Abruptly Striking Wizard Gish

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#1

hijaxx

Aug 02, 2009 14:05:12
specialist conjurer 3/warblade 4/teflammar shadowlord 3/swiftblade 10

above is just a quick outline, ill work more on it later.
idea: using abrupt jaunt(phb II) wizard alternate class feature combined with shadowlord's shadowpounce, to get full attacks as an immediate action.
swiftblade, time stands still, etc etc.
#2

Balthanon

Aug 02, 2009 15:00:44
The build is missing Shadow Pounce. (It comes in at 4th level Telflammar Shadowlord.) You're also missing prerequisites-- haste is a 3rd level spell, assuming you're taking some of the swiftblade first. And you don't have the required skills for Telflammar Shadowlord unless you're picking them up through feats.

You might also want to toss in some of the Shadow Jaunt/Stride/Blink maneuvers since you have warblade levels and they have no prerequisites.
#3

hijaxx

Aug 02, 2009 15:18:56
ah, thanks. im away from some of my books, so i couldn't check.
what about something like specialist conjurer 3/feat rogue 1/Warblade 6/TSL 4/swiftblade 6
we qualifi for swiftblade by virtue of the dragonsblood pool(CM) and sanctum spell.
im away from ToB, which of those teleport maneuvers would i qualify for with this build?
#4

endalia

Aug 02, 2009 15:41:02
By level 20, all of them I believe. You're IL is ((3+1+4+6)/2)+6=13, which gives you 7th level maneuvers, and I believe Shadow Blink is a 7th level maneuver, but I could be wrong.
#5

Chosenofragnarok

Aug 02, 2009 18:14:14
Shadow manuvers are Swordsage not warblade
#6

Balthanon

Aug 02, 2009 22:04:05
Shadow manuvers are Swordsage not warblade

Martial Study allows a warblade to pick them up though.
#7

rebel7284

Aug 02, 2009 22:34:00
I think this needs more Jade Phoenix Mage.
#8

tehlivingdeath

Aug 03, 2009 0:42:27
Martial Study allows a warblade to pick them up though.

Sure, but one feat per maneuver? Swiftblade already requires two crappy feats (does TSL require any?), it'd be difficult to fit it all in. A swordsage dip would serve him better if he doesn't mind the worse recovery method.
#9

hijaxx

Aug 03, 2009 1:58:48
feat rogue 1/wizard 1/warblade 1/swordsage 5/chameleon 6/shadowlord 4/swordsage +2

general awesomeness, and we can cast a CL 12 polymorph into a hydra. 12 attacks as an immediate action! wait, moongoose strike! woot, 24 attacks!
#10

Weezel

Aug 03, 2009 2:17:49
feat rogue 1/wizard 1/warblade 1/swordsage 5/chameleon 6/shadowlord 4/swordsage +2

general awesomeness, and we can cast a CL 12 polymorph into a hydra. 12 attacks as an immediate action! wait, moongoose strike! woot, 24 attacks!

Raging mongoose has a max number of extra granted attacks. I believe it is 4 from memory. Also you can't use it with an immediate attack because it's a standard action to use the manouver.
#11

hijaxx

Aug 03, 2009 2:45:48
rats. well its still kinda good, if only for use during my own turn.
and, i cal still immediate pounce for 12 attacks.
#12

Endarire

Aug 05, 2009 0:35:02
Also, chameleon's features don't allow you to qualify for other stuff with them.
#13

hijaxx

Aug 05, 2009 2:37:29
oh. i thought it was just no advancing it. darn.
#14

Senevri

Aug 05, 2009 3:59:43
Also you can't use it with an immediate attack because it's a standard action to use the manouver.

Not sure what you're referring to, but Mongooses are Boosts, and thus Swift actions. They don't usually work well with Strikes, though.
#15

Weezel

Aug 05, 2009 4:39:33
Not sure what you're referring to, but Mongooses are Boosts, and thus Swift actions. They don't usually work well with Strikes, though.

If you use an immediate action during your turn it counts as your swift action for that turn, so you can't use the boost and abrupt jaunt in the same attack.
#16

hijaxx

Aug 05, 2009 12:32:37
but i still cant use it with abrupt jaunt, since thats an immediate action and such eats my swift action. unless i take RKV.
#17

Endarire

Aug 07, 2009 0:49:25
If you use an immediate action on your turn, it normally counts as a swift action IF you have a swift action to spare.

Thus, use Raging/Dancing Mongoose THEN Abrupt Jaunt. You can do this at most every other round.
#18

Weezel

Aug 07, 2009 1:37:55
If you use an immediate action on your turn, it normally counts as a swift action IF you have a swift action to spare.

Thus, use Raging/Dancing Mongoose THEN Abrupt Jaunt. You can do this at most every other round.

Where do you find that ruling? All I remember reading is that using an immediate action during your turn counts as your swift action for that turn....
#19

Endarire

Aug 07, 2009 16:34:15
My apologies; I was mistaken. If you could somehow get Mongoose to last until the start of your next turn, you could Jaunt as an immediate action after your turn ended.