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| #1relic_hunterMay 05, 2009 15:37:35 | Im looking to build a ranger for a game starting at lvl 9. I have looked at a few different options and was wondering what everyones thoughts were. I am going bow. Going to be a elf, not sure what kind yet. I am going to use the level one and four Elf Ranger Racial sub levels from the RotW book. I think it would be fun to be able to roll play with the cooshee at my side. I was also thinking about taking a two level dip into the Stalker of Kharash PrC, but i didn't know if it would be worth it to get the scent of evil and FE-evil. Its only a two level dip and I know it would be good use in the game, always lots of evil guys. Let me know any thoughts you might have on these two options I have brought up. And if one or the other in the long is a waist of time please let me know. Also If you have a thought on which kind of elf would be best let me know. I have not got that far yet in my research, but any out side input would be welcomed. Thank you for your time. |
| #2carnivoreMay 05, 2009 15:44:47 | Wood Elf... what books allowed.... for a Core+ BoED... try this: Ranger 7/ Fighter 4/ Stalker of Kharash 2/ Horizon Walker 7 lots of Fun... easy to play .... great for an Archer Feats: Nemesis(Evil)... is awesome for this Build :D |
| #3gorfnad_the_shiznitMay 05, 2009 16:22:13 | What books and resources do you have available? For ranger builds I like Swift Hunters Also here is a link you might want to check as well: The 3.5 Ranger Handbook |
| #4relic_hunterMay 05, 2009 18:14:44 | Between the six of us we have all the books. The only book not allowed is the Book of the nine swords. So any other than that are allowed. I thank you for your replies and will look at what you have suggested. |
| #5dawnmorMay 05, 2009 18:24:03 | I would definately say a Dip of Stalker of Kharash 2 lvls. That way you get Favored enemy (Evil) and theirs tons of evil creatures out their. Horizon walker definately. |
| #6relic_hunterMay 05, 2009 18:56:44 | I was looking and in what book do i find Horizon walker? Im not catching it anywhere. |
| #7ninjarabbitMay 05, 2009 19:32:15 | Horizon walker is in the DMG/SRD, basically you're taking 6 levels of it to get dimension door as a SLA once every 1d4 rounds and maybe a 7th level if you want tremorsense Anyways ranger6/pioustemplar4/horizonwalker6/shadowdancer2/SoK2 |
| #8relic_hunterMay 05, 2009 19:36:46 | scratch that, just found it. |
| #9relic_hunterMay 05, 2009 20:02:20 | Horizon walker is in the DMG/SRD, basically you're taking 6 levels of it to get dimension door as a SLA once every 1d4 rounds and maybe a 7th level if you want tremorsense for the shadowdancer, the 2 level dip there is that to get the darkvision or what would be your main purpose of getting that? |
| #10gorfnad_the_shiznitMay 05, 2009 22:02:31 | How about something like thisTaken from: The Swift Hunter's Handbook 2007 ACF = Alternate Class Features which have sources listed in the Swift Hunter's Handbook. This is a very solid build with lots of potential, playability, and survivability. If you can get flaws at first level you can move some feats down and gain Darkstalker and Nemesis (arcanists) as well. |
| #11relic_hunterMay 05, 2009 22:33:00 | How about something like this I think I have what im going to go with. Ranger 1-4 Pious Templar 1 Stalker of Karash 2 Pious Templar 2 That gets me to 9. I think then ill take one more Pious Templar, 1 Ranger for 2nd FE, 6 or 7 Horizon Walker, then finish out with Ranger. If anyone has Ideas that might work out better for playability sake using what im going with please let me know. One last thing after i finish getting him set at lvl 9 we have 36k gold to play with. Only thing we can't use is the MIC. Don't ask me why but all the DM's (4 of them in the group) all think its cheese, but lets not dwell there. So i have 36k gold to deck me out and my Cooshee Animal companion out with what we need. Only thing i know is that we will be taking on alot of drow.... |
| #12true_shinkenMay 05, 2009 23:15:31 | I'd say go with a Mystic Ranger. |
| #13carnivoreMay 06, 2009 4:29:46 | you will need to modify this: Ranger 1-4 Pious Templar 1 Stalker of Karash 2 Pious Templar 2 Pious Templar requires: Skills: Knowledge (religion) 4 ranks. Feats: True Believer, Weapon Focus (with her deity's favored weapon). Base Attack Bonus: +5. thus you dont qualify until 5th lvl.... try this instead: Wood Elf Ranger 5/ Pious Templar 3/ Stalker of Karash 2 not in that order.... Favored Enemies: Arcanist Magical beasts Evil feats: 1st lvl: Weapon Focus(Longbow) Track(ranger Bonus) 2nd lvl: Rapid Shot(ranger Bonus) 3rd lvl: True Believer Endurance(ranger Bonus) 6th lvl: Point Blank Shot 9th lvl: Nemesis(Evil) 10th lvl: Weapon Specialization(Longbow)(Pious Templar bonus) :D |
| #14ninjarabbitMay 06, 2009 4:35:39 | for the shadowdancer, the 2 level dip there is that to get the darkvision or what would be your main purpose of getting that? Evasion and hide in plain sight |
| #15carnivoreMay 06, 2009 5:02:26 | i do like Shadowdancer dips for those reasons... usually before i take Underground Terrain Mastery from horizon Walker... that way since Shadowdancer 2 also gives Darkvision 60'.... it is boosted to 120'.... in addition Shadowdancer give a nice set of Class skills and Uncanny Dodge but because of the Feat reqs.... i would adjust the build as follows: Wood Elf Ranger 4/ Monk 2/ Pious Templar 4/ Stalker of Karash 2/ Horizon Walker 6/ Shadowdancer 2 use the Cobra Strike Monk variant from UA :D |
| #16relic_hunterMay 06, 2009 10:39:14 | you will need to modify this: I don't even know why i didn't see the BAB5 needed. thanks for fixing that in my sight. |
| #17relic_hunterMay 06, 2009 11:13:29 | Oh here is what i have. We are playing with the pathfinder rules so PC's get feats every odd level. Also there is no x4 to skills when you put the 1st point into it at 1st lvl. So all skill req are knocked down by 3 ranks when figuring out the req for PrC. So here is what I have let me know how you think it looks. 1 Elf Ranger Racial sub lvl 2 Ranger 3 Ranger 4 Elf Ranger Racial Sub lvl 5 Ranger 6 Pious Templar 7 Pious Templar 8 Stalker of Kharash 9 Stalker of Kharash Feats 1Weap focus Longbow, Track (RB) 2Point blank shot (RB) 3 True Believer, endurance (RB) 4 cooshee companion (RB) 5 Alertness 6Rapid shot (RB) 7Favored of the Companions 8 scent of evil (SoK) 9 Nemesis(evil) Favored enemy-evil (SoK) |
| #18carnivoreMay 06, 2009 11:22:02 | 1 Elf Ranger Racial sub lvl looks good but unless Pathfinder gives different Feats as bonus Feats for Rangers... they get Rapid Shot @ 2nd lvl also you need to adjust like this: 1 Elf Ranger Racial sub lvl 2 Ranger 3 Ranger 4 Elf Ranger Racial Sub lvl 5 Pious Templar 6 Pious Templar 7 Pious Templar 8 Stalker of Kharash 9 Stalker of Kharash then adjust the Feats :D |
| #19relic_hunterMay 06, 2009 12:35:01 | looks good but unless Pathfinder gives different Feats as bonus Feats for Rangers... they get Rapid Shot @ 2nd lvl also you need to adjust like this: They thank you for that adjustment. I have also one question in here. We will be playing in the Planes. I have never played a game in the Planes, Sigil. So as for my favorite enemy what would be a good pic? I know we will be dealing with alot of drow but I dont want to pick it meta-game wise. |
| #20muertogMay 06, 2009 14:22:54 | Arcane Hunter as a favored enemy substitution. ^_^ |
| #21carnivoreMay 06, 2009 14:44:41 | Arcane Hunter as a favored enemy substitution. ^_^ +1 since you will get Favored Enemy(Evil) .... that covers most of the really "Bad" things you will encounter..... Arcanists(Arcane Spellcasters) are next.... followed by Evil Outsiders, Aberations, Dragons dont worry too much about the Drow... in a Planar Environment with Sigil, there are a lot more Dangerous creatures to worry about :D |
| #22relic_hunterMay 06, 2009 15:41:34 | Arcane Hunter as a favored enemy substitution. ^_^ ok i was thinking about that. but i wasn't sure if i could because im using a 1st level variant with the elf ranger. Can you use more than one variant per level? If I can thats great and I will use the arcane hunter. I know the DM and he loves his casters. |
| #23ninjarabbitMay 06, 2009 15:49:45 | ok i was thinking about that. but i wasn't sure if i could because im using a 1st level variant with the elf ranger. Can you use more than one variant per level? Yes as long as you're trading different things. |
| #24relic_hunterMay 06, 2009 15:58:05 | Yes as long as you're trading different things. Awesome, thank you for the reply. Also thank you to everyone with the help I was looking for. I think I have this guy nailed down to how I want him to be. I just need to out fit him and play him. Should be a good time. |
| #25true_shinkenMay 06, 2009 19:37:33 | +1 The most powerful drow males would be arcanists anyway. You only have to worry with the females. |
| #26sofawallMay 06, 2009 20:40:37 | Question. Why no ToB: BoNS? |
| #27relic_hunterMay 07, 2009 10:45:18 | Im not sure why no ToB. I guess he didn't want any war blades, but in not really sure. As for the first favorite enemy I think im going to stick with the Elf Ranger 1st level. They can get FE servants of Lolth. That covers Drow, monstrous spiders of all sizes, and driders. But instead of +2 to the bonuses it gives you a +3. When i was talking to the DM last night about the build he told me how he liked that I picked that variant because the big thing this campaign sets around is Lolth and the servants of Lolth. And as for gear. I have 36k to spend, but no MIC. I'm not really sure what to get him up with yet. All I have looked through is the Pathfinder PHB and all it has it the basic stuff. Ring of Force Shield 8.5K +2 Shield AC Ring of Protection +1/+2 2k/8k Amulet of nat armor +1/+2 2k/8k Bracers of Archery Lesser +1 attack 5k Bracers of Archery Greater +2 attack +1 dmg 25k Cloak of Resistance +1/+2 1k/4k Efficient Quiver 1.8k Headband of Inspired Wisdom +2 4k Not really sure yet what to grab for this character. |
| #28gorfnad_the_shiznitMay 07, 2009 17:16:09 | Bracers of Archery Lesser +1 attack 5k The bonuses on these do not stack so you only need the greater one. I would look into a Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis from Tome of Magic preferably the always on one (you can make the Amulet of Nat Arm into a Vest of Nat Arm without much difficulty to free up the slot for the collar). Ring of Force Shield 8.5K +2 Shield AC You can use a buckler without penalty while firing a bow or crossbow so I would go with a +X Mithril or Darkwood Buckler instead of the ring. Taken from The Lone Drow: Companions of the Hall One other item I would look into is the quiver above. If your DM allows it, it will boost your to hit and some to damage but what it really does is free up room on your bow for all the fun enchantments like mage bane, seeking, and what not. |
| #29relic_hunterMay 07, 2009 21:12:28 | The bonuses on these do not stack so you only need the greater one. I would look into a Collar of Umbral Metamorphosis from Tome of Magic preferably the always on one (you can make the Amulet of Nat Arm into a Vest of Nat Arm without much difficulty to free up the slot for the collar). For the bracers I know they don't stack. I was going to use one or the other, depending on how much money i had left. And I talked to the DM today and he said yes we can use the MIC, i just have to pass it by him to see what Im going to use. I looked at the Bow of Wintermoon. Its only 3400 in there but i think i remember seeing it in Races of the Wild for a bit more. Not exactly what to do about a bow. |
| #30sofawallMay 07, 2009 22:11:37 | MIC is newer than Races of the Wild. New price suipercedes old. |
| #31trednisMay 07, 2009 22:47:38 | for 22.6k the Heartseaker bow (do a search on the Wizards site) is a great investment for a ranger type. |
| #32jgumbyrxMay 07, 2009 22:52:59 | if you're gonna PrC early, i'd say you might want to checkout the "champion of the wild" ACF from CC for an extra feat @ 4th lvl, since you won't be advancing you're spells. |
| #33relic_hunterMay 07, 2009 22:59:28 | MIC is newer than Races of the Wild. New price suipercedes old. How can that item be only 3400? Like its +1 Composite Longbow, with the ability to use all your str to dmg, Frost, and Drow Bane... |
| #34relic_hunterMay 07, 2009 23:32:39 | ... |
| #35muertogMay 08, 2009 0:02:37 | Where does it say that bucklers don't give a penalty to attack rolls for ranged weapons? |
| #36relic_hunterMay 08, 2009 0:25:00 | Ok. I am interested In using the Bow of Wintermoon, the relic from MIC and RotW. Now in MIC it cost 3400. The DM said that anything that we find in the MIC he wants us all to pass it by him. He looked at it and said that its to cheap and must be a miss print. SO.... He said that it should cost more. He said something that with all the properties that it should cost like 19000. I showed him that it needs a certain alignment, you must worship a particular deity, and that you need to either give up a 5th level spell slot, or have a feat. I guess what I am asking is do other people on here think that this is a typo and to cheap, or do you think its fair? Also if you think its fair what can i tell the DM to see why it should only cost 3400. Thank you the help. |
| #37muertogMay 08, 2009 0:47:13 | Ok. I am interested In using the Bow of Wintermoon, the relic from MIC and RotW. Now in MIC it cost 3400. The DM said that anything that we find in the MIC he wants us all to pass it by him. He looked at it and said that its to cheap and must be a miss print. Eh. The problem w/ pointing out "limitations" in order to reduce the price of items, especially ones "purchased" out of a book, is that you would not purchase an item if those limitations affected you. This is the same reason why the DM is advised under crafting rules to not allow players to reduce the cost of an item to excessive amounts by putting limitations such as "must be used by {character's class}, be of {character's alignment}, must worship {character's deity}". It makes the item usable by only that character, but then again, who would use it if it was made FOR that character. If the DM states that the item is too cheap (in his estimation), not much that can be done. The DM is well within his rights to ban the item from the campaign altogether if he feels you are getting too greedy. :/ That said, there are some limitations that need to be pointed out that do work in the price's favour. 1) It is only a +1 bow for most characters. 2) It is a +X Strength bow, which has a relatively low flat price, only if you satisfy alignment reqs. 3) The bane/frost properties are unavailable until you reach 9th level (minimum) because it states you must either have access to (and sacrifice) a 5th level spell slot or take the True Believer feat (and be min 9th level). At 9th level, an effectively +3 weapon (that should not be able to be enchanted further) is not out of the question. Prior to 9th level, it will only be a slightly better than normal +1 weapon. :/ |
| #38gorfnad_the_shiznitMay 08, 2009 1:04:57 | Where does it say that bucklers don't give a penalty to attack rolls for ranged weapons? From the SRD Buckler: This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm. You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you don’t get the buckler’s AC bonus for the rest of the round. |
| #39relic_hunterMay 08, 2009 1:06:22 | Eh. The problem w/ pointing out "limitations" in order to reduce the price of items, especially ones "purchased" out of a book, is that you would not purchase an item if those limitations affected you. This is the same reason why the DM is advised under crafting rules to not allow players to reduce the cost of an item to excessive amounts by putting limitations such as "must be used by {character's class}, be of {character's alignment}, must worship {character's deity}". It makes the item usable by only that character, but then again, who would use it if it was made FOR that character. Ok. I see what your saying. So im thinking about not going for that bow. I mean its only 5k short of what it a +3 should be. Ill just make something that will work in my favor. I mean not everything will be a drow, but it kinda fits with what his back ground is. but ill go around and not use the frost. i think that there might be something else +1 that might be better use. Ill have to see what it is i want. Thank you for your reply and thoughts about it. I guess one thing that helped me not want it anymore was the fact that it cant be upgraded anymore. I mean we'll get more gold.... |
| #40gorfnad_the_shiznitMay 08, 2009 1:06:09 | Where does it say that bucklers don't give a penalty to attack rolls for ranged weapons? From the SRD Buckler: This small metal shield is worn strapped to your forearm. You can use a bow or crossbow without penalty while carrying it. You can also use your shield arm to wield a weapon (whether you are using an off-hand weapon or using your off hand to help wield a two-handed weapon), but you take a –1 penalty on attack rolls while doing so. This penalty stacks with those that may apply for fighting with your off hand and for fighting with two weapons. In any case, if you use a weapon in your off hand, you don’t get the buckler’s AC bonus for the rest of the round. |
| #41muertogMay 08, 2009 2:05:16 | The bow isn't an end-all, but do make sure to pick up a good handful of weapon and armour crystals. The weapon ones will save you from having to waste +1 enchantment costs for merely elemental damage. As an additional side note: Armour crystals work in any item that gives a +AC bonus. That includes bracers of armour and shields, as well as armour. That means, you can have 3 different armour crystals active at any given moment. |
| #42relic_hunterMay 08, 2009 2:25:45 | The bow isn't an end-all, but do make sure to pick up a good handful of weapon and armour crystals. The weapon ones will save you from having to waste +1 enchantment costs for merely elemental damage. from what books do you get armour crystals? |
| #43carnivoreMay 08, 2009 5:29:01 | MIC :D |
| #44muertogMay 08, 2009 8:35:49 | If you want to get cheesy about it, you -might- be able to say that the crystals work on rings of protection as well... I have to find the exact section that specifically mentions armour crystals + bracers. Edit: Nope, the exact words are "or any other magic item that grants an armor bonus to AC" (MIC, p.221). Further down the same page is a mention of bracers of armor +1, but rings of prot only give deflection bonuses if I am not mistaken. |
| #45carnivoreMay 08, 2009 14:41:04 | is this game a Point Buy ... if so what is it 32pt Buy, 28pt, 25pt? Assuming 32pt buy: (Wood Elf: +2 Str, +2 Dex, -2 Con, -2 Int) 18 Str(14 +2 Racial+2 Belt) 20 Dex(14 +2 Racial +2 lvls +2 gloves) 14 Con(16 +2 Racial) 10 Int(12 -2 Racial) 14 Wis(14) 8 Cha(8) for Equipment... try this: 2100gp +1 Mithral Chain Shirt 1205gp +1 Darkwood Buckler 320gp Masterwork Rapier 18800gp +1 Evil Bane Shock Mighty(+4 str) Composite longbow 4000gp +2 Belt of Str 4000gp +2 Gloves of Dex 2000gp Handy Haversack 5gp 100 Arrows(Regular) 40gp 20x Alchemical Silver Arrows 5gp 50x Cold Iron Arrows 1500gp 2x Wands of Cure light 200gp Acid flasks(20) 200gp Alchemists fire(10) 150gp Antitoxin(3) 110gp Everburning torch 200gp Holywater(8) 250gp Tanglefoot Bags(5) 150gp light Warhorse 20gp Military Saddle 150gp Guard Dogs(6)..trained........... 60gp exotic Saddles(pack)(4) 16gp saddle bags(4) 220gp Misc Adventuring Gear Show -3xSpell component pouch 15 gp -Backpack (empty) 2 gp -3xSaddlebags 12gp -Bedroll 1 sp -Block and tackle 5 gp -10xCase, map or scroll 10 gp - Fishhook 1 sp -10xFlask (empty) 3sp -Flint and steel 1 gp -Grappling hook 1 gp -Hammer 5 sp -5xInk (1 oz. vial) 40 gp (colors: Blackx2, Red, Blue, yellow) -5xInkpen 5 sp — -Lantern, bullseye 12 gp -2xMirror, small steel 20 gp -Mug/Tankard, clay 2 cp -5xOil (1-pint flask) 5sp -10xPaper (sheet) 4gp -10xParchment (sheet) 2 gp -5xPiton 5sp -5xPouch, belt (empty) 5 gp -10xRations, trail (per day) 5gp -Rope, silk (100ft.) 20gp -10xSack (empty) 1gp -Sealing wax 1 gp 1 lb. -Sewing needle 5 sp -Signal whistle 8 sp -Signet ring 5 gp -Soap (per lb.) 5 sp -Spade or shovel 2 gp -Tent 10 gp -10xVial ink or potion 10 gp -3xWaterskin 3 gp -Cold weather outfit 8 gp -Explorer’s outfit 10 gp -Scholar’s outfit 5 gp -Traveler’s outfit 1 gp 218gp 7 silver 2 copper |
| #46phaedrusxyMay 08, 2009 16:35:14 | for 22.6k the Heartseaker bow (do a search on the Wizards site) is a great investment for a ranger type. I think you mean this: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/ask/20061227a And yes, it is crazy good. The Bow of Wintermoon from the MiC is also very awesome, as already mentioned, even without the Frost/Drowbane stuff (you need to burn a feat or a 5th level divine spell slot for that). Basically for +1400 gp, your bow automatically adjusts its pull to your strength. The original was a +4 bow, which is why it cost so much more. This one is just a +1 (which is actually better... just get a party spellcaster to cast GMW on it). Thank you for your reply and thoughts about it. I guess one thing that helped me not want it anymore was the fact that it cant be upgraded anymore. I mean we'll get more gold.... You can upgrade it. Furthermore, a character can improve an existing relic just as he could any other magic item. I absolutely would take this bow, if the D&D cartoon bow that I linked to above isn't allowed (and it is a bit cheesy/overpowered...). I'm going to use it for my own archer in a game that's just starting. Here is a partial equipment list from that character (it is an ardent with only 1 level of ranger, but there is quite a lot of overlap in function): Gloves of the Master Strategist and Dex +2 (7,600), Headband of Wis +2 (4,000), +1 Deepcrystal Elvencraft Precision Bow of the Wintermoon w/Wand Chamber (12,000), Least Revelation Weapon Crystal (400), Piercer Cloak of Resistance +3 (9,900), Golembane Scarab of Health +2 (6,500), Healing Belt (750 gp), Oil of Bless Weapon x10 (500 gp), Oil of Curse Weapon x2 (100 gp), Efficient Quiver (1800), Masterwork tools (+2 circ.): Concentration, Psicraft, MS, Spot, Listen, Concentration, Tumble, Sense Motive, Autohypnosis (450 gp); Lesser Metamagic Rod of Extend (3000), 20 cold iron arrows (2), 20 silver arrows (41), 200 normal arrows Item descriptions Piercer Cloak (MiC, 900 gp): +1d6 damage if above your target (very nice if you can fly) Bow of the Wintermoon (relic to Corellon, MiC, 3,400 gp): +1 composite longbow that auto-adjusts to Str if you are NG, CG, or CN. Acts as Frost and Drowbane if you worship Corellon and spend a 5th level divine slot or have True Believer. Gloves of the Master Strategist (Ghostwalk, 3,600 gp): True Strike 1/day and functions like gloves of storing Elvencraft (RotW, 300 gp): Can use bow as quarterstaff Precision (MiC, +1): Gain Precise Shot feat Least Revelation Weapon Crystal (MiC, 400 gp): Struck invisible target illuminated for 1 round. |
| #47relic_hunterMay 10, 2009 20:50:04 | is this game a Point Buy ... if so what is it 32pt Buy, 28pt, 25pt? |
| #48carnivoreMay 11, 2009 5:49:59 | PhaedrusXY gave some good suggestions that i forgot... i would adjust the list like this: 340gp to spend for Equipment... try this: 900 gp Piercer Cloak (MiC): +1d6 damage if above your target (very nice if you can fly) 400 gp Least Revelation Weapon Crystal (MiC): Struck invisible target illuminated for 1 round. 2100gp +1 Mithral Chain Shirt 1205gp +1 Darkwood Buckler 320gp Masterwork Rapier 19100gp +1 Evil Bane Precision Mighty(+4 str) Elevencraft Composite longbow 4000gp +2 Belt of Str 4000gp +2 Gloves of Dex 2000gp Handy Haversack 5gp 100 Arrows(Regular) 40gp 20x Alchemical Silver Arrows 5gp 50x Cold Iron Arrows 750gp Wand of Cure light 150gp light Warhorse 20gp Military Saddle 150gp Guard Dogs(6)..trained........... 60gp exotic Saddles(pack)(4) 16gp saddle bags(4) 220gp Misc Adventuring Gear Show -3xSpell component pouch 15 gp -Backpack (empty) 2 gp -3xSaddlebags 12gp -Bedroll 1 sp -Block and tackle 5 gp -10xCase, map or scroll 10 gp - Fishhook 1 sp -10xFlask (empty) 3sp -Flint and steel 1 gp -Grappling hook 1 gp -Hammer 5 sp -5xInk (1 oz. vial) 40 gp (colors: Blackx2, Red, Blue, yellow) -5xInkpen 5 sp — -Lantern, bullseye 12 gp -2xMirror, small steel 20 gp -Mug/Tankard, clay 2 cp -5xOil (1-pint flask) 5sp -10xPaper (sheet) 4gp -10xParchment (sheet) 2 gp -5xPiton 5sp -5xPouch, belt (empty) 5 gp -10xRations, trail (per day) 5gp -Rope, silk (100ft.) 20gp -10xSack (empty) 1gp -Sealing wax 1 gp 1 lb. -Sewing needle 5 sp -Signal whistle 8 sp -Signet ring 5 gp -Soap (per lb.) 5 sp -Spade or shovel 2 gp -Tent 10 gp -10xVial ink or potion 10 gp -3xWaterskin 3 gp -Cold weather outfit 8 gp -Explorer’s outfit 10 gp -Scholar’s outfit 5 gp -Traveler’s outfit 1 gp 218gp 7 silver 2 copper |
| #49phaedrusxyMay 11, 2009 10:42:36 | Evil is not a legit category for a Bane weapon. It could be Evil Outsiders, but not just Evil.... unless there is an Evil Bane enhancement somewhere that I don't know about. Holy is what you want against all evil dudes, but it doesn't provide the +2 to your enhancement bonus, and it is a +2 mod instead of +1. |
| #50carnivoreMay 11, 2009 11:17:09 | sine there is no Favored Enemy(Evil) except by PrC, i figured that it would be a relatively easy stretch to allow it for a character who already had Favored Enemy(Evil)... ... if it was not allowed you could simply go with: Blessed(BoED p113)(+1 bonus) Bless Weapon, always on. Specifically, the weapon does ‘good’ damage (with regards to Damage Reduction) and any Threatened Critical on an Evil opponent is automatically confirmed (does not stack with ‘Keen’, ‘Vorpal’, etc.) or Blood Seeking(CWar p134) Ignores the target’s Cover bonus. If target has Full Cover, but there is an unobstructed path between the attacker & the target & the attacker knows where the target is, then the Full Cover bonus is also ignored, but the target has Total Concealment. Ability does not work against Plants, Oozes, Constructs, etc. usually it is better than the Precise Enhancement for a Planescape type campaign based in Sigil .... Evil Outsider Bane is not too bad either :D |
| #51relic_hunterMay 11, 2009 13:05:39 | sine there is no Favored Enemy(Evil) except by PrC, i figured that it would be a relatively easy stretch to allow it for a character who already had Favored Enemy(Evil)... ... if it was not allowed you could simply go with: Thank you for more and more ideas. I have one quick question. What does elvencraft do for a the bow? thanks |
| #52phaedrusxyMay 11, 2009 13:32:05 | Thank you for more and more ideas. I have one quick question. What does elvencraft do for a the bow? thanks Let's you use it as a melee weapon (same stats as a quarterstaff). This was in my earlier post. |
| #53relic_hunterMay 11, 2009 14:43:08 | Let's you use it as a melee weapon (same stats as a quarterstaff). This was in my earlier post. Ok, im sorry i must have over read it. And im gonna take a stab and say that all the stats will work on it when you use it as the melee weap also? |
| #54carnivoreMay 11, 2009 14:52:18 | the Main reasons to have Elvencraft Bows...... they are tougher, harder to sunder... but also let you Threaten Adjacent when you are holding a Bow, and you can use it in Melee without switching weapons, and you can use it 2 Handed or with TWF(not both at the same time) :D |
| #55carnivoreMay 11, 2009 15:24:10 | here are some more Bows that would be very useful: 26600gp +1 Seeking Hideaway Blood Seeking Mighty(+4 str) Elevencraft Composite longbow Seeking(DMG p225)(+1 bonus) Negates the Miss Chance due to Concealment, Blur, etc. The attack must be aimed at a hex containing a creature to work(i.e., it cannot find random Invisible foes in the battlefield). Blood Seeking(CWar p134) Ignores the target’s Cover bonus. If target has Full Cover, but there is an unobstructed path between the attacker & the target & the attacker knows where the target is, then the Full Cover bonus is also ignored, but the target has Total Concealment. Ability does not work against Plants, Oozes, Constructs, etc. Hideaway(RotW p171)(+7500gp) As a Free Action, the weapon transforms into a cylinder small enough to fit in the wielder’s hand (+2 Circumstance bonus to Sleight of Hand checks to conceal it). The weapon can be restored to its normal size as a Free Action. the nice thing about this Bow.... it is not normally apparent that you are armed... since you are only holding a small cylinder that you can hide in your hand..... but it is a Free Action to transform it into a Bow and Back .... that way after you fire your Arrows, you can make it small again and less likely to be the Target of a Sunder attempt..... the best part is : [indent]it allows you to Ignore Cover and Concealment[/indent] this makes you much more accurate.... for a cheaper version... lose the "Hideaway feature" if you want to focus on Damage.... try this: 23100gp +1 Sacred Magebane Mighty(+4 str) Elevencraft Seren Composite longbow Magebane(CArc p143)(+1 bonus) Against any creature that casts Arcane spells or has Arcane spell-like abilities, the weapon gains an extra +2 attack bonus & does an extra +2d6 damage. Sacred(libris Mortis or BoED)(+1 bonus) Upon command, a sacred weapon is sheathed in luminous positive energy. This energy does not harm the wielder unless it is undead, in which case it takes 1 point of Charisma damage per round it holds the weapon when it is so energized. The effect remains until another command is given. A sacred weapon deals an extra 1d6 points of damage to undead (or 2d6 against evil outsiders) on a successful hit. Bows, crossbows, and slings so crafted bestow the positive energy upon their ammunition. The weapon is also treated as being good-aligned (for the purpose of overcoming damage reduction) when sheathed in positive energy. another fun Bow is this: 19100gp +1 Force Mighty(+4 str) Elevencraft Composite longbow Force(MIC)(+2 Bonus) Allows all attacks made by this weapon to do Force Damage a very nice addition to any bow.... is Serren Wood: Serren Wood(BoED p38)+4,000 gp Arrows & bolts made from Serren wood gain the Ghost-Touch property as an Exceptional (i.e., non-magical) ability Bows made from Serren wood grant the Ghost-Touch property to their ammo as an Exceptional ability. :D |
| #56phaedrusxyMay 11, 2009 15:30:48 | Hideaway(RotW p171)(+7500gp) I considered this, but if you can use the Gloves of the Master Strategist from Ghostwalk, they are better. You can stow/retrieve the weapon as a free action with them, also, and you can continue to use the gloves if you get a new bow. They're also cheaper. (Ridiculously cheap, since they are improved Gloves of Storing, but cost less :P ). If you want another item for the glove slot (I wanted Gloves of Object Reading), I could see going with this instead, though. I wound up not taking either the Gloves of the Master Strategist, or this enhancement, due to money constraints. Also, I'll be flying most of the time and have some dimensional travel powers, and so hopefully can keep my bow out of harm's way just by being mobile. That's the main reason I see for using these kinds of things. You can hide the bow in between volleys, and so make it untargetable for Sunder/Dispels. Also, with the Elvencraft bows, if you stow it in between volleys, it prevents you from using it to make AoOs. Not a big deal, but something to consider. |
| #57carnivoreMay 11, 2009 15:39:27 | i love Gloves of the Master Strategist from Ghostwalk, but few seem to have the Book, and fewer will allow it..... Hideaway is easier to get approval for :D |
| #58dr_rocktopusMay 11, 2009 16:28:44 | for a Planescape type campaign based in Sigil .... Evil Outsider Bane is not too bad either You have an unerring ability to make me wistful for campaigns of old, Carnivore. I don't mean to hijack, so I will offer up my own little touch. Belt of Healing over Wand of CLW: More useful longer into your expected lifespan. If you have a free belt slot, you should have this or the belt of battle. 2xLesser Glyph Seal: Holds any spell of 2nd level or less? How about you get to pretend to be an arcane archer? Arrow of grease? Maybe an arrow of entangle? Good as traps, alarms, buff containers (your belt is non-living)... Really just a great item at 1k each. But my big silly contribution... Dust of Disappearance Now, it's a nice item, if expensive... But unlike the normal dusts, it just says any creature touched by it. Just keep a pouch of it and stick your hand in when you want to go invisible. Reasonable that it might have limited uses this way, but talk to your GM. Oh! And don't forget the Aggressive Trait! Always worth it. +2 init for -1 AC. |
| #59relic_hunterMay 27, 2009 11:43:30 | 5gp 100 Arrows(Regular) Oh these arrows what does the alchemical silver arrows do exactly? |
| #60phaedrusxyMay 27, 2009 11:52:18 | Oh these arrows what does the alchemical silver arrows do exactly? Bypasses damage reduction or regeneration that requires a silver weapon. |
| #61relic_hunterMay 27, 2009 12:02:38 | ok thank you. thats what i figured but wasn't sure. |
| #62relic_hunterMay 27, 2009 23:49:48 | Well after rolling here are my stats including racial mods and the lvl 4 and 8 stat bonuses: Str 16 Dex 28 Con 14 Int 13 Wis 12 Cha 14 The stats i rolled are as followed: 21, 16, 14, 13, 13, 12 Racial: Pathfinder Elf +2Dex, Int -2Con, Wood elf MM +2Str -2Int Lvl 4 +1 Dex Lvl 8 +1 Cha Here is the equipment that I have chosen so far. Any suggestions let me know. Masterworked Elven Courtblade +2 Thistledown padded (max dex +10) +2 Dark Wood buckler +1 Holy Composite Elvencraft Longbow Mighty +3 Gloves of Dex +4 Efficient Quiver 100 Arrows 50 Cold Iron Arrows 20 Alchemist Silver Arrows 20 Dragons breath Arrows Other than the small odds and ins thats about it. Let me know what you all think. |
| #63carnivoreMay 28, 2009 5:44:13 | looks good ...... but you are overbudget(36000gp for a 9th lvl character): 450gp Masterworked Elven Courtblade 4405gp +2 Thistledown padded (+1 Armor, max dex +10) with Dex 28 = AC 22 (base 10 + 3 Armor +9 Dex) 4205gp +2 Dark Wood buckler(+3 shield AC) 19000gp+1 Holy Composite Elvencraft Longbow Mighty +3 16000gp Gloves of Dex +4 1800gp Efficient Quiver 5gp 100 Arrows(Regular) 40gp 20x Alchemical Silver Arrows 5gp 50x Cold Iron Arrows 50gp 20x Dragons breath Arrows 45960gp ....... 9th lvl WBL= 36000gp ..... but, id say try this instead to stay under budget(36000gp): 5100gp +1 Nimble Mithral Chain Shirt(+4 Armor bonus, +8 Max Dex)with Dex 26 = AC 23 (base 10 + 5 Armor +8 Dex) 1205gp +1 Darkwood Buckler(+2 shield AC) 320gp Masterwork Rapier 19100gp +1 Holy Mighty(+4 str) Elevencraft Composite longbow 4000gp +2 Belt of Str 4000gp +2 Gloves of Dex 2000gp Handy Haversack 5gp 100 Arrows(Regular) 40gp 20x Alchemical Silver Arrows 5gp 50x Cold Iron Arrows 50gp 20x Dragons breath Arrows 150gp light Warhorse 20gp Military Saddle 50gp Guard Dogs(2)..trained........... 16gp saddle bags(4) 220gp Misc Adventuring Gear will give this: Str 18 Dex 26 Con 14 Int 13 Wis 12 Cha 14 better Str for More damage..... all other stats are virtually unchanged except slightly lower -1 Ranged Attacks, Init, Ref save, Dex skills and Checks and +1 Damage , Str checks.... more equipment Nimble Armor Special Quality Nimbleness This type of armor feels lighter and less restrictive than other armor of its type. While the actual weight is unchanged, the maximum Dexterity bonus increases by +2 and the armor check penalty decreases by 1. Caster Level: 8th Requirements: Craft Magic Arms and Armor, cat's grace Price: +1 bonus |
| #64relic_hunterMay 28, 2009 10:58:16 | looks good ...... but you are overbudget(36000gp for a 9th lvl character): |
| #65carnivoreMay 28, 2009 15:28:56 | try this adjusted equipment list: 5100gp +1 Nimble Mithral Chain Shirt(+4 Armor bonus, +8 Max Dex)with Dex 26 = AC 23 (base 10 + 5 Armor +8 Dex) 1205gp +1 Darkwood Buckler(+2 shield AC) 450gp Masterworked Elven Courtblade 19100gp +1 Holy Mighty(+4 str) Elevencraft Composite longbow 4750gp +2 Belt of Str + Healing Belt(MIC) 4000gp +2 Gloves of Dex 2000gp Handy Haversack 5gp 100 Arrows(Regular) 40gp 20x Alchemical Silver Arrows 5gp 50x Cold Iron Arrows 50gp 20x Dragons breath Arrows 150gp light Warhorse 20gp Military Saddle 50gp Guard Dogs(2)..trained........... 16gp saddle bags(4) 220gp Misc Adventuring Gear 9037gp to spend ..... try some of these(add some to existing items): 2500gp Crystal of Arrow Deflection(MIC) 900gp Hand of the mage 1800gp Hat of disguise 2500gp Golembane Scarab 2500gp Ring of Sustenance 1000gp +1 Vest of Resistance(CArc) 3000gp Rust Bag of Tricks 212gp Everbright Lantern(Eb p265) 3600gp Belt of Ultimate Athleticism(MIC): as Swift Action, take 10 in balance, climb, jump, swim and tumble. 2200gp Gloves of Agile Striking(MIC) 3/day +2d6 damage with ranged or light weapons. :D |