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#1
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 13:47:28 I'm looking back through some older editions and I'm at a loss. I seem to remember that demihumans had maximum levels in certain classes in 2nd edition. Is that the case and, if so, where can I find that information in the Player's Handbook?
Was this max level system only in 1e or am I going crazy?
#2
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 14:15:31 you aren't crazy. 2edADnD also had level limits for demi-humans.
#3
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 14:23:41 Well, at least I know I'm not losing my mind now! :D

Thanks for the information but does anybody know what page (or even what section) I can find that information in the PHB? Thanks again.
#4
Thailfi
May 03, 2004 15:02:28 The demi human level limitations were much more generous in 2e than they were in 3e. The only advantage to playing a thief in 1e was the fact that thief was the only class demi-humans could progress to unlimited levels in in 1e. Most other classes had level limits in the single digits.

2e had at least one class a demi-human could progress to at least 15th in and some races had 2 classes that could go that high. Most level restrictions were only from 12-15 level.
#5
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 15:09:00 Thanks for the help guys, and I found them in the DMG (no wonder I couldn't find them)!
#6
kengar
May 03, 2004 15:20:37 Demi-humans (elf, dwarf & halfling) also had level limits in Basic/Expert D&D (non AD&D). Of course, in Basic your race was your class!
#7
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 15:50:48 That's a good point...and another question actually. :D

In basic you still advanced your demihuman to some degree even after hitting your max level. Does 2nd edition do that as well or do you just stop gaining xp once you hit your max level as a demihuman? I didn't really know I was THIS rusty on the older editions!
#8
krothos
May 03, 2004 16:02:40 I believe that you stop advancing levels in that max class. However, I always provided my players with the option of continuing, but at a 50% penalty. The PC would require x2 the XP to advance to the next level. IMHO, shows progress without stating "that's it, you're done! No more levels for you!!!" :sad:
:D
#9
zombiegleemax
May 03, 2004 21:41:48 There are two options for exceeding level limits in 2e, I use both (sorta). The first one is based off the characters prime requisite score (see DMG pg 15, Table 8). The second suggests slowing advancement down (DMG pg 14, blue optional rule), but this includes the period before reaching the max level. I've modified this, I only do the slower advancement when the max level (modified by prime requisite score) is hit. Then it takes 2x the XP per level. The players I've DM'd for haven't had a problem with this system. You can still keep playing that Elven Knight, it just takes you a little longer to advance.
#10
snowbeark
May 03, 2004 22:37:23 Elven Knights weren't the problem with the level limits...it was those damn Ogres with Titan strength who were clerics.

#11
zombiegleemax
May 04, 2004 2:00:45 Thanks for the information, that helps a lot. I'm working at converting my 3e game to 2nd edition because I just can't take it anymore and I'm sure I'll need to brush up on the rules big time even though 2nd edition was the only thing I played for about ten years. Thanks again for the helping hands.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 13:47:28	I'm looking back through some older editions and I'm at a loss. I seem to remember that demihumans had maximum levels in certain classes in 2nd edition. Is that the case and, if so, where can I find that information in the Player's Handbook? Was this max level system only in 1e or am I going crazy?
#2 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 14:15:31	you aren't crazy. 2edADnD also had level limits for demi-humans.
#3 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 14:23:41	Well, at least I know I'm not losing my mind now! :D Thanks for the information but does anybody know what page (or even what section) I can find that information in the PHB? Thanks again.
#4 Thailfi May 03, 2004 15:02:28	The demi human level limitations were much more generous in 2e than they were in 3e. The only advantage to playing a thief in 1e was the fact that thief was the only class demi-humans could progress to unlimited levels in in 1e. Most other classes had level limits in the single digits. 2e had at least one class a demi-human could progress to at least 15th in and some races had 2 classes that could go that high. Most level restrictions were only from 12-15 level.
#5 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 15:09:00	Thanks for the help guys, and I found them in the DMG (no wonder I couldn't find them)!
#6 kengar May 03, 2004 15:20:37	Demi-humans (elf, dwarf & halfling) also had level limits in Basic/Expert D&D (non AD&D). Of course, in Basic your race was your class!
#7 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 15:50:48	That's a good point...and another question actually. :D In basic you still advanced your demihuman to some degree even after hitting your max level. Does 2nd edition do that as well or do you just stop gaining xp once you hit your max level as a demihuman? I didn't really know I was THIS rusty on the older editions!
#8 krothos May 03, 2004 16:02:40	I believe that you stop advancing levels in that max class. However, I always provided my players with the option of continuing, but at a 50% penalty. The PC would require x2 the XP to advance to the next level. IMHO, shows progress without stating "that's it, you're done! No more levels for you!!!" :sad: :D
#9 zombiegleemax May 03, 2004 21:41:48	There are two options for exceeding level limits in 2e, I use both (sorta). The first one is based off the characters prime requisite score (see DMG pg 15, Table 8). The second suggests slowing advancement down (DMG pg 14, blue optional rule), but this includes the period before reaching the max level. I've modified this, I only do the slower advancement when the max level (modified by prime requisite score) is hit. Then it takes 2x the XP per level. The players I've DM'd for haven't had a problem with this system. You can still keep playing that Elven Knight, it just takes you a little longer to advance.
#10 snowbeark May 03, 2004 22:37:23	Elven Knights weren't the problem with the level limits...it was those damn Ogres with Titan strength who were clerics.
#11 zombiegleemax May 04, 2004 2:00:45	Thanks for the information, that helps a lot. I'm working at converting my 3e game to 2nd edition because I just can't take it anymore and I'm sure I'll need to brush up on the rules big time even though 2nd edition was the only thing I played for about ten years. Thanks again for the helping hands.