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Build:Illumian (Aeshnoon) [2 Flaws]
1. Wizard - Heighten Spell[Standard], Sanctum Spell[Flaw], Eschew Materials[Flaw]
2. Cleric
3. Wizard - Extra Slot[Standard]
Infinite Gold: Buy a scroll of "Flash to Salt" and a cow.
Cast the cow on the spell. No, -er, cast the spell on the cow.
Sell that ton of salt you have.
Profit.
*Thanks to *Unknown* for this trick
Relevant Equipment:
Nightsticks (LB), Prayer Bead (Karma)(DMG), Ring of Arcane Might(MIC), Robe of Arcane Might(MIC), Ambrosia(BoED), Terran Brandy(BoVD), Vial of the Last Gasp(CV), Ioun Stone(DMG), Agony(BoVD), Band of Spell Enanchment(RavenL)
*Thanks to Plys4mine. Without his Raising Caster Level index i would not have done this.
Raise:
9th Level Sanctum Spell: Thanks to the our Illumian Sigil we can Heighten our spells until level 9 sacrificing uses of turn undead granted from Nighsticks. Thanks to Sanctum Spell we can improve the level of the spell by 1, making them actually of level 10 (all this at level 1). Now, wait until level 3 and take Extra Slot to gain a 9th level spell slot.
*Thanks to Disposable_Hero for this trick (improved by AncientDragon)
Eschew Materials eXtreme Cheese: Thanks to Eschew Materials you can cast Ice Assassin without needing to get a "piece" of the person you're copying. This means that you can copy any person in the world.
Limitless Manifesting Capability: Duplicate a Psion 10/ Metamind 10 with Ice Assassin and order to the duplicate to fuse with you. Now manifest Schism and activate Source of Power. Once per round your schismed mind will ready a swift action: “Temporal Reitaration” and will manifest it before your next turn. This will grant you unlimited power points and all the effects affecting you will be permanent-like.
Limitless Self-Duplicating: Cast Ice Assassin on you, then ask to your duplicate to cast Ice Assassin on you to get a fresh clone (for “fresh clone” I mean a clone of yourself with all the daily uses of your abilities etc.)
Infinite Strenght: Cast Consumptive Field and Manifest (both you and one of your duplicates) Sanctum Affinity Field (out from your sanctum). Kill something in the Consumptive Field: the bonus will bounce between you two, giving both +infinite strength.
Infinite Stats: Duplicate a Void Disciple for each of your stats and have them to use Void Grant on you, once for each stat.
Limitless Time: Cast Temporal Acceleration. Thanks to Temporal Reitaration (always being manifested by your second mind) this effect will never end. This allows you to summon and fuse with every creature in the world without spending all your lifetime doing that.
Limitless Supernatural Casting: Duplicate a Any/Dweomerkeeper 4 with Ice Assassin and fuse with him. Now fresh clones will have supernatural casting ability.
All Spells, Feats, Monster/Race/Class Abilities: Duplicate anyone/anything and fuse with it, after using Shapechange to acquire the size and the type you need. Thanks to Temporal Reitaration all this effects are permanent-like. Thanks to Temporal Reitaration + Temporal Acceleration you don’t need more than a round to acquire every ability in the game.
NI Divine Rank:
Have a copy of yours casting Ice Assassin as Supernatural Ability, creating a god. Have the god giving us Divine Rank 1. Give the divine rank to a squirrell
[...Repeat NI times...]
Take back all your Divine Ranks from squirrells.
*Thanks to Khan the Destroyer for this trick
1. Wizard - Heighten Spell[Standard], Sanctum Spell[Flaw], Eschew Materials[Flaw]
2. Cleric
3. Wizard - Extra Slot[Standard]
Infinite Gold: Buy a scroll of "Flash to Salt" and a cow.
Cast the cow on the spell. No, -er, cast the spell on the cow.
Sell that ton of salt you have.
Profit.
*Thanks to *Unknown* for this trick
Relevant Equipment:
Nightsticks (LB), Prayer Bead (Karma)(DMG), Ring of Arcane Might(MIC), Robe of Arcane Might(MIC), Ambrosia(BoED), Terran Brandy(BoVD), Vial of the Last Gasp(CV), Ioun Stone(DMG), Agony(BoVD), Band of Spell Enanchment(RavenL)
*Thanks to Plys4mine. Without his Raising Caster Level index i would not have done this.
Raise:
9th Level Sanctum Spell: Thanks to the our Illumian Sigil we can Heighten our spells until level 9 sacrificing uses of turn undead granted from Nighsticks. Thanks to Sanctum Spell we can improve the level of the spell by 1, making them actually of level 10 (all this at level 1). Now, wait until level 3 and take Extra Slot to gain a 9th level spell slot.
*Thanks to Disposable_Hero for this trick (improved by AncientDragon)
Eschew Materials eXtreme Cheese: Thanks to Eschew Materials you can cast Ice Assassin without needing to get a "piece" of the person you're copying. This means that you can copy any person in the world.
Limitless Manifesting Capability: Duplicate a Psion 10/ Metamind 10 with Ice Assassin and order to the duplicate to fuse with you. Now manifest Schism and activate Source of Power. Once per round your schismed mind will ready a swift action: “Temporal Reitaration” and will manifest it before your next turn. This will grant you unlimited power points and all the effects affecting you will be permanent-like.
Limitless Self-Duplicating: Cast Ice Assassin on you, then ask to your duplicate to cast Ice Assassin on you to get a fresh clone (for “fresh clone” I mean a clone of yourself with all the daily uses of your abilities etc.)
Infinite Strenght: Cast Consumptive Field and Manifest (both you and one of your duplicates) Sanctum Affinity Field (out from your sanctum). Kill something in the Consumptive Field: the bonus will bounce between you two, giving both +infinite strength.
Infinite Stats: Duplicate a Void Disciple for each of your stats and have them to use Void Grant on you, once for each stat.
Limitless Time: Cast Temporal Acceleration. Thanks to Temporal Reitaration (always being manifested by your second mind) this effect will never end. This allows you to summon and fuse with every creature in the world without spending all your lifetime doing that.
Limitless Supernatural Casting: Duplicate a Any/Dweomerkeeper 4 with Ice Assassin and fuse with him. Now fresh clones will have supernatural casting ability.
All Spells, Feats, Monster/Race/Class Abilities: Duplicate anyone/anything and fuse with it, after using Shapechange to acquire the size and the type you need. Thanks to Temporal Reitaration all this effects are permanent-like. Thanks to Temporal Reitaration + Temporal Acceleration you don’t need more than a round to acquire every ability in the game.
NI Divine Rank:
Have a copy of yours casting Ice Assassin as Supernatural Ability, creating a god. Have the god giving us Divine Rank 1. Give the divine rank to a squirrell
[...Repeat NI times...]
Take back all your Divine Ranks from squirrells.
*Thanks to Khan the Destroyer for this trick
- Minor Tricks
These tricks may be used even from other builds than mine.- Immunity to Everything:
Thanks to Ocean Giant's Immunity, we're not affected by bludgeoning weapons.
Thanks to Zodars' Immunity, we're affected by no damage but the one coming from bludgeoning weapons -er, no damage.
Thanks to Zodar's Immunity, we're not affected by Sleep, paralisys, poison, stunning, subdual damage, mind-affecting abilities, death effects or necromantic effects.
Thanks to our DR we're not affected by Energy Drain, Ability Drain, Ability Damage
Plus, we're immortal. - Infinite Time:
Thanks to Temporal Accelleration and Temporal Reitaration, we may have an infinite amount of time for us - Endless Effects:
Thanks to Schism, Source of Power and Temporal Reitaration, effects affecting us may never end (this includes source of power -> Infinite power points)
- Immunity to Everything:
- Divine Tricks
These tricks are related to my NI DR- Living On Our Own:
Thanks to 10th level ability of Planeswalker we can get a demiplane.
Thanks to deities' ability to have an own divine realm, we can use our demiplane as divine realm.
Now we can manipulate an entire demiplane in every way we want. - Killing Everyone:
Thanks to Divine Splendor (name?) and NI DR, we can istantaneusly kill every mortal in the plane in wich we live. Plus, thanks to Annihilating Strike, we can kill everyone that we can hit. Plus, thanks to Life and Death, we can kill who we want. - Knowing Everything:
Thanks to Divine Recall we can recall any event we want to know.
- Living On Our Own:
2) A similar trick has been around for a long time which did it more elegantly, at lower level, and with fewer cohorts
3) Pun Pun never got killed in the first place
Asides from these points, you still get kudos on working out such a loop, it's always fun to read when it's obvious someone has put effort into something like this.
As a last point, I think your english has improved over the last post I read about one of your creations.
~Bowen
With the benefit of class of Erudite Convert to Spell Power, learn Gate
Try reading the rules next time. You can't learn ninth level spells until you have tenth level powers and you need ninth level powers to get those and you aren't getting ninth level powers nor epic leadership with
Erudite 8/Metamind 10/Any 2
1) Warforged still need rest to regain spells/powers etc.
This is not a problem, I don't need to regain my spells 'coz I've unlimited bonus spell.
2) A similar trick has been around for a long time which did it more elegantly, at lower level, and with fewer cohorts
You're... you really are talking about Pun-Pun? Aww men, he is THE pg, there's no matter to say that he's better :P
3) Pun Pun never got killed in the first place
Oh.. it seems that I've missed something. How did the Onmiscificer's story ended?
Asides from these points, you still get kudos on working out such a loop, it's always fun to read when it's obvious someone has put effort into something like this.
Thank you! What's a kudo?
As a last point, I think your english has improved over the last post I read about one of your creations.
Hihii... Thanks
@archerpwr: you're right, I've got wrong in both cases.
In the first, as you may see, my trick is not affected, 'coz it still works if we summon the Phanes with a Gate casted by our cohort.
In the second case I have to acquire Divine Rank and then use Divine Creation to create all the mortals I need and Fuse with them. As you see, still working :P
However, I'm very thankful to you for helping me having a completely legal character. I'll upload my first post.
Who is he:
Erudite 8/Metamind 10/Any 2
Feats: Leadership
Okay, so your number one character is a psionic one, but Consumptive field increases caster level. Are you sure it will effect manifester level as well? The same goes for other spells that give bonus to CL checks, such as Assay spell resistance...
Cohort1: Warforged Cleric 7/Disciple of the Vacuum 10
Source for the bolded PrC?
Immunity to All - Combination of Zodar and Ocean Giant.(FF, MM2)
Only immune to damage, not other harmful effect.
All Spells:
Fuse with Cohort1. Now you can cast 9th arcane, divine and psion.
With our NI stats modifiers we have NI spells bonus per day.
Wouldn't you still lack access to a great number of different spell lists, such as that of the Druid?
Are you sure it will effect manifester level as well?
No, it won't. But I don't care :P Why should I?
Source for the bolded PrC?
Complete Divine. I'm not sure of the name, 'cause I've got the italian version. May be... Disciple of the Void? Or Void Disciple?
Only immune to damage, not other harmful effect.
Ops. My bad. But I'm sure that NI DR will fix that.
Wouldn't you still lack access to a great number of different spell lists, such as that of the Druid?
I can Create a Druid and then Fuse with him.
Edit: Thanks Arcane-Sourge, you're right.
Oh.. it seems that I've missed something. How did the Onmiscificer's story ended?
Well, the Omniscificer came about when Pun-pun required being level 5 to pull off his ascension, and the Omniscificer beating him to the punch at lvl3. However, the most recent builds have Pun-Pun using horrible horrible gate cheese to get it off at LEVEL 1, meaning Omniscificer never gets a chance to stop him in the first place. Sad, really, as I liked the dynamic.
Thank you! What's a kudo?
I believe it's one of these things.
... }Pun-pun at level 5 was the early settle line.
Omni came in at level 4.
Pun-pun at level 1, kicks in around the 1/2 way point of that thread.
HIVE Tsuyo's version, plus Big Guy Is With Me psly4mne's version takes less time.
Pun-pun at level 1, get's "outed" around the 2/3 way point in that thread.
Tleilaxu_Ghola says it's DM Fiat. I say it's 3 value logic + Blood Queen + happy pazuzu.
Lot's of true believers ignore the last three lines, cuz pazuzu said so ... ;)
Detente.
psly4mne's Monty has gone to the White Screen Of Death, unless someone can find it. Or he re-posts it.
T_G had his Terminator, and Neo-Terminator, and then said it didn't work. I'm not so sure.
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Anything that gets close, is really good stuff.
Pun (or whatever) is strong enough to handle a well worded contingency, allowing the appearance of co-infinites.
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No new v3.5 material is coming out, except for the occasional errata file, but even there they won't get the wording perfect, and we will all still be in business. Aleph One hasn't been done. Post-Ascended Pun defeater hasn't been done. I'm not sure which would be more difficult to ~prove to the now diminished, dispersed CO and TO crowd. Dragon mag has been yanked from Paizo and is now officially official including backdating it. We ain't done yet !!
:coolcthul
Just this:
Anything that gets close, is really good stuff.
I think means I did something good. Thanks.
Also, ADMG forgot my Shaedling trick on his list. (Though he got my HIVE, which I'm shocked anyone remembers.)
Not really, because as far as I know archr's earlier point stands.
Which one? I thinked I had fix them both.
Also, ADMG forgot my Shaedling trick on his list. (Though he got my HIVE, which I'm shocked anyone remembers.)
Ah... I remember HIVE, but I don't think I've seen Shaedling. Link?
HIVE
Also, ADMG forgot my Shaedling trick on his list. (Though he got my HIVE, which I'm shocked anyone remembers.)
C'mon "T" , infinite knowledge checks don't get forgotten that easily.
Even T_G and psly4mne remembered it on the pun-pun thread.
{ ... insert minor prompting from aDMg smiley face ... }
To involve you specifically in one of my nefarious schemes ... :evillaugh
I can't make up my mind about Shaedling vs. Dire Turtle for something very evil ??
∑in(t)f(i)
Yeah. I think so. I see Sigma Jargon's hive, but not tsuyoshikentsu's one. However, this makes me think that now I'm in the number of the ascended ones? Ok, do not answer to this. I'll just continue thinking it happily ever after.
@archerpwr: you're right, I've got wrong in both cases.
In the first, as you may see, my trick is not affected, 'coz it still works if we summon the Phanes with a Gate casted by our cohort.
Looks like your cohort can't cast gate either, unless you've some trick I've never seen. Wiz7/VD10 only has casting as a 13th level Wizard. Just use candles of invocation, so much cleaner.
But this would lead to a finite number of gates... I need another cohort. Thanks for making me look at this.
Eh, there are so many ways to break the economy it's almost trivial to mention, but I'll give you one: flesh to salt some cows.
Shaedling... look, just go look at MMIV. Or V, whichever it's in. You'll notice its ability is in no way restricted by value or magical ability, only weight. This + custom magic items = zero to Pun-Pun in less than six seconds.
IE: If it can't ascend in the round after hitting level 7, any Wizard in the universe can kill you in about one round by polymorhping into a shaedling and making a ring of infinite power.
@AD: to really become immune to everything you need Aleax trickery like Pun-Pun used - overwise there'll be an exception to your immunities somewhere (say Searing Spell for instance).
@Omen: Thanks for the tip, I'm going to see what actualy Aleax is. But I'm trying to copying nothing from other builds... But I didn't get what you said about Searing Spell... Furthermore, I've NI hp, so I don't care about damage itself :P
edit: and sadly DisposableHero's trick doesn't work as is - you need CL 17 to cast Miracle as a cleric. See PHB p171 under Caster Level. With enough trickery you can probably make it work though (Strand of Prayer Beads, etc...)
That's a ridiculous test. Why not use Pazuzu + Candle of Invocation as the level threshold while you're at it ? Or heck, no Candle, just Pazuzu's wish to be polymorphed into a Shaedling.
Pazuzu is completely dependent on GM fiat. Core + Shaedling, any wizard in the game can do this, no ifs, ands, or buts. Although really, you could do this at level 4 by buying a scroll and taking Arcane Mastery.
Tsuyo, you might want to see the last update in my first post. Hell yeah, it's level six. Shaedling test passed, unless i've said kickeries...
Assuming the above concern is addressed, I concede. Note that it still loses to a level 4 Wizard with Arcane Mastery and a scroll, however.
It takes 1 standard action to reclaim one divine rank, so to reclaim your infinite divine ranks, well, won't that take you forever?
[Has anyone stat'ed up a swarm of squirrel gods yet? With the number of builds on here that seem to create them as a matter of course, I'd imagine I'm unlikley to be the first one to think of it.]
@Tsuyo: Thanks. Ok, maybe it STILL not perfect, but who is (pun-pun excluded)? I'll see if a can lower the level again.
@Toasted: And what happens if a great black hole opens in the middle of the univers and eats you? :P
Pazuzu is completely dependent on GM fiat. Core + Shaedling, any wizard in the game can do this, no ifs, ands, or buts. Although really, you could do this at level 4 by buying a scroll and taking Arcane Mastery.
Right, cause Shaedling isn't DM-dependent. Its ability can't be interpreted more restrictively within RAW to, say, be limited to non-magical items...
@Toasted: And what happens if a great black hole opens in the middle of the univers and eats you? :P
Diffrence: You arnt creating a giant black hole, whereas you are creating a giant angry mob of godly rodents.....
I mean sure, you have infinite hp but you also have infinite rodents doing damage...
Uuuuh seems that I went down to third level! Tsuuuyoooo...
Hey, I was satisfied at 6. Getting a scroll of Polymorph at that level is pretty fiat-heavy too.
Right, cause Shaedling isn't DM-dependent. Its ability can't be interpreted more restrictively within RAW to, say, be limited to non-magical items...
There's no point to posting any more on this topic if you want to discuss this with me. I consider the notion that magic items aren't items ludicrous, having no textual support. Therefore, it works.
There's no point to posting any more on this topic if you want to discuss this with me.
Fair enough - I won't.
@AD: two remarks
- isn't a lot of your stuff "only" permanent (due to Temporally Reiterated effects) ? I.e. if someone swoops in with a Disjunction all your Fusions go away (now it'd be hard for someone to reach you alive after the ascension is complete, but still).
- you really need the blanket immunities from Aleax (if you just enumerate immunities there'll always be some way to bypass them). For instance, as far as I can't tell you don't have NI HDs which means something like a Supernatural Holy Word can kill you (very high CL is trivial to reach, in epic in particular).
- Edit: No 8D
The deity can render a magical or supernatural effect permanent.
We'll do it, abviously.
-Well, I saw Aleax and I don't find anything so exciting... Why are you saying that? For example, isn't Supernatural Holy Word a necromantic or a death effect? Would the Aleax be immune to it? And would the Zodar?
First, thanks for your points.
- Edit: No 8D We'll do it, abviously.
A Permanent effect can still be dispelled/disjuncted.
The point is also to make your Ascension more solid (in case a god swoops in and decides to toy with you).
-Well, I saw Aleax and I don't find anything so exciting... Why are you saying that? For example, isn't Supernatural Holy Word a necromantic or a death effect? Would the Aleax be immune to it? And would the Zodar?
Because the Aleax's blanket immunities are better than enumerated immunities. And no, Holy Word is not necromantic (it's an evocation), nor a death effect (no death descriptor) - that's the beauty of it. Now, you can actually use things like Silence to protect yourself from it but it's subject to disjunction a pointed out above... and the whole point is to not have to counter threats one by one as they arise. :D
I: I can cast any spell
II: I can cunterspell as Free Action (Instant Cunterpell)
III: I can suxceed any Skill Checkthanks to infinite stats
=> I Can cunterspell instantaneusly every spell, suxceeding automatically
So in a fight I'm indisjunctable.
But you're point is still valid due to the fact that they could kill me while I'm sleeping. No, I don't sleep. But they could take when I'm thinking to something else. An army made by clones of myself would ensure that I can regain my powers, but you made me think about it. Do you know anything, maybe artifacts, that makes you immune to disjunction?
Spellguard! That's the sword enhancement!
Supernatural abilities can't be counterspelled so that's not the answer. But with NI divine ranks you can really do whatever you like - the point again is to secure the Ascension process.
Epic spells can make you immune to Disjunction and that's about it.
EDIT: Well, you'll be dealing with a level 192 Sorcerer at either level 3 or 1. But that rests on some rather shaky rules assumptions.
Can I cast Epic spells? However, about securing the Ascension Process: actually, at this level, only PunPun or Pun-Pun-Like character may hurt me, so I think I'm pretty safe. Am I?
I seem to remember part of Pun-Pun's setup was to prevent the gods from interfering, so they would either kill a puny kobold or be unable to do anything. I could be wrong.
Edit: Sorry for being rude also... good job on this!
Sorry for asking, but which spell is Ice Assassin, Affinity Field, Sanctum, Consumptive Field, Void Grant... In fact, I don't know what the things in the level 3 character are. I just can't figure those out, again, sorry for pestering you.
Edit: Sorry for being rude also... good job on this!
Don't worry and thanks ;)
Ice Assassin: Frostburn
Affinity Field: EPH
Sanctum Spell: Cityscape (?)
Consumptive Field: Libris Mortis
Void Grand: Complete Divine (<- I'm not sure about the translation of this name, sorry. It's the 10th level ability of Void Disciple, Complete Divine)
Oh, and I'm assuming Temporal Reiteration and Temporal Acceleration are the same things? (both effectively giving you 1 round while everything else remains in place? Or no?)
Temporal Reitaration make the effects that are affectiong you to last one more round
Temporal Acceleration is like time stop.
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Pazuzu is completely dependent on GM fiat.
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Oh noes !!
Tsuyo's gone and joined the Dark Side ...
... with Tleilaxu_Ghola.wait but if you use ice assassin to make a copy of yourself, doesn't it try to kill you?
Not if you command it not to.