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a question about uncanny forethought

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#1
davidwl
Apr 30, 2008 1:00:43 The obvious application is wizard 20.

The almost obvious application would be something like wizard 1/archivist 2/mystic theurge ...

However, could I somehow qualify for it without levels in Wizard? Example:
Factotum 11/Chameleon 9 .... could this character take uncanny forethought?

The problem is that it has spell mastery as a prerequisite, and that requires Wizard 1.

Any solutions?

Best,
David
#2
logicninja
Apr 30, 2008 1:17:14
Any solutions?

Best,
David

Take Wizard 1.

Factotum 8/Chameleon 10/Wizard 1/Cleric 1, say, is perfectly viable.
#3
davidwl
Apr 30, 2008 1:29:59 I'm really asking because of my "ultimate multi-threat" thread/build.

I don't want to have to give up class levels.

Best,
David
#4
auorix_dup
Apr 30, 2008 11:41:50 Is this feat pretty redundant with alacritous cogitation? I guess the only reason to have both would be to use the AC feat to pull any spell without the CL reduction but cant see any other reason than that.

Whens a sweet spot for getting uncanny forethought? If retraining is available, it should be anytime I think, cause you can just retrain your spell mastery as you gain levels and int mod increases.

Any thoughts?
#5
davidwl
May 01, 2008 0:42:23
Is this feat pretty redundant with alacritous cogitation? I guess the only reason to have both would be to use the AC feat to pull any spell without the CL reduction but cant see any other reason than that.

Uncanny forethought will work Int bonus times per day (should easily get to 10+ for a wizard). Alacritous cogitation will only work once per day.

Whens a sweet spot for getting uncanny forethought? If retraining is available, it should be anytime I think, cause you can just retrain your spell mastery as you gain levels and int mod increases.

It is probably a function of when you have many cool spells you wish you could prepare, but don't have the slots to prepare (or you think you'd have the wrong allocation). If you literally only get 2 spells per wizard level, possibly never. If you end up learning quite a good number of great spells, possibly as early as 1st level.

I suspect that I would target 5th or 6th level, assuming a fair amount of spell acquisition.

Best,
David
#6
auorix_dup
May 05, 2008 12:20:41 I guess since my char has AC right now it would be a good retrain for uncanny forethought if allowed...of course will have to squeeze spell mastery in there somewhere first.

I see it as a all around better choice than AC, justified by more pre-reqs.

Anyone have any personal uses of UF to share? What level they got it at, spells they used for spell mastery...etc?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 davidwl Apr 30, 2008 1:00:43	The obvious application is wizard 20. The almost obvious application would be something like wizard 1/archivist 2/mystic theurge ... However, could I somehow qualify for it without levels in Wizard? Example: Factotum 11/Chameleon 9 .... could this character take uncanny forethought? The problem is that it has spell mastery as a prerequisite, and that requires Wizard 1. Any solutions? Best, David
#2 logicninja Apr 30, 2008 1:17:14	Any solutions? Best, David Take Wizard 1. Factotum 8/Chameleon 10/Wizard 1/Cleric 1, say, is perfectly viable.
#3 davidwl Apr 30, 2008 1:29:59	I'm really asking because of my "ultimate multi-threat" thread/build. I don't want to have to give up class levels. Best, David
#4 auorix_dup Apr 30, 2008 11:41:50	Is this feat pretty redundant with alacritous cogitation? I guess the only reason to have both would be to use the AC feat to pull any spell without the CL reduction but cant see any other reason than that. Whens a sweet spot for getting uncanny forethought? If retraining is available, it should be anytime I think, cause you can just retrain your spell mastery as you gain levels and int mod increases. Any thoughts?
#5 davidwl May 01, 2008 0:42:23	Is this feat pretty redundant with alacritous cogitation? I guess the only reason to have both would be to use the AC feat to pull any spell without the CL reduction but cant see any other reason than that. Uncanny forethought will work Int bonus times per day (should easily get to 10+ for a wizard). Alacritous cogitation will only work once per day. Whens a sweet spot for getting uncanny forethought? If retraining is available, it should be anytime I think, cause you can just retrain your spell mastery as you gain levels and int mod increases. It is probably a function of when you have many cool spells you wish you could prepare, but don't have the slots to prepare (or you think you'd have the wrong allocation). If you literally only get 2 spells per wizard level, possibly never. If you end up learning quite a good number of great spells, possibly as early as 1st level. I suspect that I would target 5th or 6th level, assuming a fair amount of spell acquisition. Best, David
#6 auorix_dup May 05, 2008 12:20:41	I guess since my char has AC right now it would be a good retrain for uncanny forethought if allowed...of course will have to squeeze spell mastery in there somewhere first. I see it as a all around better choice than AC, justified by more pre-reqs. Anyone have any personal uses of UF to share? What level they got it at, spells they used for spell mastery...etc?