Hey guys! I'm working on a kineticist psion build for a level 20 character.
Be advised that kineticists look like they're all about damage, but have to learn to branch outside of that for the higher levels since even a kineticist will have problems keeping up with monster HP. Also, are you going full kineticist, or are you prestige classing out? (With only, I think, two exceptions, every psionic PrC costs at least one manifester level, which really hurts how your powers develop. One of the exceptions is the Anarchic Initiate, which despite being badly designed might actually be one of the things that helps a kineticist...)
I'll post up a build later after I run a few things by the DM regarding learning powers outside of my discipline...
Um... if he's forcing you to learn only psychokinesis powers, he should probably be smacked around a bit with a large trout. The default with psions is to choose from the entire psion/wilder list (regardless of discipline), plus whatever powers are on your discipline list. (There are two definitions of the word "discipline" in psionics; the old psi boards used to call the specialist lists "devotions" as a way of distinguishing them from the "school of magic" analogue.)
...but for now I have a question regarding telekinetic thrust (I've been looking for ways around saves, spell resist and anti-magic). If I hurl 20 projectiles at an enemy, would each projectile gain the benefit of Psionic Shot or Wounding Attack?
No. Those feats apply to a single ranged damage (Psionic Shot) or attack (Wounding Attack) roll, while TK Thrust throws several such effects.
If it helps, here's an illustration. You CAN do things like use Fell Shot on Manyshot (so all the arrows fired use a single, touch attack), but you CAN'T do things like use Greater Psionic Shot on the arrows from Manyshot (since each arrow is a separate damage roll).
If you want TK Thrust to be absolutely killer, use TK Thrust to throw a big pile of ammunition (arrows, bolts, sling bullets, shuriken, or actual bullets (if firearms are involved)). These are magically enhanced at 50 for the price of one. You want the ones you throw to either be Spell Storing / Power Storing, or Bane. Spell Storing ammo can be loaded up in advance and then used to offload as many spells at the target as projectiles you can throw, all at once (assuming you can hit their normal AC, that's a huge action advantage). Bane works best if you've got an artificer on the team who can quickly whip it up to match whatever enemy type you're fighting, but that adds +2 to each attack roll and causes the projectiles to deal an extra 2d6 damage on hit (again, this adds up reall fast). And while you're enhancing arrows, you can also be cheap and get a quiver of Manifester arrows. That gives you fifty hits of five power points, which helps you a lot if you need to manifest basic powers of level 3 or less.
Expending my focus and my crystals focus to tack Fell Shot onto either of those damage bonuses could pack a wallop, but it is rather feat intensive so I don't want to commit to this idea if it isn't as great as it seems it could be.
Fell Shot also won't work for reasons I mentioned above.
If you're looking for something else to consider for this, just look into ways of raising your manifester level. Overchannel is the basic feat for this for psions; anarchic initiate is a way of getting Wild Surge as a psion instead of having to be a wilder, and so on. Often that'll be all you need.
I'm not restricted to using Kineticist powers only, I just have to see if chirurgery/borrowing powers from followers will be permitted (probably not) before deciding what to all take. The general plan is to have 1 or 2 save-or-dies, a few powers for blasting like crystal shard/burst and tornado blast, the usual buffing stuff and then as much battlefield control/death prevention stuff as possible. I'll take a look through the FAQ and try to get a build up to be critiqued sometime today or tomorrow. Thanks!
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The Pyro part can be Sono or Electro, via wizards.com Mind's Eye goodies.
the schism'd part is 1 ml, Prac Manifester boosts
the main mind 0, the schism'd part is +4=5 ml.
Schism'd part can "expend focus" with it's action,
but refocus requires a Full Round, schism'd part
can't do this, or Psi Meditation feat can do it with
a Move, schism'd part can't do that either.
Fell Shot on TK Thrust ... is an interesting idea.
Much more likely to hit on the attack, but still has
the normal Will Saves. I haven't run the maths,
and don't recall anyone else doing them. I'll
hazard a guess, that since a Touch Attack verges
on auto-hit, it'd be a long term neutral. Try it.
I forget what happens when a magic rock goes into
an AMF. Maybe it hits me on the head - iirc.
Schism is pretty awesome but after seeing the amount of power points you can use up in a single round I decided to drop it as well, also factoring in that I'm trying to stay in line with the rest of the group and not explode things constantly. The second point was more of a factor than the first
One workaround I found for keeping psifocus up consistently if you do want to unload a lot of damage fast is using the Belt of Battle, single charge gives you an extra move = regaining focus. If you don't mind burning up additional power points theres also the option of using Hustle for an extra move action as well.
As for Schism, don't take it on a psyrogue for manifesting. If you're considering it, look up the Always on Edge build in my signature. There, Schism is used to power the Deft Strike feat (takes a standard mental action to perform, and look what Schism provides). It's not as powerful as say, slotted wands of wraithstrike, but it's available even when cheese like that is banned.
On a pure psion, Schism it's powerful, but often not quite worth the cost of the feat since it comes online next round and you have to spend feats to make up for its lost MLs. I usually find more mileage out of Anticipatory Strike and/or Temporal Acceleration, depending on what I'm doing, but for a kineticist...
I think you are confusing this thread with the other psion one which was about a psyrogue, im playing a level 20 psion;).
Fixed. And added some other notes on Schism.
Dorje of Hustle is a good call though, I'll definitely pick one up.
Issue here is that it's not actually a psion power. It's an egoist power or a psychic warrior power. You'll need Use Psionic Device to trigger it - and that's not a kineticist class skill but rather a shaper's.
You might just be able to make a psion who doesn't bother with expenditures, or won't need them more than once. For instance, my shaper has no maintain-focus effects and one expend-focus effect (the Personal Construct alternative class feature - manifest Astral Construct as a swift action, but the specific construct you create is fixed each time you gain a level.).
On the subject of wands, what kind of stuff would be a good idea to pick up on some Eternal Wands? I have some leftover gp to spend still, was thinking of getting (can't remember exact name) that item that negates 12 death attacks then is consumed, believe it is 36k, and then spending the remainder on some wands.
I'm universally a fan of Heroics in eternal wands (gain a fighter feat for which you qualify, lasts half an hour), but that's less useful for mage-types or psions.
==Aelryinth
. I didn't really want to spare the feat to negate some of Schisms penalty, thats another good point Tempest. I've got Temporal Acceleration which really is all the extra actions I need- although if you were to use Schism while under the effect of TA would it not be available for use when you drop out of TA? Regardless, I don't plan to use it but I am curious on that point.
For Eternal Wands I found this thread www.giantitp.com/forums/showthread.php?t...