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#1 ozyburrfoot May 16, 2008 9:20:52	I'm thinking about cutting down on what spells divine casters have access to and I was thinking about giving them a spells known limit, but I don't know if that would vastly affect them and if not, what is fair? I'd also like to allow them to learn new spells similar to wizards. I was thinking about taking the spells known from the Archivist and using that for both clerics and druids. Clerics would have prayerbooks just like the Archivist and would get new spells in the same way (except being limited to the Cleric list only), but I don't know how to handle that for Druids, as a book seems completely out of place for them. Maybe body tattoo runes? Or I could just revise Druids to be spontaneous casters... Thoughts?
#2 selgard May 16, 2008 9:32:35	My answer would largely depend on what problem you are trying to fix. If you are trying to give them a small, defined list of spells (like the sorc or wizard), then your idea would probably work. If the problem is with splat books and such increasing the divine spell list exponentially, then I would suggest something different: namely that Core spells are on their "list", but any outside source spell has to be researched, found, prayed for, or whatever. Once "discovered" it would be on their list- but they would have to do it on a spell-by-spell basis. For the Druid spellbook thing: remember that Sorcs don't have spellbooks either, and that you are dealing with prayer here not actual spell formulae. Even with a limited spell pool sceneario it's entirely possible to just have them pray for their spells. Overall though: It isn't the vast spell selection that makes clerics or druids super powerful.. Like the Wizard,, it's really just a small handful of spells at some levels that tend to raise them to "holy cow" mode. Limiting the spells they can know will not substantially alter that, unless you snip those (or some of those) spells from their lists entirely. -S
#3 ozyburrfoot May 16, 2008 9:39:03	I think I'm going to do the Spontaneous caster option for Druids, so all I really need to know is if making Clerics use a Prayerbook like the Archivist would nerf the class, or if it is just a minor change that would have little significant effect on game play.
#4 Krusk May 16, 2008 14:54:05	Yes it would nerf them. Not in an unneeded way, or a hugely hindering way. If I were to do it, I would probably give them double the archivists spells known, because there are a good ammount of cleric spells they are generally expected to know. Otherwise it shouldn't be a big deal.
#5 tequila_sunrise May 17, 2008 13:17:51	I personally prefer to limit full divine casters to 4 spells known per class level plus any they can cast spontaneously, with no way to expand beyond that but able to trade out spells much like a sorcerer does. Spontaneous divine magic will also work fine though. If you want clerics to be able to gain new spells, I suggest limiting them to the wizard's 2 spells per level. TS
#6 howie23 May 17, 2008 19:02:12	I'm thinking about cutting down on what spells divine casters have access to and I was thinking about giving them a spells known limit, but I don't know if that would vastly affect them and if not, what is fair? I'd also like to allow them to learn new spells similar to wizards. My approach is to limit divine casters to the PHB and five spells for each spell level they can cast from other sources. They can change that list each level for flexibility. My goal is to provide limited resources in order to encourage creativity, but to allow use of the splat books. It also provides me an opportunity to review the list without having to know every freakin' spell out there. David
#7 navar100 May 17, 2008 19:38:56	For clerics you can try my Domains to Spheres idea in another thread.