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| #1rkr1970Oct 07, 2005 17:23:27 | Today's gamers seem to have a common core mythology from which to draw. So many of us can reference bits and pieces from the worlds of J.R.R. Tolkien, George Lucas, and Gene Rodenberry with no context and still have other gamers know exactly what we're talking about. Most gamers seem to quote television or movies around the gaming table. (There are those that call me... Tim!) More than half the people reading this right now could separate DC's characters from Marvel's if given a list of comic book heroes. But how often do you hear gamers any more talk about books? In the 1st Ed DMG, there is a section called Inspirational & Educational Reading. Written by Gary Gygax, I wanted to offer up his list, to those who have never had the chance to see it. Taken from the Dungeon Master's Guide, AD&D 1st Edition, by Gary Gygax: [INDENT]Andarson, Poul. THREE HEARTS AND THREE LIONS; THE HIGH CRUSADE; THE BROKEN SWORD Bellairs, John. THE FACE IN THE FROST Brackett, Leigh. Brown, Fredric. Burroughs, Edgar Rice. "Pellucidar" Series; Mars Series; Venus Series Carter, Lin. "World's End" Series de Camp, L. Sprague. LEST DARKNESS FALL, FALLIBLE FIEND; et al. de Camp & Pratt. 'Harold Shea" Series; CARNELIAN CUBE Derleth, August. Dunsany, Lord. Farmer, P. J. "The World of the Tiers" Series; et al. Fox, Gardner. "Kothar" Series; "Kyrik" Series; et al. Howord, R. E. "Conan" Series Lanier, Sterling. HIERO'S JOURNEY Leiber, Fritz. "Fafhrd & Gray Mouser" Series; et al. Lovecraft, H. P. Merrit, A. CREEP, SHADOW, CREEP; MOON POOL; DWELLERS IN THE MIRAGE; et al. Moorcock, Michael. STORMBRINGER; STEALER OF SOULS; "Hawkmoon" Series (esp. the first three books) Norton, Andre. Offutt, Andrew J., edilor SWORDS AGAINST DARKNESS III. Pratt, Fletcher, BLUE STAR; et al. Saberhagen, Fred. CHANGEING EARTH; et al. St. Clair, Margaret. THE SHADOW PEOPLE; SIGN OF THE LABRYS Tolkien, J. R. R. THE HOBBIT, "Ring Trilogy" Vance, Jack. THE EYES OF THE OVERWORLD; THE DYING EARTH; et al. Weinbaum, Stanley. Wellman, Manly Wade. Williamson, Jack. Zelazny, Roger. JACK OF SHADOWS; "Amber" Series; et al. The most immediate influences upon AD&D were probably de Camp & Pratt, REH, Fritz Leiber, Jack Vance, HPL, and A. Merritt; but all of the above authors, as well as many not listed, certainly helped to shape the form of the game. For this reason, and for the hours of reading enjoyment, I heartily recommend the works of these fine authors to you.[/INDENT] I personally took Gary's words to heart and read most of the books he recommended. My gaming experience became even better afterwards. I would like to add several authors to this list. Here are some other authors, mostly more recent, that I would suggest to my fellow gamers... Abbey, Lynn. Anthony, Piers. Asprin, Robert. Bova, Ben. Bradley, Marion Zimmer. Brooks, Terry. Donaldson, Stephen. Eddings, David. Feist, Raymond E. Jordan, Robert. Lackey, Mercedes. Le Guin, Ursula K. Lewis, C. S. (Read Narnia BEFORE the first movie comes out this Christmas) McCaffrey, Anne. Modesitt Jr., L. E. Pratchett, Terry. Wurts, Janny. And of course, let's not forget Ed Greenwood, R. A. Salvatore, or Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman, all of whom have more than influenced the game. They have each reshaped it from within. I have read books by all of these authors (my list & Gary's) and found them all to be fantastic. If you know of other books that are must reads for die-hard gamers, please let the rest of us know! It's time to expand the core gamer mythos. |
| #2phantom_lord_02Oct 20, 2005 21:03:11 | Martin, George R. R. - A Song of Ice and Fire It's good stuff :D |
| #3zombiegleemaxOct 21, 2005 13:46:58 | I've read a lot of the authors on your list, but interestingly you missed my two favourite. Steven Erickson (the Malazan Book of the Fallen series) and George R.R. Martin (Song of Ice and Fire series) |
| #4ultimaterealityOct 21, 2005 22:05:17 | This is a really great list, but I'd expand the bibliography a bit. Let us know what kind of stuff Terry Brooks writes, what his best known or best work is, and how he's been used in your work. A straight list is fine, but a bit bland, and doesn't offer me any real starting point (other than alphabetical order). I know most of these authors due to my work in a library, but others aren't so lucky. |
| #5zombiegleemaxOct 26, 2005 10:36:08 | Awesome list! As a side note, Roger Zelazny's Amber series has 3 new books in it written by Betancourt. It's the story of how Amber came to be and of Oberon's beginnings. Very good read if you enjoy the multiverse that is Amber. To add to the list: Hobb, Robin: Farseer Trilogy (The Assassin Apprentice etc. 6 books) |
| #6thanqolOct 29, 2005 0:31:10 | Riely, Matthew. Pratchett, Terry. Gemmal, David. All you need. |
| #7zombiegleemaxOct 30, 2005 8:25:49 | Cook, Glen( Black Company et al) Moon, Elizabeth |
| #8zombiegleemaxOct 30, 2005 12:22:09 | I'd like to add George R.R. Martin's Song of Ice and Fire series to this list. It's definitely a great series and, if you play in the Greyhawk setting, it's very "Greyhawkish". Definitely a gaming-enhancer. |
| #9wookie1120Nov 02, 2005 19:29:00 | I would add to this list: Farland, David. The Runelords Series Wrede, Patricia C. The Enchanted Forest Chronicles (also very good for the younger readers in your life) |
| #10gilean_dupNov 04, 2005 10:36:36 | Awesome list! As a side note, Roger Zelazny's Amber series has 3 new books in it written by Betancourt. It's the story of how Amber came to be and of Oberon's beginnings. Very good read if you enjoy the multiverse that is Amber. From what I have heard, the new books weren't of nearly the same quality as the originals were. Oh, and Song of Ice and Fire is a great read. |
| #11zombiegleemaxNov 04, 2005 12:45:53 | How about Patricia A McKillip? One of the best fantasy writers around, IMHO. Some of my favorites include Od Magic, The Forgotten Beasts of Eld and Alphabet of Thorn. Guaranteed to get you thinking outside the box about magic and fantasy. Love this thread btw, nobody can ever read too much. |
| #12zombiegleemaxNov 06, 2005 16:57:12 | Sword of Shannara series by Terry...goodkind? It's on the other side of my room, sort of a rip off of the fellowship but very good book(s). |
| #13zombiegleemaxNov 09, 2005 18:02:47 | Terry Brooks wrote the Shannara series, but, TERRY BROOKS wrote one of the best stories ever, with some of the most dynamic characters ever. Many of his ideas appear in my campaigns and are without a doubt wonderful. The name of the series is the Sword of Truth series, with the first book being, "The Wizard's First Rule." |
| #14zombiegleemaxNov 10, 2005 18:50:28 | Great idea, horrible execution. Leave out the needless formality and cut the list down to...Jordan, Robert. |
| #15gilean_dupNov 14, 2005 10:41:25 | Great idea, horrible execution. Leave out the needless formality and cut the list down to... The WoT has great world, but the books get a bit tedious after some point (the number of the book is lost to me, I only have read the translated ones which use different numbers). I prefer Martin. |
| #16kragar-s_shadowDec 04, 2005 17:15:56 | I wish to second Steven Erikson's Malazan Book of the Fallen series. For setting and master/familiar relations I recommend Stephen Brust's Vlad Taltos series. Start with Jhereg. |
| #17zombiegleemaxDec 08, 2005 8:54:08 | Sure, she rights children’s books, but I would highly recommend Pierce, Tamora Who wrote the Circle of Magic, Lioness Rampant, Immortals, Protector of the Small, and Trickster series (all of which, besides the Trickster books, are quintets). |
| #18smilodanDec 11, 2005 6:51:44 | Steven Brust (especially his Phoenix Guards series if you're into swashbuckling and/or ripping off Alexander Dumas) Emma Bull (War for the Oaks) Jim Butcher (Dresden Files) Jacqueline Carey (very interesting political landscape and cosmology) C.J. Cherryh (especially her Goblin's Mirror and any of her SF if you need help fleshing out non-human psychologies and politics) Charles De Lint (it's more Urban Arcana, but still good, especially on how different cultures would interpret planes of existence) Neil Gaiman (especially Neverwhere and Stardust) Laurell K. Hamilton (it's more modern horror, but shows how a "normal" society would interact with critters and folk of the supernatural kind) Sharon Shinn (if you're into celestial politics and bards) Of the D&D writers, I like Jeff Grubb and Kate Novak's Azure Bond and the rest of the Finder's Stone series. The quests are personal and generally not "save the world-y." |
| #19zombiegleemaxDec 11, 2005 7:15:53 | Yes, George R.R. Martin is GREAT, his "Song of fire and ice" is the best fantasy I read since Tolkien (yes, a VERY creative compliment to make, I know :D). And talking about Tolkien: The Silmarillion should not be left out. Maybe it wasn’t printed when Gygax wrote his list, otherwise he made a mistake by not naming it. However, we should not forget the classics: Beowulf, the Iliad, the Nibelungs, the tales of King Arthur... |
| #20FargrenDec 11, 2005 19:31:04 | Liliana Bodoc, Saga de los Confines .The best fantasy saga written in Spanish, ever. I doubt it's been translated, though. It's about the invasion of America, from a Native American point of view (all America, not just north America), with a lot of fantasy and magic put into it. |
| #21wolfram_stoutDec 14, 2005 11:25:35 | For character ideas, I have found some great material in non-fantasy books. Moby Dick has a great cast of minor characters. My favorite is the ex-mariner Priest that uses a boat ladder to climb into the Church's pulpit. For Psionics, K. Kurtz Deryni series is great. Raymond Feist is great for generic fantasy. The Black Company is great for dark fantasy. Wolfram |
| #22zombiegleemaxDec 20, 2005 9:40:09 | Ash, Sarah - Tears of Artamon series |
| #23zombiegleemaxDec 21, 2005 13:32:26 | For a dramatic insight into human nature you should look at The Wizard's First rule series by Terry Goodkind. Additionally some of Robert Jordan's books are good stuff. I also whole heartedly agree with the nomination of Terry Pratchett. I've always wanted to design a character based on that deluded hermit in the desert from the book Small Gods. |
| #24gmorkJan 05, 2006 6:18:34 | Terry Brooks wrote the Shannara series, but, Actually, the Sword of Truth saga was written by TERRY GOODKIND. Otherwise, I thoroughly agree with it being one of the best fantasy sagas ever written. Its ideas about magic and the storyline are very refreshing, in a literature genre (Sword & Fantasy) that too often repeats the same concepts and plots to the point of becoming boring at times. Plus, it features some of the strongest (in terms of personality) characters in fantasy literature. I would surely recommend reading these books. |
| #25zombiegleemaxJan 06, 2006 15:19:29 | Hearn, Lian. Tales of the Otori trilogy. (1s- Across the Nightingale Floor, 2nd- Grass for His Pillow, 3rd- Brilliance of the Moon) An epic story in a pseudo medieval Japan setting, where we learn that an assassin can be good. |
| #26eksemJan 08, 2006 15:52:13 | I would first and foremost recommend Fritz Leibers books, since the tales of Fafhrd and Grey Mouser are the only fantasy stories i've read so far where the main characters actually act like D&D-PCs (well, maybe except for that barbarian from the Discworld-books). Instead of destroying a good tale with high ideals, deep character development and other things totally unuseful it's just about two guys who like women and wine and try to get their hands on as much gold as possible to increase the number of women and the amount of wine around them. Of course they always get dragged into fantastic battles with evil wizards, saving cities from doom and all that, but really, they're in it for the sex, drugs and money. Much like any D&D-campaign. Or is that just my players? Generally I feel that the more of old sword and sorcery (Conan, Elric and the like) and the less of modern Tolkien-ripoffs (like that awful Wheel of Time) the better. |
| #27innomadoJan 11, 2006 1:30:03 | For setting and master/familiar relations I recommend Stephen Brust's Vlad Taltos series. Start with Jhereg. An excellent suggestion, I have read Jhereg several times and every time I intend to hunt up the other books but somehow forget. However, we should not forget the classics: Beowulf, the Iliad, the Nibelungs, the tales of King Arthur... You deserve a medal! To you list of classics may I add Gilgamesh? For my own contribution I would like to suggest Angus Wells. I have read part of "The Kingdoms" trilogy and all of "The God Wars" trilogy and aside from being some of my favorite books (I relish the thought of reading them again.) there is much in terms of social and cultural dynamics as well as excellent description of classic types of settings, cultures, and sub-cultures to be found within them. All of that can be used to enhance how a DM molds his/her world and how a player has his/her character interact with it. But then again anything you read will benefit you. And don't forget that history can be an excellent source of inspiration. |
| #28Brom_BlackforgeJan 11, 2006 17:05:47 | I'd recommend Lloyd Alexander's Prydain chronicles: "The Book of Three," "The Black Cauldron," "The Castle of Llyr," "Taran Wanderer," and "The High King." They're classified as "young adult," but I was well past that stage when I read them, and I enjoyed them anyway. There are one or two ideas I came across in the books that I'd love to adapt to D&D. Plus, they're a great read. |
| #29corrinJan 16, 2006 13:12:34 | Gah. I've gone off of the Sword of Truth books even more than I've gone off TWoT. Goodkind has completely given up plot/character development in favor of convoluted set-ups to support Randian pseudo-philosophy. Definitely agree that the Silmarillion is required reading, if you still have an attention span; the Fritz Leiber stuff off the original list is fantastic too. A fun one I haven't seen mentioned is the Kushiel series by Jacqueline Carey, and the Dune books are a VERY fantasy tinged take on Sci-Fi. |
| #30zombiegleemaxJan 17, 2006 12:27:44 | No one mentioned the classics! Beowulf The Illiad Odyessy Now that is some adventuring material! |
| #31gilean_dupJan 19, 2006 10:48:13 | Hearn, Lian. Tales of the Otori trilogy. I found the amount of description disturbing. Namely, there was practically none. Might have been the translation, though. |
| #32smilodanJan 19, 2006 18:13:13 | I'm actually working on a campaign where the religions are just major rip-offs of Jacqueline Carey's Kushiel Series (Grandson of God and His Seven Companion Angels), Lois McMaster Bujold's Curse of Chalion series (Holy Family of Father, Mother, Son, Daughter, and Bastard), Peter Hamilton's Night's Dawn series (evil religion of God's Brother), Sara Douglas's series (the one with The God who invented agriculture and declared forests and mountains evil because they make poor farmland). It fun trying to find a unifying theme among cosmologies invented by totally different people. The campaign is being loosely based on "The Goblin Mirror" by C.J. Cherryh. So it's faerie land intensive. |
| #33grierJan 19, 2006 23:59:00 | I strongly second David Eddings. He's one of my favorite authors of all time. (My personal opinion, but then, all of these are.) If you want more info, here's what he's got: Fantasy novels, featuring one main character and lots of excellent supporting cast, with a lot of realism. Don't worry, it makes sense when you read it. His sense of humor is great too. He's got two 5-book cycles, two autobiographies of important characters in the series, and one behind-the-scenes book. I own all of these books, and I highly recommend them. The Belgariad: Pawn of Prophecy Queen of Sorcery Magician's Gambit Castle of Wizardry Enchanter's End Game The Malloreon: Guardians of the West King of the Murgos Demon Lord of Karanda Sorceress of Darshiva The Seeress of Kell He has also written two trilogies, The Elenium and The Tamuli, but I haven't gotten around to reading them, so I don't have any knowledge of them. |
| #34moonslayerJan 21, 2006 16:36:56 | I would also add: Saberhagen's Books of Swords and Lost Swords books, maybe not the most developed setting, but who wouldn't want to be packing one of the Twelve? Mickey Zucker Reichert "Legend of Nightfall" and "Return of Nightfall" Mercedes Lackey just about anything, but mainly the Valdemar books and the Bardic Voices stuff As for the two trilogies by Eddings, they are good reads, but pretty much follow the same kind of formula that the "Belgariad" and "Mallorean" do. That said, he still does some of the best characters I've ever read. |
| #35zombiegleemaxJan 22, 2006 9:54:35 | Don't forget Douglas Adams! Even if his most renowned was futuristic, you can still get great ideas from his works! |
| #36smilodanJan 26, 2006 17:55:48 | Is Tad William's Green Angel Tower series worth getting into? |
| #37gilean_dupJan 27, 2006 8:42:13 | Eddings gets repetitive. I suggest Althalus, it is one book only. If it is liked, read more. Eddings' have this fixation with prophecies and the good always winning, too easily sometimes. |
| #38zombiegleemaxJan 27, 2006 23:57:57 | Gene Wolfe's "Book of the New Sun" series is some of the most challenging and rewarding fantasy I've ever read. Having read Tolkien, Brooks, R.E.H., Lieber, Morcock and Asprin, (among others) Wolfe's work was an amazing departure from the typical fantasy novel or series. His writing style is absolutely unlike ANY other fantasy author I've ever encountered. If you're up for the challenge you won't be disappointed. If you're looking for inspiration for a good fighter character, read Stephen Hunter's 'Hot Springs' and 'Pale Horse Coming'. Both novels are set in a contemporary setting and are all about honor, justice, military tactics, machine guns, and hard-as-nails USMC Marines. They're real page turners. Having read both R.E.H. and Hunter, I'd love to see Conan face off against Earl Swagger -- either one could come out on top, and chances are they'd fight to some kind of draw. Great thread. I remain, G-man |
| #39gilean_dupJan 28, 2006 2:13:59 | Is Tad William's Green Angel Tower series worth getting into? If it is the one with the three swords, yes, probably. It gives great inspiration to include interesting fey in the game. Excellent in that quality, at least. |
| #40smilodanJan 31, 2006 7:18:38 | I'll have to check it out, then. The campaign I'm currently running is heavy on fey, featuring the consequences of the goblins and trolls ending their war against each other and taking on the civilized lands. There's a paladin, a ranger, a fighter, and a wizard...so three sword wielders (the fighter is an archer), so that might be inspirational too. I've also enjoyed the sidhe court politicking in the Merry Gentry series by Laurell K. Hamilton, but it has way too many kinks and not enough plot. |
| #41zombiegleemaxFeb 21, 2006 20:34:30 | Stephenson,Neal Lovecraft, H.P. Who ever wrote the Golden Compass, Subtle Knife and Amber Spyglass |
| #42zombiegleemaxFeb 22, 2006 20:52:36 | My own humble contribution would be Lewis Carroll’s book "Alice in Wonderland," "Through the Looking Glass," and "Sylvie and Bruno.” Not so much for similarities with D&D, but for the extraordinary imagination and absurdity of his books. Anyone looking for insane quirks or great quotes to use should read him. I am also thinking about adapting "Wonderland" into D&D. Some sort of parallel high magic world, with living spells as in Eberron and the weirdest set of NPCs ever to have their character sheets written. |
| #43darthmarasmusFeb 23, 2006 8:56:27 | I'm not afraid to say it, when Ed Greenwood practically made Elminster God, he ceased to be a good writer. With that out of the way, I can't believe nobody included Frank Herbert and the Dune series. It's sort of more of a sci-fi series than fantasy, but the Fremen are really cool and it can give some ideas for psionics or for "breeding programs" (like my roommate's blind psion/psychic warrior). We also draw heavily on Terry Pratchett (especially from any of the books set mainly in Ankh-Morpork or the Death books). I'd recommend Reaperman, The Color of Magic, Soul Music, and Men at Arms. We play mainly in the FR setting (mainly because we don't have material for anything else and we've got an overabundance of FR stuff, we'd LOVE to run Darksun, but we can't find the old 2e setting, so we don't have the basics of the world), so I draw a lot from Salvatore's books for world history and fleshing out the world. I would also recommend Edgar Allen Poe, C.S. Lewis, Christopher Marlowe, William Shakespeare (The Tempest, Macbeth, etc.), and Jonathan Swift. |
| #44zombiegleemaxFeb 23, 2006 17:03:37 | Completely true, but by far my favorite author is Robert Jordan. I had to wait almost six months for his second to last release before I could get it from the library. |
| #45nytmareFeb 24, 2006 15:27:52 | Not fantasy, but I would argue that they're both very useful for very different reasons: Truth in Comedy: A Manual of Improvisation - Charna Halpern, Del Close, Kim Johnson Guns, Germs, and Steel - Jared Diamond |
| #46dmdaddyFeb 25, 2006 1:24:29 | My parents were DMs from the very first releases and they had book shelves full of most of the novel mentions here. In 1982' I started reading and read most of them. They are all awesome books, even though they can be criticised for many reason. Some other authors that are good for the mind is Robert A. Heinlein, Mary Shelley's Frankenstein, and Stephen King. Though these are science fiction and horror, they are still excellent to add to your knowledge. Of all the books on this list, the easiest reads will be any of Piers Anthony's Xanth serious. Seriously, reading a novel is a good thing. Come on, make the sacrifice. |
| #47nellisirFeb 27, 2006 8:57:09 | Tad Williams and Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn are worth getting into. A few more recommendations Hughart, Barry - Bridge of Birds. Kay, Guy Gavriel - The Summer Tree, The Wandering Fire, The Darkest Road; Tigana Rohan, Michael Scott - The Anvil of Ice, The Forge in the Forest, THe Hammer of the Sun; The Singer and the Sea, The Castle of the Winds "classics" Mabinogion (I prefer the Jones & Jones translation) Chretian de Troyes - Arthurian Romances Grimm's Fairy Tales |
| #48zombiegleemaxMar 02, 2006 1:35:20 | I used to really like fantasy books, and I pretty much read whatever I could get my hands on without much regard for quality. Now most fantasy/sci-fi doesn't really do anything for me. It just seems too self-indulgent or unoriginal. There are a few I still really enjoy, though. Dante Alighieri's Divine Comedy. There's not much I can say about this work to do it justice. Even if you're not a Christian (I'm not), there's a lot of very profound messages in this work. It's a hard read, though it's one of the few literary pieces that I actually enjoyed researching and studying. H.P. Lovecraft is the horror writer in my mind. The entire genre doesn't get any better than him. I've never really been into "supernatural horror" or what have you, but I nonetheless count this guy as one of my all-time favorite writers. Edgar Allen Poe is also a very compelling writer and a great poet. I guess you could say that he wrote "horror", but that's not entirely accurate as "horror" didn't really exist as a genre when he was writing. At any rate, great stuff. I've been really enjoying reading Neil Gaiman lately. His writing doesn't really suffer from the unsophistication (is that a word?) that I find many fantasy writings today do. I'd hazard to say that he's actually quite talented. J.R.R. Tolkien opened the floodgates, but I can forgive him because he's the best in the entire genre. Johann Wolfgang Goethe, specifically Faust. Another one of those "profound" works. Franz Kafka. He's got some really surreal stuff. |
| #49hiqkidMar 02, 2006 20:00:51 | Who ever wrote the Golden Compass, Subtle Knife and Amber Spyglass That'd be Phillip Pullman, and I agree. Also - Guanzhong, Luo - Romance of the Three Kingdoms (Good Stuff) |
| #50siangerMar 02, 2006 21:02:28 | With that out of the way, I can't believe nobody included Frank Herbert and the Dune series. It's sort of more of a sci-fi series than fantasy, but the Fremen are really cool and it can give some ideas for psionics or for "breeding programs" (like my roommate's blind psion/psychic warrior). I agree. He's definitely sci-fi but in terms of depth of description, and the unique nature of his cultures, it's really quite something. Completely true, but by far my favorite author is Robert Jordan. I had to wait almost six months for his second to last release before I could get it from the library. Having faithfully read all the Jordan books, on the whole I feel he's quite good. But some of the books (like no. 10) are just way too slow - fitting five or six storylines in one book gives too little time to each one, so you could skip the book and not miss much. The latest one (no. 11) has my full approval, though. Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series is amazing for its character development. And the first one (Wizard's First Rule) in particular has an outstanding plotline - it'd make one heck of a campaign. I cannot help but feel like several elements of his world are ripped off from WoT, though (but I've not read the latest couple of books so I may be wrong). Finally, as to the classics - for a good insight into the medieval chivalric ideal (which is part of archetypal fantasy, and a good insight into how "paladin" types should behave), try The Nibelungenlied, or better yet Le Chanson de Roland (The Song of Roland) and The Song of My Cid (El Cid). |
| #51reighnhellMar 02, 2006 22:56:53 | My tastes lean closer to horror, as is reflected by in my games. For a darker flavor, I recommend the following. Brom Stoker (Dracula) Clive Barker (Books of Blood, Cabal) H.P Lovecraft (pretty much anything) Mary Shelly (Frankenstein) Stephen King (Eyes of the Dragon, The Dark Tower Series) Richard Matheson (Hell House, I Am Legend). |
| #52zombiegleemaxMar 03, 2006 14:54:49 | Lois McMaster Bujold's Curse of Chalion series (Holy Family of Father, Mother, Son, Daughter, and Bastard) Looks like SmiloDan beat me to it, but I would further endorse Bujold's Chalion series (Curse of Chalion, Paladin of Souls, Hallowed Hunt) for its complex history, theology and magic systems in a world based off of medieval Spain (and later, England). |
| #53jenrockMar 03, 2006 20:13:32 | Some authors I was surprised not to see (I guess they are "young adult") are Garth Nix, Christopher Paolini, Brian Jacques, and Chris Wooding. All of these are especially good fantasy authors. P.S. Show Lloyd Alexander's Iron Ring some love too! |
| #54shaggy_shaggsMar 05, 2006 12:01:41 | Stover, Matthew Woodring - Heroes Die Nice development of an antihero protagonist, and some amusing IC/OOC parallels in the dual worlds situation. |
| #55PippaMar 05, 2006 12:03:05 | I am very, very disappointed not to see Tanith Lee in any of these suggestions. She absolutely stole my heart with 'Night's Master' (caution: mature stuff), and all other books I could lay my hands on were great as well. The situations, characters and descriptions are brilliant; this is must-read material. |
| #56cryosilverMar 05, 2006 18:29:03 | No one has mentioned Dennis McKiernan. That makes me kinda sad. |
| #57ghostwheelMar 06, 2006 0:33:55 | Shakespeare. Zelazny. Clemmons. King. Toland. The 1st 4 are obvious choices for any fantasy/imaginative campaign. John Toland is an author that should be read for those who want to run a campaign that involves a war (he is a historian that penned some quite good books). I offer this for those who run war-oriented campaigns. |
| #58zombiegleemaxMar 06, 2006 20:00:47 | What a great list. A name I would add is Ian M. Banks. Mostly Sci. Fi but a great world builder. "Player of Games" is excellent. |
| #59arkonth_dupMar 06, 2006 22:34:52 | No one has mentioned Neil Gaiman yet. Both his traditional and graphic novels were good, especially some of his villains. |
| #60zombiegleemaxMar 06, 2006 23:20:24 | Someone else mentioned it already but "Three Kingdoms" by Luo Guanzhong is really a great book that can give a lot of inspiration about politics, intrigue, and mass battle. You also get a very subtle feel of supernatural ability and magic that isn't at all like throwing Fireball, but still holds strength in its own right. It doesn't get into nitty gritty. "His blade flashed under his opponents weapon and the point cut deep into his opponents flesh yada yada etc." so it may disappoint you a bit there if you are used to more modern stuff (duh). If you have played any of the Dynasty Warriors titles, the game is loosely based on these books. You can also conveniently read it online for free at http://www.threekingdoms.com Along the same lines, "Outlaws of the Marsh / Tales of the Water Margin," by Shi Ai'Nan (same book, different titles) is another great tale, but this one is much more focused on the personal exploits of the heroes involved. There are a good number of interesting and memorable characters. If you have played any of the Suikoden games for the Playstation / PS2, those games are also loosely based after this book. Sadly, I know of no place where you can read it like the previous book |
| #61scottishswash91_dupMar 08, 2006 1:05:00 | What about "The Once and Future King" and Chris Claremont/George Lucas follow up novels to the film "Willow?" |
| #62sioulubbMar 08, 2006 8:53:58 | I'll second the recommendations for Terry Goodkind's Sword of Truth series and George RR Martin's Song of Ice and Fire. Both compulsively readable. Other good series are David Gemmell's works. Epic fantasy worlds based on Europe. Very well done. Robin Hobb's Farseer series is also good. Again, a good assassin. One of the best examples of an animal companion relationship I've ever read. If you want some fun, try Simon Green's Hawk and Fisher series. Two fantasy cops in a very bad town. It's pulp, but oh so much fun. The Warhammer Gotrex and Felix novels are similarly pulp fun. nothing too serious, but you'll pick up a few ideas. David Weber is better known for his science fiction, but his fantasy novels, starting with the Oath of Swords are fun. Good focus on being a God's chosen/Paladin and being a larger race (kind of like a goliath) among humans and dwarves, etc. Similar in tone and pacing to Eddings. At the Baen books website, they've put up a number of their books in their entirety for free. Worth looking at. |
| #63zombiegleemaxMar 08, 2006 10:20:21 | No one has mentioned Neil Gaiman yet. Both his traditional and graphic novels were good, especially some of his villains. actually: Neil Gaiman (especially Neverwhere and Stardust) but he deserves a second (and third!) mention. On top of that, id also like to second: My own humble contribution would be Lewis Carroll’s book "Alice in Wonderland," "Through the Looking Glass," and "Sylvie and Bruno.” and Who ever wrote the Golden Compass, Subtle Knife and Amber Spyglass (Side note: that’s the 'His Dark Materials' trilogy.) I’d also like to add the Neverending Story, by Michael Ende. Yes, the books the movies were based on. Incredible stuff. |
| #64zombiegleemaxMar 08, 2006 23:17:37 | I think Christopher Stasheff's "Wizard in Rhyme" and Warlock series both belong on this list. The warlock series dragged towards the end, and the sequel series (Rogue Wizard) never caught my attention; but the adventures of Rodney d'Armand and Matthew Mantrell are excellent reads, and can provide ideas for gaming. Mickey Zucker Reichert's Renshai Trilogy and Chronicles could be handy to anyone looking to run a Norse themed campaign. Or just if you want to read a good book. And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention William Mark Simmons' "The Dreamland Chronicles". It is by far my favorite trilogy, and so few people have heard of it. It is a grand fantasy under the guise of sci-fi; and contains deep philosophical debates hidden under hilarious jokes, puns, and pop-culture references. |
| #65gorfnad_the_shiznitMar 09, 2006 1:05:26 | The Prince by Machiavelli. Definitely a good read for DMs. |
| #66zombiegleemaxMar 09, 2006 12:27:27 | Might I suggest Carol Berg as a recent author with interesting characters. |
| #67gondolierMar 09, 2006 14:38:21 | Since I noticed at least 3 people who wrote "Nobody has mentioned X yet" where the mention of X had been greater or equal to 2, I won't presume to be so bold. These might be up there, but I didn't see them. Players in MY forthcoming campaign will benefit greatly from having read: Campbell, Joseph: Hero with a Thousand Faces Machiavelli, Niccolo: The Prince |
| #68zombiegleemaxMar 09, 2006 20:48:39 | I think Christopher Stasheff's "Wizard in Rhyme" and Warlock series both belong on this list. The warlock series dragged towards the end, and the sequel series (Rogue Wizard) never caught my attention; but the advantures of Rodney d'Armand and Matthew Mantrell are excellent reads, and can provide ideas for gaming. -------------- Mickey Zucker Reichert's Renshai Trilogy and Chronicles could be handy to anyone looking to run a Norse themed campain. Or just if you want to read a good book. -------------- And I'd be remiss if I didn't mention William Mark Simmons' "The Dreamland Chronicles". It is by far my favorite trilogy, and so few people have heard of it. It is a grand fantasy under the guise of sci-fi; and contains deep philsophical debates hidden under hilarious jokes, puns, and pop-culture references. |
| #69jlaurhughes_dupMar 09, 2006 23:28:37 | Read Ed Greenwood's - Shandril's Saga, even if you don't like the Godlike Elminister. Shandril herself is worth reading the series for as well as the Harpers. Can't forget any of the Margaret Weis and Tracy Hickman collaborations. You want a good campaign? Read the Deathgate cycle. These as well as the Sword of Truth series which has already been mentioned, the three books in the Myst book series, I can't remember the author but I have all three in that series somewhere. |
| #70zombiegleemaxMar 10, 2006 1:37:16 | No one has mentioned Neil Gaiman yet. Both his traditional and graphic novels were good, especially some of his villains. I especially liked how he handled divine intervention in American Gods. |
| #71arctanMar 10, 2006 3:11:21 | China Mieville's _Perdido Street Station_ contains what I think of as the quintessential steampunk/gothpunk/whateverpunk city, New Crobuzon. If you need to know how the grimy side of a big fantasy medieval/Renaissance-ish city like Waterdeep from FR or Sharn from Eberron should feel, I very much recommend it. Lots of good ideas, lots of stuff that had never been done in a pulpy fantasy adventure novel before, but still managing to remain a great pulpy fantasy adventure novel. Also has a hilarious scene that has characters who are more or less literally PCs from a traditional RPG adventuring campaign, with a pretty nice, convincing take on how other sorts of characters in that same world would view such people. (Crazy, amoral bastards who will do anything for gold and "experience".) |
| #72zombiegleemaxMar 10, 2006 18:13:20 | Just thought I'd put my word in for Lloyd Alexander’s The Book of Three (and the rest of the Pyridian series). More recently I'd recommend K.J. Parker’s The Scavenger series and The Fencer Trilogy. Great for descriptive stuff about Blacksmithing, sword making, bows and armour. Also a fair bit about siege engines. I gather he likes to make things ; ) I keep trying to convince the party I play with to try the GOD riding in a cart routine from the scavenger series. Peace, love and MACHINE empathy Da'flibble |
| #73mysteryvilMar 11, 2006 13:25:35 | By far the biggest influence on what type of stories I wanted in my D&D experience was Karl Edward Wagner. His Kane stories range from a bit pulpy ("Bloodstone" and some of his short stories) to phenomenonally inspired ("Dark Crusade" in particular, but "Darkness Weaves" and "Cold Light" are close behind). I was lucky enough to pick up the omnibus editions of his complete works ("Midnight Sun" and "Gods in Darkness") a couple of years ago. Unfortunately, the big chains didn't carry them, so they're currently out of print. They're both well-worth picking up, and often available on eBay. Of the in-print authors, I'm most impressed by Greg Keyes (also billed as J. Gregory Keyes). His current "Kingdoms of Thorn and Bone" series is well-written: decent descriptions, interesting characters, and good stories to boot. I also enjoyed his "Children of the Changeling" series, and found a three-book trilogy to be a refreshing change compared to the seemingly-endless iterations offered by most contemporary fantasy authors. |
| #74dunelordMar 12, 2006 4:02:48 | Not to sound like a nit picker but I disagree with what seems to be the main idea here: namely that reading novels is a good place to get ideas/inspiration for D&D or RPGs in general. Now don't get me wrong I think everyone who enjoys fantasy has drawn some ideas from other areas, but my point is that MANY if not the vast majority of things that work well in a novel (or comic book, or movie for that matter) just don't work well at a gaming table. I admit it may, at times, lead to good ideas but only when approached with a great deal of hesitation about the translation. With a few people it is VERY easy for a what seems an idea for great adventure to turn into a story that ends, "So that's how my Paladin ended up owning a brothel." [Regdar chuckles mightily at this post.] |
| #75zombiegleemaxMar 12, 2006 13:41:11 | No one has mentioned Neil Gaiman yet. Both his traditional and graphic novels were good, especially some of his villains. I think you missed several endorsements for Gaiman's Neverwhere and other novels. But there were a few authors missing: Bernard Cornwell has a gift for describing battles. I recommend his "Sharpe's" series not just for the graphic descriptions, but his primary characters are so developed. Other books that might be of interest are The Winter King series, The Gallows Thief, and The Archer's Tale series. Trudi Canavan's "Magician" series is impressive. I just finished the first book, The Magician's Guild and can't wait to grab hold of the next book. Donald Westlake is best known for modern crime capers featuring his character John Dortmunder; but Don't Ask and Why Me? have the makings for an adventure for almost any setting. The books are fast reads and very funny. Others in the Dortmunder series with potential for D&D adventures are The Hot Rock and Nobody's Perfect. Robert Asprin edited a series of short stories known as Thieve's World. The series featured quite a few authors and was set in a D&D-style world. |
| #76ethelredeMar 12, 2006 15:24:41 | But no true gamer's reading list would be complete without Andre Norton's Quag Keep, Dean Allen Foster's Spellsinger series, or Joel Rosenberg's Guardians of the Flame series,...to name just a few. Foster's "Shadowkeep" also springs readily to mind. |
| #77ChaoticGoodMar 12, 2006 22:04:07 | Jenrock, I'll throw my support Brian Jacques any day! Redwall is a fine example of low-magic adventure, and I'd be more than happy to play in a world like his. Lloyd Alexander is also a good pick. I believe he wrote The Remarkable Journey of Prince Jen as well, did he not? That was a great read, with some excellent iconic Oriental characters. Even though it is written for the juvenile set, I enjoyed it quite a lot at the ripe old age of 22. |
| #78radin_of_the_justiceMar 13, 2006 11:44:02 | Some of the following books may seem odd choices but they have inspired me over my gaming career: -Nineteen Eighty-Four (George Orwell for political) -Brave New World (Aldous Huxley for political) -Animal Farm (George Orwell yet again for political yet again) -The Inferno (Dante for just plain inspiration) |
| #79deafbymetalMar 15, 2006 7:03:45 | Tad Williams and Memory, Sorrow, and Thorn are worth getting into. Oh, yes, I totally agree with this! Tad Williams has written a number of very good novels, but I believe this trilogy really tops the list. When the third book in a trilogy has to be released in two books due to size (in softcover), it's a good hint there is a lot going on there. His Otherland series was great as well, about virtual reality and the people trapped within it. The fact the two main characters were black, with one being a Bushman named !Xabbu, made it stand out from the crowd. I also agree on George R.R. Martin's Song of Fire and Ice nomination. Another good trilogy I will add here, while strictly scifi, would be Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars books- Red Mars, Green Mars, Blue Mars. Great characters and plots/subplots. Also, his book The Years of Rice and Salt where the plague wiped out 99% of Europe’s population, and Christianity was but a footnote of history. C.S. Friedman's Coldfire trilogy was good as well- Black Sun Rising, When True Night Falls, and Crown of Shadows, as was Stephen R. Donaldson's Mordant's Need- The Mirror of Her Dreams & A Man Rides Through as well as "The Chronicles of Thomas Covenant the Unbeliever" and the Second Chronicles of Thomas Covenant. Though I will say the Thomas Covenant books were very depressing- the "hero" has leprosy, his family left him, he's shunned by his town, and he does not believe "The Land" is real. I have read many of the books listed here, but not all. I thank those that posted before me for suggested reading, I'll have to search for these titles. On a side note, the Song of Fire and Ice series has spawned a d20 sourcebook that looks very good- A Game of Thrones Sourcebook that I plan to pick up soon. I might wait until the series is finished before attempting a campaign there, though. |
| #80aelryinthMar 15, 2006 13:35:15 | More classics include: The Kalevala (the Finnish national epic. A primer for e Bardic traditions.) The Song of Roland (Charlemagne's Courts) A Thousand and One Arabian Knights (seriously, who missed this?) The Norse Mythology. The Greek Mythology. Don't forget you can steal a lot from other 'populist' games. Just reading the Legend of the Five Rings cards and all those competing extremist view points of the samurai characters is fun. Magic the Gathering is always 'inventing' new monsters, and it was originally designed off a D&D campaign world (the Legends set is characters from the inventor's campaign). Many modern comic book series have great storylines you can yoink, from Batman to the Justice League to Ultimate Avengers. The book of Sun Tzu is all about stories that convey strategic viewpoints of situations. The guy who does Shi made a great comic dealing with some of them with more modern examples. Was it the March of the Five Thousand? Classic Roman fighting styles and diplomacy. I'm sure the military folk out there can give some great reads. Also, note that D&D included some last month on their website. Someone should reprint the selection. |
| #81sagamanMar 15, 2006 15:52:31 | Jack Vance's Lyonesse Trilogy is awesome as a campaign setting (and a fun read). As for "classics", check out the Icelandic sagas, the largest body of medieval vernacular prose in existence. I especially recommend: Egil's Saga Harald Sigurdsson's Saga (King Harald's Saga) Gisli Sursson's Saga (see what it's like to live as an outlaw for years) The Saga of the Jomsvikings The Saga of the Volsungs (the inspiration for the Niebelungenlied and Wagner's Ring Cycle) And a perusal of the Prose Edda and the Poetic Edda couldn't hurt. |
| #82millenniumMar 18, 2006 12:09:05 | Although Vance is not necessarily the greatest of fantasy authors, I would argue that his works are very important to read if you want to understand D&D in particular. His books, particularly the Dying Earth series, had a very heavy influence on the system: let's just say there's a reason it's called "Vancian magic". His works are short, but they can really help put the system into context. |
| #83faraerMar 18, 2006 13:05:35 | My advice is to read more books, and Gary's list is a great one, published before 1970. |
| #84zombiegleemaxMar 19, 2006 12:51:50 | The Waterborn and The Black God by J. Gregory Keyes (or Greg Keyes he has stuff under both names) are the only books I've ever read that weren't D&D with an intelligent weapon in them. Good depiction of what it might be like if your sword could carry on a conversation with you in my opinion. So if you have intelligent items showing up in your campaign a lot these might be good books. Second Moby Dick lots of cool stuff in there from characters to just the general feel of what it'd be like to be on a ship for years at a time. |
| #85zombiegleemaxMar 22, 2006 20:14:16 | I also second Carol Berg, she made an interesting two worlds. (Well, three if you count that little demiplane.) I would like to say Dave Duncan is a great author as well. I have only read his King's Blades books but they are all I need to know he's pretty darn good. |
| #86darthmarasmusMar 23, 2006 12:12:52 | Alfred, Lord Tennyson (yes, I know it's poetry) Idylls of the King, "Charge of the Light Brigade," "Ulysses." Chaucer's Canterbury Tales. Shakespeare. Beowulf Homer. Virgil. |
| #87LegendariusMar 24, 2006 23:03:12 | I might have missed it up above but I enjoyed Jennifer Roberson's Chronicles of the Cheysuli as well as her Tiger and Del series of novels. I also think for someone who's new to the game and wants a quick read to get the flavor of D&D fantasy, the series of short novels WotC put out starting with The Savage Caves that feature the D&D 3E iconic characters are a fun, fast read. |
| #88ghostwheelApr 02, 2006 3:19:55 | I am very, very disappointed not to see Tanith Lee in any of these suggestions. I must have missed this post the first time through the thread, otherwise I would have given you props for this earlier. "Tales of the Flat Earth" is the name of the series, and it scintillates. No, it is not meant for children. But there are such evocations of eternal truths in those books to make one shiver. Tanith made me see Simmu and the Unicorns dance on the shores of that lake. I have never quite entirely returned. ![]() |
| #89croydthothApr 25, 2006 21:32:16 | Tim Powers, especially The Anubis Gates, Last Call, and On Stranger Tides. |
| #90smilodanMay 02, 2006 4:53:02 | Yeah, I read the Anubis Gates. You're right. It's very Sigilian without being all portally. |
| #91seerowMay 02, 2006 18:36:40 | Win for having Feist on the list. |
| #92caennenMay 02, 2006 19:18:08 | I DEFINATELY agree with Piers Anthony. He has some of the best stuff I've ever read and I read a lot. Another good one (not sure if he's been mentioned but i may be flamed) is R. A. Salvatore, and not just the Forgotten Realms series, he has the Demon Wars series which, imho, are better than the Forgotten Realms series. Also, with Piers Anthony the Xanth and Adept series are incredible. |
| #93zombiegleemaxMay 03, 2006 21:06:32 | Drat, I was pipped to "Sun TZU" and Cristopher Stasheff. L Sprague de camp "Incomplete Enchanter" Harry Turtledove "Videssos Cycle" and "Agent of Byzantium" Paul o Williams "Northwall" series Fritz Leiber Xenophon "Bodyguard of Lightning" (sorry, can't remember the author but Orcs are the good guys) Conan - the books not the films Jack Vance (I WANT to see Hussade played for real!!) Planet of Adventure HP Lovecraft |
| #94zombiegleemaxMay 04, 2006 6:58:07 | I read through and couldn't spot: Katherine Kerr, the Deverry series (the first 4). It's excellent but shows you how an epic, inventive and thought provoking story can be crapped on with a BBEG that is a right quilt. The last few books trail off badly. Weis & Hickman - Rose of the Prophet series, very good. Stories By - Hans Christian Anderson - The Brothers Grimm - CS Lewis - Enid Blyton - Tolstoi Arthurian Tales (details paladins very well) I realise Shannara has been mentioned but if you can manage to get through the Sword of... then the Elfstones of.... is one of the greatest stories I think I have ever read. Even if you cannot get through the first rip off, the Elfstones is quality in its own right. |
| #95cmrscorpioMay 06, 2006 10:58:42 | Paradise Lost by Milton has everything: Epic battles between good and evil, a compelling, conflicted anti-hero protagonist, descriptions of fantastic locations. Also, as already mentioned, American Gods by Neil Gaiman is great for its presentation of the way pantheons and mythologies work, and how old gods lose power as new ones gain power. Tad Williams is possibly my favorite author when it comes to imagery. |
| #96gilean_dupMay 14, 2006 14:26:49 | My own humble contribution would be Lewis Carroll’s book "Alice in Wonderland," "Through the Looking Glass," and "Sylvie and Bruno.” Not so much for similarities with D&D, but for the extraordinary imagination and absurdity of his books. Anyone looking for insane quirks or great quotes to use should read him. There is a free Wonderland supplement for JAGS (Just Another Gaming System; a free GURPS-like RPG). It might be worth a look. You can download it here , or buy as a hardback through RPGnow (IIRC). |
| #97zombiegleemaxMay 16, 2006 13:03:18 | Just for flat-out flavor and clear-cut good guys and bad guys, read Louis L'Amour. Sure, he writes mostly westerns. But many of the stories are wonderful and the bad guys are usually excellent. And if you haven't read The Walking Drum by Louis L'Amour, you are missing out. A great story (without magic) of a young man traveling the world in the 12th century, learning to fight, to be a surgeon, and many other things. An excellent book. I'd also like to second Glen Cook's Black Company series. A gritty, dirty feeling world. Especially valuable if you enjoy more military themes (at least for part of the books anyway). Great world. |
| #98oravennasbrotherJun 15, 2006 9:52:42 | I like Martha Wells, particularly "The Element of Fire" (sadly out of print) for a look at human interaction with fantastic beings (faery). I've not had a chance at her new Stargate novel, but that is her fist foray into Sci/FI, everything else is fantasy. I'll second the Icelandic Eddas - they are good for a lot of ideas. Finally try some of the 19th century writers - Conan Doyle (of Sherlock Holmes fame) wrote the excellent "Whate Company." Dumas managed a huge assortment of "Swashbuckler" as did Orczy (?) with Scarlet Pimpernel Burton translated/collected the Arabian Nights, but a biography can be even more useful. The trick is not to try and pull in a plot direct from a tale, but to grow accustomed to diverse pre-industrial cultures. Even Modern Romances set in historical periods can be a good source for details of dress and culture. (Distinguish Modern Romance from 19th century where Dumas' "Three Musketeers" was a "Romance Novel" because it presented a romanticized view of France under Louis XIII) In that I tend to shy from certain modern authors as sources; great stories, but the details are either lacking or inconsistent. |