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#1 xelsior_dup Mar 15, 2008 12:43:03	The challenge in itself is to make a build able to withstand a PC Cleric + PC Druid optimized build which might be assisted by another PC. The build should be able to withstand an attack without buffs, but should be expected to have an ally in form of another PC. Also should be able to handle adventuring through the Abyss, main opponents will be devils. The Opponents(nonegood) Cleric Soulfire armor, prot from evil aswell on a ring... Divine metamagic quicken, with 2 slay living first round, also Freedom of Movement due to travel domain. Druid Shapeshifting druid with also a slay living spell in form of drowning.. Potential prot from evil. using constrictor snake and shapeshifts to polar bear.He also summons alot.
#2 absinken Mar 16, 2008 5:18:19	Anti-Devils? Hellbreaker, from Fiendish Codex II. First thing that comes to mind.
#3 xelsior_dup Mar 16, 2008 10:49:26	the hellraiser looks cool, but wouldn't he be weak to the druid/cleric?
#4 juton Mar 16, 2008 13:28:31	Golem with Initiator Levels (Book of Nine Swords)?
#5 aftercrescent Mar 16, 2008 13:38:53	Whatever it is, give it a ring of parting prevented from Expedition to Ravenloft. That'll take care of the slay living.
#6 callen Mar 16, 2008 13:46:55	What level? My quick thought was an initiator gish with anti-magic shell, perhaps using some lockdown techniques to keep opponents within the shell so they can't escape would work. But I'd have to know a level to see if any of this is possible. Chris
#7 absinken Mar 16, 2008 17:23:53	the hellraiser looks cool, but wouldn't he be weak to the druid/cleric? Well, it kind of depends on the situation that everything happens in. If you're within 20' of them, they'll find it very difficult to cast anything. Especially since they're both divine based. If they do go hostile, you'll be able to hide, right in front of their eyes in any kind of darkness. Also, when you're high enough level, you'll be able to steal the druid's wild shape ability. Thus gaining a use yourself, while preventing a use from the druid. You'll also be able to foil any summoning, from either of them. So it's not like they'll be able to get anything out to help against you. This PrC won't be everything you need, as you'll need a few feats to help against casters. There's a few lock down feats that should help and prevent them from casting. Also, items will be a good help. Other than all of that, it still maintains the anti-devil theme you mentioned.
#8 drakinar Mar 16, 2008 21:15:45	crusader 3 / psion 4 / warforged juggernaut 5 / slayer 8 Immune to basically everything but straight HP damage with fun things like repair construct: psionic, and empathic transfer hostile. You've got a manifester level of 11 (15 with improved manifestation) and maneuvers to boot.
#9 xelsior_dup Mar 16, 2008 23:32:00	Sorry forgot the most essential its lvl 10. Thanks for all advice so far
#10 xelsior_dup Mar 16, 2008 23:36:06	crusader 3 / psion 4 / warforged juggernaut 5 / slayer 8 Immune to basically everything but straight HP damage with fun things like repair construct: psionic, and empathic transfer hostile. You've got a manifester level of 11 (15 with improved manifestation) and maneuvers to boot. The DM won't allow that build due its from Eberron and also psionic, sadly-love Eberron myself.
#11 xelsior_dup Mar 17, 2008 19:09:00	Well, it kind of depends on the situation that everything happens in. If you're within 20' of them, they'll find it very difficult to cast anything. Especially since they're both divine based. If they do go hostile, you'll be able to hide, right in front of their eyes in any kind of darkness. Also, when you're high enough level, you'll be able to steal the druid's wild shape ability. Thus gaining a use yourself, while preventing a use from the druid. You'll also be able to foil any summoning, from either of them. So it's not like they'll be able to get anything out to help against you. This PrC won't be everything you need, as you'll need a few feats to help against casters. There's a few lock down feats that should help and prevent them from casting. Also, items will be a good help. Other than all of that, it still maintains the anti-devil theme you mentioned. Well only issue I see there is that the ability only work on Divination spells, but which feat would you suggest?

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xelsior_dup

Mar 15, 2008 12:43:03

The challenge in itself is to make a build able to withstand a PC Cleric + PC Druid optimized build which might be assisted by another PC. The build should be able to withstand an attack without buffs, but should be expected to have an ally in form of another PC.

Also should be able to handle adventuring through the Abyss, main opponents will be devils.

The Opponents(nonegood)

Cleric
Soulfire armor, prot from evil aswell on a ring...
Divine metamagic quicken, with 2 slay living first round, also Freedom of Movement due to travel domain.

Druid
Shapeshifting druid with also a slay living spell in form of drowning.. Potential prot from evil. using constrictor snake and shapeshifts to polar bear.He also summons alot.

absinken

Mar 16, 2008 5:18:19

Anti-Devils? Hellbreaker, from Fiendish Codex II.

First thing that comes to mind.

xelsior_dup

Mar 16, 2008 10:49:26

the hellraiser looks cool, but wouldn't he be weak to the druid/cleric?

juton

Mar 16, 2008 13:28:31

Golem with Initiator Levels (Book of Nine Swords)?

aftercrescent

Mar 16, 2008 13:38:53

Whatever it is, give it a ring of parting prevented from Expedition to Ravenloft. That'll take care of the slay living.

callen

Mar 16, 2008 13:46:55

What level? My quick thought was an initiator gish with anti-magic shell, perhaps using some lockdown techniques to keep opponents within the shell so they can't escape would work. But I'd have to know a level to see if any of this is possible.

Chris

absinken

Mar 16, 2008 17:23:53

the hellraiser looks cool, but wouldn't he be weak to the druid/cleric?

Well, it kind of depends on the situation that everything happens in.

If you're within 20' of them, they'll find it very difficult to cast anything. Especially since they're both divine based.

If they do go hostile, you'll be able to hide, right in front of their eyes in any kind of darkness. Also, when you're high enough level, you'll be able to steal the druid's wild shape ability. Thus gaining a use yourself, while preventing a use from the druid.

You'll also be able to foil any summoning, from either of them. So it's not like they'll be able to get anything out to help against you.

This PrC won't be everything you need, as you'll need a few feats to help against casters. There's a few lock down feats that should help and prevent them from casting. Also, items will be a good help.

Other than all of that, it still maintains the anti-devil theme you mentioned.

drakinar

Mar 16, 2008 21:15:45

crusader 3 / psion 4 / warforged juggernaut 5 / slayer 8

Immune to basically everything but straight HP damage with fun things like repair construct: psionic, and empathic transfer hostile. You've got a manifester level of 11 (15 with improved manifestation) and maneuvers to boot.

xelsior_dup

Mar 16, 2008 23:32:00

Sorry forgot the most essential its lvl 10.
Thanks for all advice so far

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xelsior_dup

Mar 16, 2008 23:36:06

crusader 3 / psion 4 / warforged juggernaut 5 / slayer 8

Immune to basically everything but straight HP damage with fun things like repair construct: psionic, and empathic transfer hostile. You've got a manifester level of 11 (15 with improved manifestation) and maneuvers to boot.

The DM won't allow that build due its from Eberron and also psionic, sadly-love Eberron myself.

#11

xelsior_dup

Mar 17, 2008 19:09:00

Well, it kind of depends on the situation that everything happens in.

If you're within 20' of them, they'll find it very difficult to cast anything. Especially since they're both divine based.

If they do go hostile, you'll be able to hide, right in front of their eyes in any kind of darkness. Also, when you're high enough level, you'll be able to steal the druid's wild shape ability. Thus gaining a use yourself, while preventing a use from the druid.

You'll also be able to foil any summoning, from either of them. So it's not like they'll be able to get anything out to help against you.

This PrC won't be everything you need, as you'll need a few feats to help against casters. There's a few lock down feats that should help and prevent them from casting. Also, items will be a good help.

Other than all of that, it still maintains the anti-devil theme you mentioned.

Well only issue I see there is that the ability only work on Divination spells, but which feat would you suggest?