But where is the barbarian? And there are only mages!
Where pls can i find barbarians and sorcerers? Did i miss something?
Thank you for your help!
But where is the barbarian? And there are only mages!
Where pls can i find barbarians and sorcerers? Did i miss something?
Uhm, Barbarians existed in AD&D1e (Unearthed Arcana, IIRC). They were removed in AD&D2e, along with Monks, Cavaliers and Assassins. The idea was that a "Barbarian" could be portrayed with a Fighter or Ranger with the appropriate weapon and non-weapon proficiencies.
However, there are at least a Barbarian kit (and a Berserker kit) in the Complete Fighter's Handbook, and a "Complete Barbarian's Handbook", which probably reintroduces the class itself.
As for Sorcerers, if you mean 3e Sorcerers, they never existed in any OD&D or AD&D edition, though the class could be mimicked by using the Player's Option: Spells and Magic book, which introduces free magicks (that is, in 3e speech, "spontaneous spellcasting").
Note, however, that there were many wizard kits and classes in AD&D 2e -- see the growing list here:
http://boards1.wizards.com/showthread.php?t=682417
hmm... time to create houserules.:D
The sorceror class can be found in the rules for the CRPG Baldurs Gate 2.
Interesting. It seems that BG2 was a mix of AD&D2e and a few elements of 3e (monks, sorcerers, barbarian and half-orcs as "standard" classes and races).
It sounds perfect for my hybrid game.
Any Idea wher I can find CRPG Baldurs Gate 2?
It sounds perfect for my hybrid game.
Try the Planet Baldur's Gate website (http://www.planetbaldursgate.com/bg2/), theres's a summary of the rules.
G.
the barbarian was revised and put into a players handbook reference book on barbarians, its called pbhr the complete barbarians handbook and the monk was revied and put into one of the 3 forgotten realms books called faiths and avatars, demihuman deities or powers and patheons. as for the cavalier and assassin, i've brought them across into 2nd edition myself. the cavalier was split into 4 different cavalier classes - the original cavalier class from the 1st edition unearthed arcana book, the elven cavalier from dragon magazine issue #114 or 116, the drow elven cavalier and aquatic elven cavalier
The Assassin was a Thief kit in the Complete Theives book. I have no idea how well they did it, though.
Wasn't the cavelier addressed in F&A, too? Or am I mistaken
Wasn't the cavelier addressed in F&A, too? Or am I mistaken
It was in the CFH. The CFH and CTH kits are usually less powerful than the original classes, though the cavalier is an exception, and it still is very powerful (actually, IMO too powerful).
G.
It was in the CFH. The CFH and CTH kits are usually less powerful than the original classes, though the cavalier is an exception, and it still is very powerful (actually, IMO too powerful).
G.
Ah-- I am looking now and see that F&A gives a new sub-class for Clerics called the Crusader, which is what I had in mind. But you're right re the Assassin and CTH. It seems weaker than the 1e class. I haven't looked at the CFH, though.
And thank you all for your help and interest.
Any Idea wher I can find CRPG Baldurs Gate 2?
It sounds perfect for my hybrid game.
If you're looking for the game, try eBay. :D
The linked file doesnt exist anymore.
Uhm, which linked file?
G.
Just browse through the site, you'll fin what you're looking for.
The planet BG link. They've reorganized the site.
Just browse through the site, you'll fin what you're looking for.
Odd, the link doesn't point to any specific page, yet it is detected as faulty... anyway, this is the direct link: http://www.planetbaldursgate.com/bg2/character/classes/wizards/sorcerer/
i've brought them across into 2nd edition myself. the cavalier was split into 4 different cavalier classes - the original cavalier class from the 1st edition unearthed arcana book, the elven cavalier from dragon magazine issue #114 or 116, the drow elven cavalier and aquatic elven cavalier
If you're playing with house rules, don't forget to add a paladin-cavalier or an anti-paladin-cavalier!
The Assassin was a Thief kit in the Complete Theives book. I have no idea how well they did it, though.
In The Complete Thief's Handbook, it was decided that the assassin could be of any class, but was included as a thief kit to show how "a thief can be converted into an efficient, discreet killer" (p. 26).
The assassin was reintroduced as a rogue subclass in The Scarlet Brotherhood, as well as the monk as a priest subclass (pp. 72-74). Personally, I have no clue why they dropped them only to bring them back a decade later. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
In The Complete Thief's Handbook, it was decided that the assassin could be of any class, but was included as a thief kit to show how "a thief can be converted into an efficient, discreet killer" (p. 26).
The assassin was reintroduced as a rogue subclass in The Scarlet Brotherhood, as well as the monk as a priest subclass (pp. 72-74). Personally, I have no clue why they dropped them only to bring them back a decade later. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
They dropped them because AD&D 2e was originally an attempt at streamlining things: the idea was to compact classes into the four basic groups (plus psionicists, outside the core), and then use character kits to portray specialized class variants. So the Barbarian and Cavalier would be Fighter kits, and the Assassin a Thief kit -- but of course you could have Barbarian Clerics or Assassin Fighters as well (the Assassin Fighter kit is in a Dragon Magazine article, IIRC).
They were reintroduced probably as a Greyhawk specific thing ("The Scarlet Brotherhood" being a setting-specific book), to represent more faithfully the setting as it was in AD&D 1e.
Then which way was better is mostly matter of preferences -- personally I don't even use the Paladin as a class, since I prefer Paladin-like kits. Same for Assassins (they can belong to any class) and Cavaliers (just a Fighter variant, if at all needed). For Monks, I prefer to have martial artists of any class, so kits are still a better solution (actually, IMO the better oriental variant of AD&D is Dragonfist).