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Alternative means of acquiring wizard spells?

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#1
Endarire
Jun 20, 2008 0:36:20 A wizard can gain spells known when leveling, can transfer spells from scrolls, and can transcribe spells from other spellbooks. (A wizard can cast spells from a borrowed spellbook, but I don't count that.) These are fairly obvious

The CO board informed me that Extra Spell can work, especially as a Chameleon. Also, Collegiate Wizard (Complete Arcane 181) gives double the number of spells per level compared to a standard wizard. Elf generalist wizard substitution level 1 gives an extra spell known per level.

Less obvious are summoning or calling creatures, having them use spells or SLAs, then creating scrolls from these spells or SLAs, and finally transfer them to one's spellbook. Unfortunately, most creatures worth calling require gate to bring to you, and I'm purposely avoiding wish-granting creatures like efreet. Speaking of wish, you may be able to use it to acquire a spellbook or a bag of spellbooks filled with nonmagical writing, or more specifically, spells. Since a standard 100-page spellbook is 5G and worth 10,005G when filled, you could get about 2.5 full spellbooks of wizard spells this way, DM willing.

A RAW example that is unlikely to fly with your DM is using polymorph any object to grant the subject spellcasting. Page ? of Monster Manual V says that spellcasting is an extraordinary special attack.

Finally, one could create a simulacrum of a creature capable of casting spells or SLAs on the wizard list- dragons are common examples- and create scrolls with abilities, again transferring these into scrolls. By the RAW, since most dragons don't have their spell lists explicitly listed, a wizard could create a simulacrum and get the desired spells.
#2
cycada
Jun 20, 2008 0:39:54 Are you asking for more ways of getting to spells? If so I believe that assume supernatural ability may give you some access to some of a polymorphed form's spells.
#3
kitep
Jun 20, 2008 1:10:59 I wouldn't think that a summoned creature would be around long enough to write a scroll. Wouldn't it also require the creature to have the Scribe Scroll feat as well? Calling may work though.

I guess you could use the Leadership feat to get followers that can cast, and will allow Fearless Leader to copy.
#4
Endarire
Jun 20, 2008 1:24:41 A creature only needs to remain around long enough to cast the spell to be scrolled. The wizard must spend the resources, including time, to finish creating the scroll. Note that creatures can cooperate to craft magic items, and scrolls are magic items.
#5
arcane-surge
Jun 20, 2008 6:31:07 Collegiate Wizard feat from Complete Arcane, page I can never remember but it's not in the feat section (AFB) gets you more spells upon levelling.
#6
jaronk
Jun 20, 2008 7:10:02 PAO will do it for you. Polymorph does give spellcasting (MMV shows that spells are extraordinary. Spells are a Special Attack).

JaronK
#7
ronyon
Jun 20, 2008 22:45:50 How about a Wish spell. You can wish for Mundane or magical items. Technically a spell book with the spells of your choosing would be mundane.
Im not sure if you should specify that they where written in your own magical shorthand, since this invites the DMs wrath.
#8
Endarire
Jun 22, 2008 17:16:24 Jaron, on what MMV page is your reference for spellcasting being Ex?

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#1 Endarire Jun 20, 2008 0:36:20	A wizard can gain spells known when leveling, can transfer spells from scrolls, and can transcribe spells from other spellbooks. (A wizard can cast spells from a borrowed spellbook, but I don't count that.) These are fairly obvious The CO board informed me that Extra Spell can work, especially as a Chameleon. Also, Collegiate Wizard (Complete Arcane 181) gives double the number of spells per level compared to a standard wizard. Elf generalist wizard substitution level 1 gives an extra spell known per level. Less obvious are summoning or calling creatures, having them use spells or SLAs, then creating scrolls from these spells or SLAs, and finally transfer them to one's spellbook. Unfortunately, most creatures worth calling require gate to bring to you, and I'm purposely avoiding wish-granting creatures like efreet. Speaking of wish, you may be able to use it to acquire a spellbook or a bag of spellbooks filled with nonmagical writing, or more specifically, spells. Since a standard 100-page spellbook is 5G and worth 10,005G when filled, you could get about 2.5 full spellbooks of wizard spells this way, DM willing. A RAW example that is unlikely to fly with your DM is using polymorph any object to grant the subject spellcasting. Page ? of Monster Manual V says that spellcasting is an extraordinary special attack. Finally, one could create a simulacrum of a creature capable of casting spells or SLAs on the wizard list- dragons are common examples- and create scrolls with abilities, again transferring these into scrolls. By the RAW, since most dragons don't have their spell lists explicitly listed, a wizard could create a simulacrum and get the desired spells.
#2 cycada Jun 20, 2008 0:39:54	Are you asking for more ways of getting to spells? If so I believe that assume supernatural ability may give you some access to some of a polymorphed form's spells.
#3 kitep Jun 20, 2008 1:10:59	I wouldn't think that a summoned creature would be around long enough to write a scroll. Wouldn't it also require the creature to have the Scribe Scroll feat as well? Calling may work though. I guess you could use the Leadership feat to get followers that can cast, and will allow Fearless Leader to copy.
#4 Endarire Jun 20, 2008 1:24:41	A creature only needs to remain around long enough to cast the spell to be scrolled. The wizard must spend the resources, including time, to finish creating the scroll. Note that creatures can cooperate to craft magic items, and scrolls are magic items.
#5 arcane-surge Jun 20, 2008 6:31:07	Collegiate Wizard feat from Complete Arcane, page I can never remember but it's not in the feat section (AFB) gets you more spells upon levelling.
#6 jaronk Jun 20, 2008 7:10:02	PAO will do it for you. Polymorph does give spellcasting (MMV shows that spells are extraordinary. Spells are a Special Attack). JaronK
#7 ronyon Jun 20, 2008 22:45:50	How about a Wish spell. You can wish for Mundane or magical items. Technically a spell book with the spells of your choosing would be mundane. Im not sure if you should specify that they where written in your own magical shorthand, since this invites the DMs wrath.
#8 Endarire Jun 22, 2008 17:16:24	Jaron, on what MMV page is your reference for spellcasting being Ex?