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Helmets in Combat & Tactics

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#1
Shadowfax7
Oct 15, 2004 15:18:24 There is a discrepancy between the description of the Open-faced helm and the table of helmets in regards to the penalties to surprise.

I have not found any errata to correct this.

The helmets table (pg. 128) states that an Open-faced helm has a -1 penalty to surprise, but the description of the Open-faced helm (pgs. 149) doesn't.

Should the Open-faced helm have a -1 penalty to surprise or not ??
#2
zombiegleemax
Oct 17, 2004 20:53:44 Personally, I'd give it a -1 simply since there is a little hearing impairment. A little harder to hear those thieves closing in for the backstab.
#3
Shadowfax7
Oct 18, 2004 10:06:08 Thanx for your reply.

Any other opinions ??
#4
zombiegleemax
Oct 18, 2004 21:53:46 I would merely because it mentions it beforehand in the book. The description (if I remember) pretty much tells you history and use, no?
#5
Shadowfax7
Oct 20, 2004 18:05:25 The description of the Close-faced helm states that it "can limit vision and hearing. In situations where field of view or clarity of hearing may be important, the DM can impose a -1 penalty to surprise checks . . . "

The description of the Open-faced helm states that it "only moderately compromises vision and hearing." Without mentioning any penalty to surprise checks.

However, both helms list a -1 penalty to surprise in the table of helmets.
#6
zombiegleemax
Oct 20, 2004 18:12:46 Well, the closed face helmet penalty seems right. I think with the open face helm the DM can choose if circumstances offer that penalty or not, due to it saying "moderately comprimises...hearing".

Pretty much up to the DM.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 Shadowfax7 Oct 15, 2004 15:18:24	There is a discrepancy between the description of the Open-faced helm and the table of helmets in regards to the penalties to surprise. I have not found any errata to correct this. The helmets table (pg. 128) states that an Open-faced helm has a -1 penalty to surprise, but the description of the Open-faced helm (pgs. 149) doesn't. Should the Open-faced helm have a -1 penalty to surprise or not ??
#2 zombiegleemax Oct 17, 2004 20:53:44	Personally, I'd give it a -1 simply since there is a little hearing impairment. A little harder to hear those thieves closing in for the backstab.
#3 Shadowfax7 Oct 18, 2004 10:06:08	Thanx for your reply. Any other opinions ??
#4 zombiegleemax Oct 18, 2004 21:53:46	I would merely because it mentions it beforehand in the book. The description (if I remember) pretty much tells you history and use, no?
#5 Shadowfax7 Oct 20, 2004 18:05:25	The description of the Close-faced helm states that it "can limit vision and hearing. In situations where field of view or clarity of hearing may be important, the DM can impose a -1 penalty to surprise checks . . . " The description of the Open-faced helm states that it "only moderately compromises vision and hearing." Without mentioning any penalty to surprise checks. However, both helms list a -1 penalty to surprise in the table of helmets.
#6 zombiegleemax Oct 20, 2004 18:12:46	Well, the closed face helmet penalty seems right. I think with the open face helm the DM can choose if circumstances offer that penalty or not, due to it saying "moderately comprimises...hearing". Pretty much up to the DM.