As a rule I don't generally tell people I am a role-player or am into Dungeons and Dragons.
Firstly it really seems to interfere with meeting women, if you say you are into roleplaying, they may well assume that you are somewhat forward in your perversion, or possibly in some kind of therapy group.
From the day the cartoon aired, I could no longer openly defend my hobby as the 'Dungeons and Dragons.. oh like the cartoon came up, and the chance to pass it off as mature pastime faded into oblivion. The proliferation of the toys didn't help too much, either.... especially when one new player turned up with them thinking thats what we meant by figures!
- For ever people would assume that it involved those pesky kids, that Pop Zen Dungeon Master and that blasted unicorn. I still shudder when I hear the Baaaaha!
(Though shamefully we did a one off last year where everyone played a character from the series)
Luckily the cartoon wasn't all that well known in Holland.
Still at least there wasn't a halfling in the party!
Originally posted by dogstar
(Though shamefully we did a one off last year where everyone played a character from the series)
ha ha ha
Who played Eric?
i'm of a certain age that remembers the cartoon, but apart from that, i'm really a OK guy.
For some reason we all ended up getting brutally hacked to pieces by a smiling GM. Obviously he had issues.....
Originally posted by spray paint affiliate
ha ha ha
Who played Eric?
Ralph Malph from Happy Days.
yah, it was lame, but it was fun to see the monsters from the books "come to life" so to speak. anyways, it was a hell of alot better than the movie.
Originally posted by dogstar
As a rule I don't generally tell people I am a role-player or am into Dungeons and Dragons.
Firstly it really seems to interfere with meeting women, if you say you are into roleplaying, they may well assume that you are somewhat forward in your perversion, or possibly in some kind of therapy group.
From the day the cartoon aired, I could no longer openly defend my hobby as the 'Dungeons and Dragons.. oh like the cartoon came up, and the chance to pass it off as mature pastime faded into oblivion.
What about Mazes & Monsters then?
That come in '82 when all the bad press was at it's zenith.
Starring Tom Hanks as a rpg'er who got "too involved" and went a bit nuts.......
It was manna from heaven for the brigade who though D&D was the work of satan/unhealthy/whatever.
The whole fervour of D&D work of the devil etc never really seemed to catch on over here (England) - though I have come across the occassional reference, usually related to Mormons and Jahova Witnesses,
What is it with those people huh? When their god made them, did he forget to add the intelligence that came as part of the standard human package. I'll tell you where the devil is, if he exists, he is telling people to burn books, records and kill doctors in the name of god.
I never really thought they existed, until much later on - Those devils music cases never really happen here, we are much to polite for that kind of behaviour. It has happened in the past mind, but no one outside those groups really listens.
Originally posted by dogstar
I never saw Mazes and Monsters, just heard about it.
The whole fervour of D&D work of the devil etc never really seemed to catch on over here (England) - though I have come across the occassional reference, usually related to Mormons and Jahova Witnesses,
What is it with those people huh? When their god made them, did he forget to add the intelligence that came as part of the standard human package. I'll tell you where the devil is, if he exists, he is telling people to burn books, records and kill doctors in the name of god.
I never really thought they existed, until much later on - Those devils music cases never really happen here, we are much to polite for that kind of behaviour. It has happened in the past mind, but no one outside those groups really listens.
Yeah, we never seem to have that right wing fervour thats sooooo in vogue stateside do we?
We just seem to, collectively, shrug our shoulders and carry on.
Originally posted by spray paint affiliate
What about Mazes & Monsters then?
Alas poor Egbert, I knew him not at all.
Originally posted by dogstar
The Day that everyone heard of Dungeons and Dragons
As a rule I don't generally tell people I am a role-player or am into Dungeons and Dragons.
Firstly it really seems to interfere with meeting women, if you say you are into roleplaying, they may well assume that you are somewhat forward in your perversion, or possibly in some kind of therapy group.
It does? I haven't noticed..
Three people in my group are females.. ;) The poor guys are outnumbered. There's only 2 guys.. hehI did however see the D&D movie.
When Marlon Wayans gives a better performance than Jeremy Irons, something's up. I think Snails was the only redeeming quality of the entire movie, when you actually go back and think about it. That, and sitting in the theater with friends nitpicking everyone. "Who says 'Thank God' in a polytheistic D&D setting?" was one of my favorites... followed by "Hey Aaron, my mage wants some of that dust the wizard has".
I still want to know what that dust was made of.
Every spell component known to man ground into a powder?
Other than the MST3k-ability of the movie, I was horrified.
From video capture pics of the cartoon, I can only guess that I'd feel the same about the animated series from long-past.
Originally posted by dogstar
As a rule I don't generally tell people I am a role-player or am into Dungeons and Dragons.
COME OUT THE CLOSET! Now is the time! It's a new revolution! Onward with 3E we march into the future!
But seriously, I'm shameless. I'm not embarassed by our "hobby". I flaunt it constantly. How do you think I infected half my block? Certainly not by locking myself in my room and staring at the books. It takes dedication, bro! Spread the word! LOL
I've never seen the cartoon, but I HAVE seen Mazes and Monsters. That's the god-awful Tom Hanks movie right? It was sooooooo lame. Cheesy, cheesy, cheesy. Somebody made a movie about RPGs using conjecture, rumor and hearsay. WICKED crappy movie. WAY worse than the D&D movie itself. Fo real.
peace,
MSD
Originally posted by dogstar
but for years everyone had Energy Bows of some description......
oh dear, i've been busted.....
*scratches that entry out of 'skeletons in closet' list.*
I actually rather enjoyed that cartoon. Although I couldn't help but get irritated that the same characters that were able to defeat Lolth, Demon Queen of Spiders ran from orcs.
Orcs!
Still, my favorite is when they finally had enough of Venger and blasted the papooky out of him
"No riddles this time, Dungeon Master! How do we beat Venger?"
OK, I'm done geekin' out
Did you ever wonder how Lolth, at 16HD, only managed to have 66 hp? I mean she was a godess, abiet a lesser one, but a godess none the less....
It was always a bit perplexing that a lucky 4th level human barbarian from Unearth Arcana (with 18 Con) would be capable of taking more punishment, than the Goddess Revered by a race as Treacherous and Underhanded as the Drow. I mean most of her high priestess must have been about the same HP wise.
Guess she must have been a bit sickly when she was a demi-godess, and was probably last chosen for sports (guess thats what drove her to be CE).
Just something I always wondered about
That aside, D&D NPCs (even the gods) have traditionally been woefully weak... compared to munchkin characters. Well, not so much the gods in 3e / 3.5, where they're quite literally above and beyond the capabilities of mortals to handle. Even if their stats weren't so incredible, the divine abilities are above and beyond (by far) what any mortal spellcaster, epic or otherwise, can use.
In fact, foes of particular note are appropriately difficult in 3e / 3.5. I always found it unsettling that the most ancient of dragons didn't have more HP than a fairly high level human fighter (if even that), in past editions.
Originally posted by dogstar
At the time I thought the thief was a bit of a fox mind... as far as cartoon go.
Lol, its okay, just say it out loud. The thief girl was a hottie. :D
Richard O'Brien is the one good point of the movie.
Originally posted by Yuffie
Might have simply been the stats of her avatar?
I always found it unsettling that the most ancient of dragons didn't have more HP than a fairly high level human fighter (if even that), in past editions.
Avatars, in those days? Why such a thing came with Forgotten Realms (although was there something in the original Greyhawk?)
Most of the Dieties and Demigods were pretty tough, as were most of the Demons and Devils. Manual of the Planes brought them up to par mind. In the Throne of Bloodstone, Orcus and his minions, are actually a challange to take on with the 100th Level Pre-Rolled Characters......
Say, does anyone remember that episode where Eric becomes Dungeon Master? That was
Or maybe it wasn't a cartoon at all, but an evil attempt to subvert my mind to the dark side of the moon rising above the trees which blocks my view of the forests in which I seek refuge from a foe I faced long ago in a galaxy far, far away.
Yes that is right, they are trying to convert me to the stream of conciosness that i cannot deny you forever lasting hatred which guides me to righteous wrath and anguish that has dwelled in these god forsaken lands.
NO! They shall not get me, even the bugs they have sent to crawl under my skin shall fail. I declare my independence from you seek me out where ever I go to get a pizza with extra peppers me with insults mocking my humanity is a funny word as it implies that humans naturally act humane society for the treatment of animals.
I need more caffiene that last one is getting to me so I don't know what I really think that it is about time to see the end of this sentence.
Originally posted by Mr.Waesel
Ahhhh...the cartoon, with that stupid Dungeon Master.
Say, does anyone remember that episode where Eric becomes Dungeon Master? That was
Actually yes, he learned the valuable lesson that everything comes from somewhere, and that even something as simple as making a fountain of water spring up for him to drink from ment diverting the water from thirsty crops somewhere else. We laughed, we cried, we learned a vital lesson that you can't get something for nothing
:P
The author of the Mazes and Monsters book was interviewed once. She had nothing against D&D personally; she just thought the idea of a player going bonkers would make for a good story.
Wouldn't a new D&D 'toon be cool, though? It could be traditionally animated or made with CGI, like "Scourge of Worlds." No kids from Earth; no baby unicorn. The 3E core rules characters could work if it was set on Greyhawk; or, maybe, it could be set in the Forgotten Realms or Krynn. It would definitely have to be either syndicated or on cable. Studio Madhouse (Vampire Hunter D) would be a great studio to produce it at. Any comments?
(Btw, anyone else notice that the cartoon Legend of Zelda had an energy longbow, and both Link and the Ranger from D&D have the same tailor?)
The cartoon was great if you looked at it from a fantasy perspective and push aside your preconceptions of D&D, accepting it for what it was -- a fantasy cartoon.
The movie was very much similar -- accept it as a fantasy movie. Yes, it has over-the-top acting (okay, way over the top acting...), several holes in the script, and Marlon Wayans. That doesn't make it a bad movie, only a B-Movie with B+ CGI...
The moment you start equating things in a D&D sense to these two subjects, they both suck. Why? Because we know that our games will hold far more entertainment for us. To which I give many kudos to TSR and now WotC for beating out "hollywood" entertainment.
Instead of looking and sounding like he came from the Projects, what if Snails had been an exotic character from a foreign land? Make him a proficient pick-pocket/burglar with an eye for the ladies and a claim to be a prince-in-exile or something and he could have stolen the movie (a new name would have helped, too).
Vaalingrade has a good point about a potential new 'toon. Right now the Japanese studios are the best ones to animate a fantasy series. Studio GONZO did a great job on "Blue Sub 6", and ".hack//SIGN" isn't bad either (although it's a bit slow). Again, the question is if a new series is made: New characters, establised characters, and what setting?
Sci-Fi's Forgotten Realms project seems to be either dead or in development hell; Dragonlance should probably be a brand name all of its own. It looks like if the series is going to be called "D&D" it should be in Greyhawk, by default. Maybe it should have original characters, if only to avoid the Mialee problem (worst dressed elven mage ever!).
Originally posted by Vaalingrade Ashland
It must be anime if it is even produced. Look at record of Loddoss War and Slayers. These are people who know how to do fantasy tunes.
Yes. Yes!
My biggest beef with any tv show involving fantasy combat is the lack of blood and wounds. That's why a group of adventurers who could take on Lolth had to run away from orcs: The censors wouldn't allow the orcs to be hacked to bits the way they needed to be!
Originally posted by Andrew Laubacher
...Dungeonmaster....
AEEEIIIIII!!!!
/me burst into flames and goes running down the street.
Y'know what would've made a good D&D movie? Ladyhawke. I love watching that movie and thinking, "Ooh yeah, this is D&D."
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3353470457&category=2291
Originally posted by Andrew Laubacher
The author of the Mazes and Monsters book was interviewed once. She had nothing against D&D personally; she just thought the idea of a player going bonkers would make for a good story.
Ahhh......Rona Jaffe, stand up please.
If any of you need a laugh, then check out the M&M link i've "found"
http://www.spookylibrarians.com/mazes.html
Originally posted by ekote
You can buy all 27 episodes on VCD via Ebay (NOT an endorsement).
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3353470457&category=2291
Nope, no endorsement there, considering it ended two days before you posted. :D
ciao,
john.
Originally posted by Vaalingrade Ashland
It must be anime
Sometimes I think I'm the only person left who doesn't think manga/anime is the be-all and end-all of graphic styles.
Originally posted by Solaris
Sometimes I think I'm the only person left who doesn't think manga/anime is the be-all and end-all of graphic styles.
Have no fear, you're not alone.
Originally posted by Mock26
Was I the only person who wanted to roast up the *@#!(%-ing unicorn on a spit and chow down?
ciao,
john.
I'd rather spit roast the thief to be honest.......:D
Originally posted by Droog
Have no fear, you're not alone.
I assume by anime the person in question means big eyes, small mouth style. Then no its not.
But I'd trust the Japanesse to do a better job, otherwise its disney styleee or pixalar.... or even worse. GCI animation
Originally posted by Mock26
Was I the only person who wanted to roast up the *@#!(%-ing unicorn on a spit and chow down?
ciao,
john.
Yes.
I prefer my Unicron headless, floating, and gigantic...err....yeah so anyways, like I was saying, I prefer my unicorn to be fried after rolling in spiced batter, with a large side order of cocktail sauce.
Solaris>> You most certainly are not alone! Anime is great for uber-fantasy and DBZ and all that. And although I absolutely loved Record of Lodoss War, there were a few parts where I'd love to reach out an punch someone at the art studio (elf ears, for example...sometimes LESS is MORE!).
But for a Dungeons and Dragons cartoon, it must be normal cartoon-style...or perhaps Dexter's Lab style, but that might just be me... ;)
Heavy Metal!! Remeber the original Heavy Metal animated movie? That's the animation style we need, especially like the Den and Terrachian sections. But keep the boobs hidden, we want people to watch it seriously, not as fantasy-porn.
The next question is what story? Some might argue for an original story, but I have a better idea. Can you say "Dragonlance Chronicles"?
Is anyone listening over there, WotC/Hasbro? Release it straight to DVD in three volumes, with bonus art section, commentary tracks from Weiss, Hickman, the director, and whomever will write the screenplay, and a bonus DVD-Rom section with pdf files of 3.5e versions of the various modules. Oh, and guess what? The Japanese would eat this stuff like it was candy, huge overseas market. And then there's the video game licenses. Yes, this would be a two year project, but imagine the potential! And then a year or two after its release let Cartoon Network show it on adult swim. It shall succeed were the D&D cartoon, the Vampire: The Masquerade tv series, the D&D movie, and the BattleTech animated series failed. It shall swallow the nation, nay, the world in Geekdom!
It would be glorious.
ciao,
john.
Over heard at L.G.S.
" Record of Lodoss War is what every DM wishes his campaign was like. What they usally get is the first season of Slayers!"
* Puts On Cloak of Lurking *
Originally posted by Escef
But keep the boobs hidden, we want people to watch it seriously, not as fantasy-porn.
The next question is what story? Some might argue for an original story, but I have a better idea. Can you say "Dragonlance Chronicles"?
What, no Tika nudes? How about Tas? ;)
j/k
The Dexter's lab animation was a joke btw, aside from South Park animation, it's about as bad as it gets.
(please note, I love both shows, but I do not watch them for the animation quality...)
Originally posted by Escef
But keep the boobs hidden, we want people to watch it seriously, not as fantasy-porn.
No way, D&D Hentai - The Dungeon Master would take on a whole new meaning.
YOU CHILDISH FOOL! YOU THINK THIS A GAME? I ASSURE YOU THIS IS NO GAME!!!
Anime is NOT a style. Anime is not a way of doing anything. Anime is mearly japanese animation. The term applies to everything from shows made for 5 year olds to adult flicks. It is no more a style or a genre than black and white movies are.
What makes anime great is the fact that in japan animation is seen as a legitimate form of storytelling, not something thats only aimed at kids, like it is in the western world. In Japan, animation is aimed at adults just as much as at anyone else. As such, it doesn't treat it's viewers like braindead idiots the way American animation usually does.
Anime does not mean big eyes and small mouths, although that is one style of it. There is just as much anime where everybody has perfectly normal proportions. It can be real and gritty, or it can be light and airy, just like any other medium can be.
People don't enjoy anime because its the epitome of some graphic style, but because it assumes its viewers are educated and intelligent. With animation, there are no limits of special effects and expensive shooting locations, the story is free to soar to whatever heights the storytellers want. Even in the high budget American movies, they often are afraid to aim high, for fear of alienating viewers. Anime doesn't, anime says "If you're too stupid to get what we're saying, go watch something else, we're going to tell it the way we want with or without you", and thats the way some of us like it.
So please, don't get confused and make broad statements that sweeps aside anime in general. It just really makes it sound like you don't know understand everything you're saying, and just trying to wave your hand and make it all go away, and thats a dangerous stance to take.
Instead of the fare on Toonami, I suggest to folks renting Akira, Ghost in the Shell, Ninja Scroll, Jin-Roh, Perfect Blue, and, if you can borrow it from someone, Neon Genesis Evangelion. If this doesn't properly screw with your head enough to be cool, then you will never be an anime viewing type of person.
I think a Japanese animation studio would do a good job with a D&D animation, but I also think the Osamu Tezuka derived big eyes/small mouth facial designs would have to go. If anything, that alone would seperate it from all the swords & sorcery that gets done over there.
The problem is budget, of course, and the stigma American culture puts on 'cartoons'. Animation is for kids, and in America animated and even CG features for people above the age of 12 is a niche market. There are exceptions *coughSouthParkcough*, but many grown-ups see anything that isn't real people as kids stuff.
To get kind of back on topic, the original D&D cartoon was a kids show, hence the reason that many of us adults find it hokey. They had to work with their audience and censors in mind. They can't have a Good character be an out-and-out thief; that'll be encouraging kids to steal. Stuff like that.
But the D&D cartoon was cute, if you look at it out of context of the game. And the Energy Bow thing is certainly handy when you don't want to deal with ammo. I played in a Greyhawk game where the magic bows were energy bow-types. It seemed pretty handy, not having to keep track of your arrows.
1. the main character was played by malibu, an american gladiator
2. the elf had a tattoo across his face, a blue rectangle
3. the wizard had a wolf skin hat.
there you go, and it had acting levels below that of d&d the movie! the games was quite good, though.
Originally posted by Elise
I don't mean to be a doofus or whatever, but I think a D&D movie or show should be American. I'm not the most patriotic person, and I love anime (otherwise, would I shell out all that money for complete sets of Slayers and Orphen?), but I think we, as anime fans or D&D fans or what-have-you, need to put our faith in what WE can do as well. There are tons of people right here in the States that are great artists, never mind everywhere else. Some of my favorite webcomics are drawn by Canadians or Australians.
A lot of cartoons that are decidedly western have been animated by the Japanese. I THINK that the new He-Man is also Japanese animated. IMO, the current trend of American animation is pitiful. It is either super deformed (ala Dexter's Lab or Samurai Jack) or its full of utterly terrible CGI crap.
Personally I think the best option would be to get an American production staff who want to do a semi-mature show, hire the japanese animation company of Sunrise (they animated Cowboy Bebop and Inu Yasha, plus most of the Gundam shows), take out 90% of the Japanese cliches (sweat drops, forehead veins, etc), and give it a good story. This probably won't happen, but I can certainly dream...
The problem is budget, of course, and the stigma American culture puts on 'cartoons'. Animation is for kids, and in America animated and even CG features for people above the age of 12 is a niche market. There are exceptions *coughSouthParkcough*, but many grown-ups see anything that isn't real people as kids stuff.
I think that Cartoon Network's Adult Swim may be changing that. Last I heard, it gets some of the highest ratings for the late night viewer, surpassing both Letterman and Leno. Hopefully, this trend of mature animation will increase, but it probably won't.
Originally posted by Dackad
I think that Cartoon Network's Adult Swim may be changing that. Last I heard, it gets some of the highest ratings for the late night viewer, surpassing both Letterman and Leno. Hopefully, this trend of mature animation will increase, but it probably won't.
Yup, its currently showing a couple of really great animes, Trigun and Furi Kuri.
Just another side note, big eyes and small mouths aren't japanese. They were actually inspired by Walt Disney, then exaggerated by japanese artists. The seed though is American, it just took root in Japan. Seriously, check Disney films. Last time I checked Ariel the Little Mermaid had huge eyes. So does Jasmine from Aladdin, and even the female lion from the Lion King. Large eyes denote innocence (which is why when you want to make a toon look serious or aggressive, you make their eyebrows lower to make the eyes appear smaller, as innocent doey eyed people typically aren't very threatening), while the slightly oversized heads denote youth (children have proportionatly larger heads than adults). Big eyes and small mouths, and the disproportionatly large head are all ways of making anime girls seem perpetually young and innocent, which is exactly where you see it getting used the most. Of course, the legs are usually hyperextended (to sometimes twice the length of the torso) to convey the message of hyper sexuality (a woman's legs are proportionaly longer than a child's, which lengthen during puberty, making it a subtle yet powerful sign of sexual maturity). But all this happens in American magazines as well. Model's legs are digitally extended, their eyes are airbrushed whiter and their irises dialated for a sexy/innocent look, so thats not a purely japanese thing either.
And just for the record, I was hooked on anime from Voltron and Robotech (which was actually an american butchery of 3 seperate animes that actually came out BETTER than the three component parts, but thats another story altogether). ;)
Originally posted by Incenjucar
Something slightly more realistic than the Lodoss War anime would be fine.
How about Miyazaki-style, a la Nausicaa of the Valley of the Wind or Mononoke Hime?
Just so long as it doesn't have the Disney/Stereotypical Anime "Underwear exposure" thing. It's bad enough seeing the tidy whites of every female Disney character (In the old days, at least), and half of the teen-targeted anime out there.
But-but-but that's my favorite part!
Originally posted by Incenjucar
Something slightly more realistic than the Lodoss War anime would be fine. Just so long as it doesn't have the Disney/Stereotypical Anime "Underwear exposure" thing. It's bad enough seeing the tidy whites of every female Disney character (In the old days, at least), and half of the teen-targeted anime out there.
Berserk would be a perfect style, although better animation, a higher budget, and less blood would make it awesome.
Of course, the real problem is... they'd probably use the iconics....
Originally posted by Edymnion
People don't enjoy anime because its the epitome of some graphic style, but because it assumes its viewers are educated and intelligent.
That's a pretty broad brush. I know a number of people who enjoy areas of anime not because "it assumes its viewers are educated and intelligent," but because they like the artistic style and/or get a kick out of seeing animated gore, sex, and other delights not uncommon in animated films from Japan. Their delight in Akira comes not from the underlying questions about human potential, playing with power and humanity, but in that a guy gets splattered all over a hallway. "People" = Edymnion.
Originally posted by Shoegaze99
That's a pretty broad brush. I know a number of people who enjoy areas of anime not because "it assumes its viewers are educated and intelligent," but because they like the artistic style and/or get a kick out of seeing animated gore, sex, and other delights not uncommon in animated films from Japan. Their delight in Akira comes not from the underlying questions about human potential, playing with power and humanity, but in that a guy gets splattered all over a hallway. "People" = Edymnion.
I agree. Though i consider myself intelligent, i groaned in agony at the last part of Akira, wich didn't seem to end.
as for all viewers are intelligent: *cough*Pokémon*cough*
(I watch animation more than live action stuff these days because, let's face it, TV's just getting stupider and stupider these days, which is saying a lot.)
I used to watch Duckman, but only because it was on when I was watching TV. And there wasn't anything better on at the time.
Hopefully, if they make another D&D cartoon, it won't be a new Duckman!
Originally posted by Raistlin-Uber-Mage
i'll tell ya what, the one thing more mrtifying than the cartoon AND movie combined is the dragon strike video. that was a 30 minute long movie that game with tsr's dragon strike game, a sort of watered down d&d: THE BOARD GAME! all you need to know are three hideous things:
1. the main character was played by malibu, an american gladiator
2. the elf had a tattoo across his face, a blue rectangle
3. the wizard had a wolf skin hat.
there you go, and it had acting levels below that of d&d the movie! the games was quite good, though.
You forgot to mention the crappy Dungeon Master wearing a black turtleneck in a dark room to try and look like a floating, disembodied head!
Couldn't stop laughing about that guy.
The game was pretty good, though. ;)
Originally posted by Edymnion
Just a bit off topic, but I want to straighten something up that I always see from people that don't know what they're talking about when it comes to anime.
Well said
Now if they'd just stop getting English male voice actors that all sound like Team Rocket, we'd be set.
One of the most annoying thing about American movies is the attitude that "I don't think that the viewer will understand, we had better pound them over the head with it 4 or 5 times to make sure they do!"
American popular culture has no subtlety to it at all.
Originally posted by Shoegaze99
That's a pretty broad brush. I know a number of people who enjoy areas of anime not because "it assumes its viewers are educated and intelligent," but because they like the artistic style and/or get a kick out of seeing animated gore, sex, and other delights not uncommon in animated films from Japan. Their delight in Akira comes not from the underlying questions about human potential, playing with power and humanity, but in that a guy gets splattered all over a hallway. "People" = Edymnion.
Yeah, and I know people that like to look at fine classical art because it has boobies in it. Doesn't mean the majority of people in art galleries are snickering over nekkid ladies though, just those people stand out more.
Admittedly, it would be great for those who would want it, for H-B to release the original D&D show in a boxed set. But, how many of us would be just as, or more, happy to have complete runs of the original Jonny Quest, '60s Fantastic Four, or Gargoyles (minus the ABC episodes)? I'm still hoping for collector's boxed sets of the Fox and WB Batman series.
Admittedly, it would be great for those who would want it, for H-B to release the original D&D show in a boxed set. But, how many of us would be just as, or more, happy to have complete runs of the original Jonny Quest, '60s Fantastic Four, or Gargoyles (minus the ABC episodes)? I'm still hoping for collector's boxed sets of the Fox and WB Batman series.
Originally posted by Edymnion
Yeah, and I know people that like to look at fine classical art because it has boobies in it. Doesn't mean the majority of people in art galleries are snickering over nekkid ladies though, just those people stand out more.
Yeah, but animé is, for good or bad, pop-culture.
That said the majority of people enjoy animé because it is *Fun* or *enjoyable* might be a better word. They're mostly looking to be entertained (just like any other pop-culture).
Originally posted by Arilou_skiff
Yeah, but animé is, for good or bad, pop-culture.
Well, it is becoming pop-culture. Some of us remember when it was a non-culture, where the only way to watch the stuff was to import it and read the script in your hand while you watched.