Wanted your Uber Mellee build to have Tumble or Cursed the skill requirements or a PrC?
i know i have.
Well ive compiled a list of feats (and domains) that grant you class skills from various sources and please feel free to suggest any extra tricks, feats, whatever, that adds new class skills... trying to stay away from multi classing tho.
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Aereni Focus - Player's Guide to Eberron (p.20)
Skill knowledge - UA (for use with UA Variant skill system) *check with your DM*
Aereni Focus - Player's Guide to Eberron (p.20)
Skill knowledge - UA (for use with UA Variant skill system) *check with your DM*
Appraise
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Pact - Spell compendium (also Intimidate, sense motive)
Wealth - Spell compendium.
Pact - Spell compendium (also Intimidate, sense motive)
Wealth - Spell compendium.
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You have a point that you might add a note alongside it.
Apprentice is really good, shame it can only be taken at first...
i hate how scattered about feats are these days, how long before WoTC makes a feat compendium?
For the one millionth time...Skill Knowledge is NOT for standard skill systems. This is why it is under the Alternative Skill Section.
Where a feat is listed doesn't matter. Nowhere in the feat does it say it is for alternative skill systems only. Deadly Precision and Greater Manyshot are in the Expanded Psionic Handbook. Does that mean they are only available in a psionic campaign? Not if your dm is at all reasonable since they have nothing to do with psionics. This feat is mentioned in a sidebar. There is nothing in it that says it only applies to the alternate skill system. It makes no allusions to rules in the alternate skill system. Therefore it works in any skill system that doesn't use rules that contradict it.
Surreal, would you be so kind to add this one to your Handy Links post? :D
Nice compilation !
Surreal, would you be so kind to add this one to your Handy Links post? :D
I don't have my laptop with me at the moment, which is where I keep all my files. I've been meaning to make an update in the next couple days though.
Just wanted to add that for completeness.
Where a feat is listed doesn't matter. Nowhere in the feat does it say it is for alternative skill systems only. Deadly Precision and Greater Manyshot are in the Expanded Psionic Handbook. Does that mean they are only available in a psionic campaign? Not if your dm is at all reasonable since they have nothing to do with psionics. This feat is mentioned in a sidebar. There is nothing in it that says it only applies to the alternate skill system. It makes no allusions to rules in the alternate skill system. Therefore it works in any skill system that doesn't use rules that contradict it.
Yes, actually, it does. Read it again. The Unearthed Arcana is FULL of VARIANT rules. Thus, this feat is a VARIANT. This has been discussed a thousand times, and, everytime it is ruled by either CustServ (not too reliable) or by the general public that it is not for the normal skill system.
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that was one of the motivating factors behind making this thread actually... loosing that to 3.5 was a harsh blow.
maybe thats what you're thinking of Necromas?
Since you need Draconic Heritage to get it and draconic knowledge is a draconic feat itself that means at least a +2 unnamed bonus on all knowledge checks, more if you take other draconic feats.
is there anything that qualifies from feindish codex 2?
or complete scoundrel
i dont have that one yet...
and it does something else that's a little weird , but i'm 'away from store' , (heh).
commentary - resist dying , within autohypnosis , might be mandatory for Fighters above level 8 ...
Skilled City-Dweller
The various wilderness-oriented skills are valuable indeed, but make less sense -- and may prove less useful -- for an urban character.
Class: Any class that has one or more of the "skills replaced," as listed below, on its list of class skills.
Level: 1st.
Replaces: If you select this class feature, you do not gain the "skills replaced" as listed below.
Benefit: The skilled city-dweller gains one or more skills as class skills, at the expense of other skills. If she does not have the proper skill to lose, she cannot gain the skill it grants as an urban benefit.
Note that she need not swap out all these skills. A skilled city-dweller may pick and choose, but she cannot later change her mind.
Skilled City-Dweller
Skill Gained Skill Replaced
Gather Information Handle Animal
Knowledge (local) Knowledge (nature)
Sense Motive Survival
Tumble Ride
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/we/20070228a
Cheers,
Inkubus
This is a little more cheesy, if you take able learner, you can basically treat any skill as a class skill if it is a class skill known to any one of your classes.
This is a little more cheesy, if you take able learner, you can basically treat any skill as a class skill if it is a class skill known to any one of your classes.
Combine this with a 1-level dip into Factotum (I realize this goes against the no-multiclassing idea) to get EVERY SKILL AS A CLASS SKILL. This includes Martial Study and Autohypnosis, among others.
About cleric domains (and psionic mantles), do those only add to your cleric (or Ardent/Divine Mind) class skills, or do they add to the class skills for all of your classes? I think it's the former, but if there's a rule somewhere that clearly states it's the latter, it would probably have a lot of optimization applications.
DRACONC KNOWLEDGE feat from Draconomicon. Functions as a bardic knowledge check without having to be a bard. It's not an actual class skill persay, however it flows with the post.
That feat is only for True Dragons. Otherise it would be an exellent choice.
Initiate of Aasterinian - bluff, disguise, speak language, sleight of hand
Initiate of Astilabor - disable device, open lock, search
Initiate of Lendys - gather information, sense motive
Initiate of Tiamat - intimidate
I'm sure other initiate feats in other books offer similar expanded skill lists, and some are even non-cleric.
I remember someone was asking how to get "Sleight of Hand" as a class skill a couple days ago, which is what prompted me to write these up in here.
Arcane Sight - Knowledge (Arcana)
Dread Tyranny - Intimidate; can also add Str to the skill check
Far Horizons - Climb, Jump, Swim
Whispered Secrets - Listen, Spot
Substitution levels from Races of Destiny:
half-elf bard - bluff, diplomacy, sense motive
half-elf ranger - gather info, sense motive
half-orc druid - intimidate
half-orc paladin - replace diplomacy with intimidate
Substitution levels from Races of the Dragon:
dragonblood sorcerer - remove craft and profession, add use magic device
dragonborn paladin - knowledge (arcana)
kobold fighter - profession (miner), search
kobold rogue - knowledge (dungeoneering)
Substitution levels from Races of the Wild
elf ranger - balance
elf wizard - search
halfling druid - climb, hide, jump, move silently
Substitution levels from Races of Stone
dwarf fighter - knowledge (dungeoneering)
dwarf sorcerer - knowledge (dungeoneering)
goliath barbarian - knowledge (nature)
goliath rogue - survival
o Use Magic Device
Apprentice (spellcaster) - DMG II (also a knowledge)
Ah, but there's a catch...
Surpassing the Mentor: Once the apprentice reaches 5th level, he graduates from his apprenticeship. ... The mentor’s associated skills remain class skills for purposes of determining the maximum rank he can have in those skills, and he still retains the secondary benefits, but an associated skill can only be purchased as a class skill if he gains a level in a class that has that skill as a class skill....
you can use bardic knowledge for anything, even gather information if what you're gathering on is old.
IIRC the Eternal Library can get you Decipher Script, Spellcraft, Psicraft or a Knowledge skill.
IIRC the Eternal Library can get you Decipher Script, Spellcraft, Psicraft or a Knowledge skill.
False. Didn't have time to pore over the other affiliations, but there is no mention of adding skills to your skill list in the Eternal Library listing on p12-13.
Seeker of Unseen Words rank-- Appraise, Decipher Script, any Knowledge skill, Spellcraft, or Psicraft.
I had great difficulty finding this on the search, when it used to show up prominently. Does it need to be bumped or something?
Wedded to History (Dragon # 354, page 54) with the "Golden Ager" background makes Use Magic Device a class skill for all your classes. You can only take this feat at 1st level.