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Kind of a house-rule...

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#1
vrykolas2k
Dec 25, 2007 22:00:26 For years, I have been letting players who want to be multi-class as a Ranger-Druid do so, as well as a Ranger-Mage. If they're playing a race which allows multi-classing. It always made for unique characters of a certain flavor... anyone else do something similar?
#2
varl
Dec 26, 2007 10:17:27 Yes, I do too.
#3
havard
Dec 28, 2007 15:35:06 I allow all class combos.

Havard
#4
vrykolas2k
Dec 28, 2007 16:57:51
I allow all class combos.

Havard

I don't allow things that break rules completely or are completely illogical.
A Palladin/ Bard, for instance...
#5
havard
Dec 28, 2007 18:04:12
I don't allow things that break rules completely or are completely illogical.
A Palladin/ Bard, for instance...

You mean because of alignment conflicts? I think I might allow a Lawful Bard as an exception. I am generally quite lax on alignments except for with Cleric/Paladin/Druid types...

Havard
#6
vrykolas2k
Dec 28, 2007 23:41:40
You mean because of alignment conflicts? I think I might allow a Lawful Bard as an exception. I am generally quite lax on alignments except for with Cleric/Paladin/Druid types...

Havard

Bard could be any Neutral, so Lawful Neutral would work... but the Palladin has to be Lawful Good, so it wouldn't work.
#7
havard
Dec 30, 2007 11:21:28
Bard could be any Neutral, so Lawful Neutral would work... but the Palladin has to be Lawful Good, so it wouldn't work.

Since we are already tweaking the rules here, I would have no problem allowing Lawful Good Paladin/Bard if the player convinced me it would make for a cool/interesting character.

Havard
#8
havard
Dec 30, 2007 11:29:20
Bard could be any Neutral, so Lawful Neutral would work... but the Palladin has to be Lawful Good, so it wouldn't work.

Since we are already tweaking the rules here, I would have no problem allowing Lawful Good Paladin/Bard if the player convinced me it would make for a cool/interesting character.

Havard
#9
agathokles
Dec 30, 2007 12:06:23
Since we are already tweaking the rules here, I would have no problem allowing Lawful Good Paladin/Bard if the player convinced me it would make for a cool/interesting character.

You'd be already tweaking the rules to have a Paladin of a race that allows multi-classing and Bards.
Also, Paladins/Bards (or Clerics/Bards for that matter) are not recommended, since these would be characters that mix the powers of all four basic classes (i.e., clerical and wizardly magic, thieving abilities, and armor/weapon use), which beats the point of having classes in the game.
Ranger/Mages have a similar (albeit less pronounced) problem.

Ranger/Druids make up a better combination (and possibly even a legal one in campaigns where Druids can be Neutral Good), but in that case a Fighter/Druid would not be that different.
#10
true_atlantean
Jan 01, 2008 22:00:58 I love the idea of a ranger/mage combination. I have ignored the multi-classing restrictions every time I've run 2nd edition, but I've also ignored the racial level restrictions too.

I think that you just go for what the feel of the game dictates. If you can think of a good reason to allow it, or the players could take the concept in a good direction - do it. Your idea has already fuelled the imagination for a secretive order of ranger-mages in the King's service for my game.

Too many ideas, not enough time - but that's what I like about these forums. I learn something or am inspired every time I visit.
#11
robespierre
Jan 24, 2008 12:40:19 I thought that Ranger/Mage was a legal combo... Doesn't it say somewhere in the PHB that you can(though not recomended outside dual classing) mix any class from the four groups (Warrior, Priest, Rogue, Wizard), but not classes from the same group? If this is correct, then a Ranger/Wizard is legal, as is Cleric/Bard, though I do remember the book advising against that one...
#12
agathokles
Jan 25, 2008 13:23:44
I thought that Ranger/Mage was a legal combo... Doesn't it say somewhere in the PHB that you can(though not recomended outside dual classing) mix any class from the four groups (Warrior, Priest, Rogue, Wizard), but not classes from the same group? If this is correct, then a Ranger/Wizard is legal, as is Cleric/Bard, though I do remember the book advising against that one...

Note that a combination must be legal for the character race.
In my PHB, there's no mention of legal Bard multiclass combinations, and the only allowed Ranged combination is the Half-Elf Ranger/Cleric. All other combinations are theoretically legal, if composed of classes that fall in different groups, but not supported by any of the basic races.
Maybe this was changed in later revisions of the PHB (I have the hardcover, not the later black softcover version), though.

G.
#13
vrykolas2k
Jan 25, 2008 17:15:07
Note that a combination must be legal for the character race.
In my PHB, there's no mention of legal Bard multiclass combinations, and the only allowed Ranged combination is the Half-Elf Ranger/Cleric. All other combinations are theoretically legal, if composed of classes that fall in different groups, but not supported by any of the basic races.
Maybe this was changed in later revisions of the PHB (I have the hardcover, not the later black softcover version), though.

G.

Ranger/ Druid is also supported in 2nd ed., as of 10th printing, 1993, for half-elves.
I had the PHB of an earlier printing in which it was also supported, but it was stolen long ago.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 vrykolas2k Dec 25, 2007 22:00:26	For years, I have been letting players who want to be multi-class as a Ranger-Druid do so, as well as a Ranger-Mage. If they're playing a race which allows multi-classing. It always made for unique characters of a certain flavor... anyone else do something similar?
#2 varl Dec 26, 2007 10:17:27	Yes, I do too.
#3 havard Dec 28, 2007 15:35:06	I allow all class combos. Havard
#4 vrykolas2k Dec 28, 2007 16:57:51	I allow all class combos. Havard I don't allow things that break rules completely or are completely illogical. A Palladin/ Bard, for instance...
#5 havard Dec 28, 2007 18:04:12	I don't allow things that break rules completely or are completely illogical. A Palladin/ Bard, for instance... You mean because of alignment conflicts? I think I might allow a Lawful Bard as an exception. I am generally quite lax on alignments except for with Cleric/Paladin/Druid types... Havard
#6 vrykolas2k Dec 28, 2007 23:41:40	You mean because of alignment conflicts? I think I might allow a Lawful Bard as an exception. I am generally quite lax on alignments except for with Cleric/Paladin/Druid types... Havard Bard could be any Neutral, so Lawful Neutral would work... but the Palladin has to be Lawful Good, so it wouldn't work.
#7 havard Dec 30, 2007 11:21:28	Bard could be any Neutral, so Lawful Neutral would work... but the Palladin has to be Lawful Good, so it wouldn't work. Since we are already tweaking the rules here, I would have no problem allowing Lawful Good Paladin/Bard if the player convinced me it would make for a cool/interesting character. Havard
#8 havard Dec 30, 2007 11:29:20	Bard could be any Neutral, so Lawful Neutral would work... but the Palladin has to be Lawful Good, so it wouldn't work. Since we are already tweaking the rules here, I would have no problem allowing Lawful Good Paladin/Bard if the player convinced me it would make for a cool/interesting character. Havard
#9 agathokles Dec 30, 2007 12:06:23	Since we are already tweaking the rules here, I would have no problem allowing Lawful Good Paladin/Bard if the player convinced me it would make for a cool/interesting character. You'd be already tweaking the rules to have a Paladin of a race that allows multi-classing and Bards. Also, Paladins/Bards (or Clerics/Bards for that matter) are not recommended, since these would be characters that mix the powers of all four basic classes (i.e., clerical and wizardly magic, thieving abilities, and armor/weapon use), which beats the point of having classes in the game. Ranger/Mages have a similar (albeit less pronounced) problem. Ranger/Druids make up a better combination (and possibly even a legal one in campaigns where Druids can be Neutral Good), but in that case a Fighter/Druid would not be that different.
#10 true_atlantean Jan 01, 2008 22:00:58	I love the idea of a ranger/mage combination. I have ignored the multi-classing restrictions every time I've run 2nd edition, but I've also ignored the racial level restrictions too. I think that you just go for what the feel of the game dictates. If you can think of a good reason to allow it, or the players could take the concept in a good direction - do it. Your idea has already fuelled the imagination for a secretive order of ranger-mages in the King's service for my game. Too many ideas, not enough time - but that's what I like about these forums. I learn something or am inspired every time I visit.
#11 robespierre Jan 24, 2008 12:40:19	I thought that Ranger/Mage was a legal combo... Doesn't it say somewhere in the PHB that you can(though not recomended outside dual classing) mix any class from the four groups (Warrior, Priest, Rogue, Wizard), but not classes from the same group? If this is correct, then a Ranger/Wizard is legal, as is Cleric/Bard, though I do remember the book advising against that one...
#12 agathokles Jan 25, 2008 13:23:44	I thought that Ranger/Mage was a legal combo... Doesn't it say somewhere in the PHB that you can(though not recomended outside dual classing) mix any class from the four groups (Warrior, Priest, Rogue, Wizard), but not classes from the same group? If this is correct, then a Ranger/Wizard is legal, as is Cleric/Bard, though I do remember the book advising against that one... Note that a combination must be legal for the character race. In my PHB, there's no mention of legal Bard multiclass combinations, and the only allowed Ranged combination is the Half-Elf Ranger/Cleric. All other combinations are theoretically legal, if composed of classes that fall in different groups, but not supported by any of the basic races. Maybe this was changed in later revisions of the PHB (I have the hardcover, not the later black softcover version), though. G.
#13 vrykolas2k Jan 25, 2008 17:15:07	Note that a combination must be legal for the character race. In my PHB, there's no mention of legal Bard multiclass combinations, and the only allowed Ranged combination is the Half-Elf Ranger/Cleric. All other combinations are theoretically legal, if composed of classes that fall in different groups, but not supported by any of the basic races. Maybe this was changed in later revisions of the PHB (I have the hardcover, not the later black softcover version), though. G. Ranger/ Druid is also supported in 2nd ed., as of 10th printing, 1993, for half-elves. I had the PHB of an earlier printing in which it was also supported, but it was stolen long ago.