwed up
I am not sure if this affects cometfall, I think the DMG rules are for free falling objects. Also, the spell has a different mechanic for damage all together. But based on spell level damage caps and the rules for falling objects, a 20d6 cap seems reasonable.
Serpent's Venom: No duration losted, I assume 1 hour as per Grizzly's Claws.
Spell Focus (Chaos, Evil, Good, or Law): No feat type (ie, General) listed :D Also worded strangely; until i hit the Special line, i though it applied for both the moral and ethical axises.
Holy Strike: Which creatures are vulnerable to blessed weapons? only the rakshasha comes to mind, and that has been changed in 3.5. Not really an erratta on this one so much as confusion
Magical Beast Wild Shape: Has Beast Wild Shape as a prerequisite.
I'll edit in any more i run across.
- is gather info not supposed to be a class skill even though it is a prereq for this PrC?
- what is the duration of oratories? concentration + 3 rounds?
- do bardic music feats such as lingering song and requiem work on them ?
- exactly how do bardic and evangelist levels stack for bard music? clearly, inspire competence is not effected despite what the text says, but what about the bonuses to things like inspire courage, the number of allies effected by inspire greatness, or the DC of suggestions? I assume they do stack as far as number usable per day although the example seems to ignore this (it also has inspire courage at only +1).
- with inflame the righteous can you choose warm or chill fire shield? it matters for the resistance part even though the damage is all divine.
- is convert the unfaithful mind affecting? language dependent? what is the caster level?
Staff of Storms = FRIGGIN' AWESOME
Originally posted by pentagonal_penguin
Prestige classes never show iterative attacks on the Class features tables, as this could cause confusion when you add your BAB from several classes. Add your BAB from all classes, and then calculate iterative attacks normally
Shugenja isn't a prestige class. It's one of the three new base classes introduced in Complete Divine
Originally posted by monkeywrench
Shugenja isn't a prestige class. It's one of the three new base classes introduced in Complete Divine
Oops, sorry. My copy of Complete Divine is still on route from Amazon.
Originally posted by pentagonal_penguin
Oops, sorry. My copy of Complete Divine is still on route from Amazon.
Hey, no problem. Enjoy it. It's got a few erros in it, but overall it's a really great book
Despite what it says in the discription, A monk loses all monk abilities they would lose for armor if they wear it, because a guantlet IS ARMOR . Read the discription of a gauntlet in the PH armor section. As with the rest of the book, no one did their homework.
I'm NOT asking what a reasonable DM would rule in a home campaign. I'm talking about a strict rules interpretation according to how WotC has written specific things like immunities to work. Why a strict interpretation? Because this is for a character who is in the Living Greyhawk campaign, and the LG campaign is run according to strict readings of the rules... no house-ruling business.
Of course, this may get into the aspect of what we already know, that Complete Divine fell short in the editting department.
Here is what I have heard about how a strict interpretation is would work with the Holy Liberator casting his own Enchantment [Charm or Compulsion] spells. Because the Aura of Reslove does not explicitly say that the Holy Liberator is not immune to his own magic, he is therefor immune to it. In all instances where a creature or character is meant to be immune to its own effects it says it. So because it doesn't say it, the Holy Liberator can't cast his heroism on himself.
Would anyone disagree that this is how it works right now, in the strict sense, and that the Aura of Resolve needs to be clarified/fixed?
Regards,
Eric Anondson
But heroism has (harmless) in both Saving Throws and Spell Resistance. That means you can choose if such a spell will affect you or not.
Originally posted by Christian Landry
Yes, the Holy Liberator is immune to charm and compulsion effects, and grants a +4 morale bonus to allies within 10 feet against such spells.
But heroism has (harmless) in both Saving Throws and Spell Resistance. That means you can choose if such a spell will affect you or not.
I certainly don't disagree with you, but I'm not familiar with where I could go to back this claim up were I asked to find the page number that says this that has (harmless) spell can be cast upon a creature that is immune to it.
I know that creatures can suppress their resistances, the PHB says elves can suppress their sleep resistance[/i], but I was under the impression this takes a standard action to suppress such things. So, say I get a DM who is a stickler on this, what page references would I cite him to prove the point?
Regards,
Eric Anondson
It reads like it's all, since in abilities like Divine Wholeness, it specifically mentions "her contemplative level," and Divine Soul says "her class level." I just want to be sure.
Just one question: is it correct that the Favored Soul has only Knowledge (arcane) as class skills? What about Knowledge (religion)? He's a divine spellcaster and he needs that skill for a lot of Prestige Classes..