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9th level spells, 9th level maneuvers and 16+ BAB

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#1
endalia
Oct 24, 2008 4:44:33 Does anyone have an idea of how to accomplish this?

Bloodlines are ok. I do however want 10 JPM in the build if it's possible.

I've got one build that gives you 16 BAB, 17 CL and 17 IL, but I can't really make it work level by level.

Warblade 1/Wizard 1/Abjurant Champion 5/ JPM 10/Major Bloodline 3. The problem is that you can't reach any of the PrC's with this build if you level it, and as such it doesn't work.

So please, some help.
#2
hogarth
Oct 24, 2008 8:23:47 Hmmm...I don't know much about Bo9S, but how about something like Bard 1/martial class 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Sublime Chord 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 8?

You might need a big Int score to get all of the necessary skils, though!
#3
innabinder
Oct 24, 2008 8:27:03
Hmmm...I don't know much about Bo9S, but how about something like Bard 1/Warblade 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Sublime Chord 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 8?

You might need a big Int score to get all of the necessary skils, though!

Swordsage has more available skill points, which could ease that INT burden some.
#4
Omen_of_Peace
Oct 24, 2008 8:29:21 - 9th level spells => at most 3 levels that don't progress casting
- 9th level maneuvers => at most 6 levels that don't progress IL
so without Bloodlines you must have 11 levels that progress both casting and IL... not possible.

And if you want a martial class dip AND 10 JPM levels you've already lost 3 spellcasting levels... so you can't fit a bloodline in there.

The only two solutions I can think of are:
1) abuse a Kobold with the Draconic Rite and the Lore susbstitution from Dragons of Eberron (you end with 3 free sorcerer levels) - but it's rather cheesy.

2) change JPM to a manifesting progression (shouldn't be too hard), and use Ardent as a base. With Practiced Manifester you should get 9th level powers. (But the build might end up worse than a wizard one without 9th level spells.)

edit: and of course I forgot about Sublime Chord... that could work.
edit2: actually SC gets 9th level spells with 9 levels of spellcasting... JPM will make this not so easy to get.
#5
hogarth
Oct 24, 2008 8:29:46
Swordsage has more available skill points, which could ease that INT burden some.

But then you can't get into Suel Arcanamach, which requires +6 BAB.
#6
innabinder
Oct 24, 2008 8:47:09 With Fractional BAB, Bard 1/Factotum 1/Crusader 5/SuelArch 4/SCh 1/JPM 8 is another option to reduce MAD. That, or find a way to squeeze Virtuoso in there with a level of Sorc. Sublime Chord seems mandatory.
#7
Omen_of_Peace
Oct 24, 2008 9:20:21 But SC 1/JPM 8 does not get you 9th level spells (JPM loses two spellcasting levels).
#8
hogarth
Oct 24, 2008 9:26:15
But SC 1/JPM 8 does not get you 9th level spells (JPM loses two spellcasting levels).

I told you I don't know much about Bo9S. :D
#9
phaedrusxy
Oct 24, 2008 11:41:49 You could probably do this with retraining cheese.
#10
endalia
Oct 24, 2008 11:55:11 What I mostly wanted from 10 JPM is emerald imolation and since that counts as a ninth level spell, I've talked my DM into allowing me to research it as a ninth level spell. And I talked my DM into changing the levels where JPM loses caster levels into first and ninth level. That makes this build possible:

Martial Adept 1/Wizard 3/Abjurant Champion 5/JPM 8/Major Bloodline 3. That gives me a CL 18, IL 16 and BAB 15. That fits my goals close enough.

Thanks for the help guys
#11
hogarth
Oct 24, 2008 12:00:47 But the major bloodline won't help you cast 9th level spells -- it just increases your caster level, it doesn't give you additional levels of spellcasting.
#12
Omen_of_Peace
Oct 24, 2008 14:54:18 Unless abused in weird ways, Bloodlines are pretty weak.

I recommend the classical Wizard 5/Martial Artist 1/JPM 10/AC 4 (or JPM 9/AC 5). You get BAB +16 or +17 and 9th level spells but your IL is 15.
#13
endalia
Oct 24, 2008 15:02:50
Unless abused in weird ways, Bloodlines are pretty weak.

I recommend the classical Wizard 5/Martial Artist 1/JPM 10/AC 4 (or JPM 9/AC 5). You get BAB +16 or +17 and 9th level spells but your IL is 15.

Now that one works even better! Thanks for that build!

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 endalia Oct 24, 2008 4:44:33	Does anyone have an idea of how to accomplish this? Bloodlines are ok. I do however want 10 JPM in the build if it's possible. I've got one build that gives you 16 BAB, 17 CL and 17 IL, but I can't really make it work level by level. Warblade 1/Wizard 1/Abjurant Champion 5/ JPM 10/Major Bloodline 3. The problem is that you can't reach any of the PrC's with this build if you level it, and as such it doesn't work. So please, some help.
#2 hogarth Oct 24, 2008 8:23:47	Hmmm...I don't know much about Bo9S, but how about something like Bard 1/martial class 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Sublime Chord 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 8? You might need a big Int score to get all of the necessary skils, though!
#3 innabinder Oct 24, 2008 8:27:03	Hmmm...I don't know much about Bo9S, but how about something like Bard 1/Warblade 6/Suel Arcanamach 4/Sublime Chord 1/Jade Phoenix Mage 8? You might need a big Int score to get all of the necessary skils, though! Swordsage has more available skill points, which could ease that INT burden some.
#4 Omen_of_Peace Oct 24, 2008 8:29:21	- 9th level spells => at most 3 levels that don't progress casting - 9th level maneuvers => at most 6 levels that don't progress IL so without Bloodlines you must have 11 levels that progress both casting and IL... not possible. And if you want a martial class dip AND 10 JPM levels you've already lost 3 spellcasting levels... so you can't fit a bloodline in there. The only two solutions I can think of are: 1) abuse a Kobold with the Draconic Rite and the Lore susbstitution from Dragons of Eberron (you end with 3 free sorcerer levels) - but it's rather cheesy. 2) change JPM to a manifesting progression (shouldn't be too hard), and use Ardent as a base. With Practiced Manifester you should get 9th level powers. (But the build might end up worse than a wizard one without 9th level spells.) edit: and of course I forgot about Sublime Chord... that could work. edit2: actually SC gets 9th level spells with 9 levels of spellcasting... JPM will make this not so easy to get.
#5 hogarth Oct 24, 2008 8:29:46	Swordsage has more available skill points, which could ease that INT burden some. But then you can't get into Suel Arcanamach, which requires +6 BAB.
#6 innabinder Oct 24, 2008 8:47:09	With Fractional BAB, Bard 1/Factotum 1/Crusader 5/SuelArch 4/SCh 1/JPM 8 is another option to reduce MAD. That, or find a way to squeeze Virtuoso in there with a level of Sorc. Sublime Chord seems mandatory.
#7 Omen_of_Peace Oct 24, 2008 9:20:21	But SC 1/JPM 8 does not get you 9th level spells (JPM loses two spellcasting levels).
#8 hogarth Oct 24, 2008 9:26:15	But SC 1/JPM 8 does not get you 9th level spells (JPM loses two spellcasting levels). I told you I don't know much about Bo9S. :D
#9 phaedrusxy Oct 24, 2008 11:41:49	You could probably do this with retraining cheese.
#10 endalia Oct 24, 2008 11:55:11	What I mostly wanted from 10 JPM is emerald imolation and since that counts as a ninth level spell, I've talked my DM into allowing me to research it as a ninth level spell. And I talked my DM into changing the levels where JPM loses caster levels into first and ninth level. That makes this build possible: Martial Adept 1/Wizard 3/Abjurant Champion 5/JPM 8/Major Bloodline 3. That gives me a CL 18, IL 16 and BAB 15. That fits my goals close enough. Thanks for the help guys
#11 hogarth Oct 24, 2008 12:00:47	But the major bloodline won't help you cast 9th level spells -- it just increases your caster level, it doesn't give you additional levels of spellcasting.
#12 Omen_of_Peace Oct 24, 2008 14:54:18	Unless abused in weird ways, Bloodlines are pretty weak. I recommend the classical Wizard 5/Martial Artist 1/JPM 10/AC 4 (or JPM 9/AC 5). You get BAB +16 or +17 and 9th level spells but your IL is 15.
#13 endalia Oct 24, 2008 15:02:50	Unless abused in weird ways, Bloodlines are pretty weak. I recommend the classical Wizard 5/Martial Artist 1/JPM 10/AC 4 (or JPM 9/AC 5). You get BAB +16 or +17 and 9th level spells but your IL is 15. Now that one works even better! Thanks for that build!