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An Abominable Dragonborn

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#1
vicen_korel
Apr 07, 2008 1:05:09 I've been given the opportunity to use all my books in a campaign and play whatever I would like to try :D . The only requirement is what I play must come from my books or the SRD on-line.

What I own:
Core, CW, CaD, CA, CM, CD, LoM, ToM, RoDr, RoW, RoD, Arms and Equipment, PHB2

and can use:
Anything that's OGL from UA

So I decided to build a dragonish character, here's what I got so far for my build:

Dragonborn (mind) Raptorian
Stalwart, Dragon Blood, Battle Sorcerer (sorc)

Sorc 1 -- Draconic Heritage, MWP(footbow, Longsword), WF (longsword), Dragon Tail, Aberant Blood (flaw), Inhuman Reach (flaw)
Sorc 2
Sorc 3 -- Deepspawn
Sorc 4
Sorc 5
Dragon Heart Mage 1 -- Draconic Breath, Multiattack
Dragon Heart Mage 2 -- Draconic Claw
Sorc 6
Storm Talon -- Arcane Strike
Storm Talon -- Improved Flight
Dragon Disciple
Dragon Disciple -- *open

The questions are where to go now, what flaws do I take, what spells to take, and what do I spend money on?
#2
ieniemienie
Apr 07, 2008 2:27:52 The question is:
- What level do you start?
- What are your ability scores?

Edit:
Also:
- Until what lvl will you play?
- What is the purpose of the Character
#3
aftercrescent
Apr 07, 2008 2:28:41 Also: What do you want to do with your character?
#4
blargney_the_second
Apr 07, 2008 3:08:13 Where's your Flyby Attack?
#5
womblehunter
Apr 07, 2008 6:36:39 If you play a Battle Sorcerer and then PrC out, you are giving up your higher-level spellcasting for nothing.

If you play a Battle Sorcerer and don't PrC out, you are stuck in a class that offers no class features.
#6
vicen_korel
Apr 07, 2008 8:46:38 The Idea is the Natural attacks, for a type of Gish flavored dragon. I don't have stats yet but it's 32 point buy, we'll start at 3 and the DM is hoping for some long term level 20 action by the end of it.

I was thinking
STR 12 (+ 2 from dragon disciple when I get there)
DEX 12
CON 16
INT 12
WIS 8
CHA 16

At level 12 I'll have a natural attack routine of:
Bite/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw/Tail/Tentacle 1/ Tentacle 2
Activating arcane strike will give me
(+8 BAB - 2 Multiple Natural attacks + 4 Arcane Strike + 2 STR mod - 1 inhuman reach)
+13 BAB with damage d6+2+4d4 x 6 + 5d4 x 2

With HD of:
6d8+2d6+2d10+2d12 + 12 + 36 (Max 1st 1/2+1 rest)
HP 115

Now that's without any buffing

I don't mind if I don't max out my spell progression but I think I would like to take it a little farther and grab more BAB as I can. If I grab Combat Casting at level 12 then I could go Abjurant Champion to get both BAB and spell progression and cast some of my buffing faster.

So far I've lost 5 spell casting levels and for those I've gotten:
2 claw attacks, Bite Attack, + 2 STR, + 1 Natural Armor, and a Breath Weapon

As well as the non d8 HD and BAB of + 4
#7
xaktsaroth
Apr 07, 2008 10:33:15
At level 12 I'll have a natural attack routine of:
Bite/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw/Tail/Tentacle 1/ Tentacle 2

Something about this is setting off my Spider-sense.

I can understand the Bite and 2 Claw attacks from your 2 levels of DD.

I can understand your tail attack from the Dragon Tail feat.

I can understand 2 tentacle attacks, from the Deepspawn feat.

Where are you getting the additional 2 claw attacks from?
#8
vicen_korel
Apr 07, 2008 10:40:48 2 from the Draconic claw feat
"you gain a claw attack. You can make a natural attack with two claws, dealing damage based on your size as if you were truly a dragon (medium d6).

and the other 2 from storm talon level 1: foot Talons:
takes an hour to sharpen them each day but I get claw attacks for d6 damage as long as I'm flying.

Too clarify one more thing, Inhuman reach means I have 10 ft reach on these right?
#9
xaktsaroth
Apr 07, 2008 10:49:40
2 from the Draconic claw feat
"you gain a claw attack. You can make a natural attack with two claws, dealing damage based on your size as if you were truly a dragon (medium d6).

and the other 2 from storm talon level 1: foot Talons:
takes an hour to sharpen them each day but I get claw attacks for d6 damage as long as I'm flying.

Too clarify one more thing, Inhuman reach means I have 10 ft reach on these right?

Ah, foot talons. Forgot about those. Alright, objection sustained. :P
#10
vicen_korel
Apr 07, 2008 10:55:09 One problem I see after adding up my saves is going to be the Ref save throw

Saves at level 12:
Fort +11 Will +11 Ref +2
#11
feintmaster
Apr 07, 2008 11:47:33 Stalwart Sorcerer (CM) is the one you want. Battle Sorcerer kind of sucks.
#12
bauglir
Apr 07, 2008 13:40:36 Do both, perhaps. Your casting is craptacular, but you have as many hit points as a Knight (in theory, anyway), and with the right feats, you can be flying around in Mithral Full Plate armed with a Martial Weapon of some sort, for which you have Weapon Focus. People are gonna assume you're primarily a warrior (which you are, because being a spell level behind means you should probably focus on buffing yourself and the party).
#13
vicen_korel
Apr 07, 2008 13:52:29 Yeah I was planning on both Stalwart, and battle along with dragonblood they are/were all in the intial post. Bauglir has the idea. If I use a weapon I gain another attack but lose a claw attack and the benifits of using Arcane Strike on all my natural attacks.

Bauglir you're saying to grab a level of fighter using the Racial alternate class to get the medium armor flight? Grabbing several fighting type PrC's can help my BAB and other things but each level I don't take in Sorc is a level I don't get 2 extra HP from Stalwart sorcerer that I'm still losing a spell for. If I grab classes like Spellsword, Abjurant Champ, and maybe Phantom Knight (maybe not that phantom mount spell is kind of expensive with my limited spells) I could avoid some of that problem.
#14
bauglir
Apr 07, 2008 14:09:42 Actually, I was referring to the Heavy Flyer feat (I can't remember where it's from, though) which lets you fly in Heavy Armor or with a Medium load, I think, plus Battlecaster, which lets you cast with no ASF in Medium armor, since you already have Light. 2 feats for +4 AC is questionable, though, so you probably ought to take them only if you haven't got much better to do.
#15
vicen_korel
Apr 08, 2008 0:49:34 2 feats or 1 level and a feat if I do the racial alt for raptorian, iffy at best I think as I lose even more of my spells that way, but it would open up more options too.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 vicen_korel Apr 07, 2008 1:05:09	I've been given the opportunity to use all my books in a campaign and play whatever I would like to try :D . The only requirement is what I play must come from my books or the SRD on-line. What I own: Core, CW, CaD, CA, CM, CD, LoM, ToM, RoDr, RoW, RoD, Arms and Equipment, PHB2 and can use: Anything that's OGL from UA So I decided to build a dragonish character, here's what I got so far for my build: Dragonborn (mind) Raptorian Stalwart, Dragon Blood, Battle Sorcerer (sorc) Sorc 1 -- Draconic Heritage, MWP(footbow, Longsword), WF (longsword), Dragon Tail, Aberant Blood (flaw), Inhuman Reach (flaw) Sorc 2 Sorc 3 -- Deepspawn Sorc 4 Sorc 5 Dragon Heart Mage 1 -- Draconic Breath, Multiattack Dragon Heart Mage 2 -- Draconic Claw Sorc 6 Storm Talon -- Arcane Strike Storm Talon -- Improved Flight Dragon Disciple Dragon Disciple -- *open The questions are where to go now, what flaws do I take, what spells to take, and what do I spend money on?
#2 ieniemienie Apr 07, 2008 2:27:52	The question is: - What level do you start? - What are your ability scores? Edit: Also: - Until what lvl will you play? - What is the purpose of the Character
#3 aftercrescent Apr 07, 2008 2:28:41	Also: What do you want to do with your character?
#4 blargney_the_second Apr 07, 2008 3:08:13	Where's your Flyby Attack?
#5 womblehunter Apr 07, 2008 6:36:39	If you play a Battle Sorcerer and then PrC out, you are giving up your higher-level spellcasting for nothing. If you play a Battle Sorcerer and don't PrC out, you are stuck in a class that offers no class features.
#6 vicen_korel Apr 07, 2008 8:46:38	The Idea is the Natural attacks, for a type of Gish flavored dragon. I don't have stats yet but it's 32 point buy, we'll start at 3 and the DM is hoping for some long term level 20 action by the end of it. I was thinking STR 12 (+ 2 from dragon disciple when I get there) DEX 12 CON 16 INT 12 WIS 8 CHA 16 At level 12 I'll have a natural attack routine of: Bite/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw/Tail/Tentacle 1/ Tentacle 2 Activating arcane strike will give me (+8 BAB - 2 Multiple Natural attacks + 4 Arcane Strike + 2 STR mod - 1 inhuman reach) +13 BAB with damage d6+2+4d4 x 6 + 5d4 x 2 With HD of: 6d8+2d6+2d10+2d12 + 12 + 36 (Max 1st 1/2+1 rest) HP 115 Now that's without any buffing I don't mind if I don't max out my spell progression but I think I would like to take it a little farther and grab more BAB as I can. If I grab Combat Casting at level 12 then I could go Abjurant Champion to get both BAB and spell progression and cast some of my buffing faster. So far I've lost 5 spell casting levels and for those I've gotten: 2 claw attacks, Bite Attack, + 2 STR, + 1 Natural Armor, and a Breath Weapon As well as the non d8 HD and BAB of + 4
#7 xaktsaroth Apr 07, 2008 10:33:15	At level 12 I'll have a natural attack routine of: Bite/Claw/Claw/Claw/Claw/Tail/Tentacle 1/ Tentacle 2 Something about this is setting off my Spider-sense. I can understand the Bite and 2 Claw attacks from your 2 levels of DD. I can understand your tail attack from the Dragon Tail feat. I can understand 2 tentacle attacks, from the Deepspawn feat. Where are you getting the additional 2 claw attacks from?
#8 vicen_korel Apr 07, 2008 10:40:48	2 from the Draconic claw feat "you gain a claw attack. You can make a natural attack with two claws, dealing damage based on your size as if you were truly a dragon (medium d6). and the other 2 from storm talon level 1: foot Talons: takes an hour to sharpen them each day but I get claw attacks for d6 damage as long as I'm flying. Too clarify one more thing, Inhuman reach means I have 10 ft reach on these right?
#9 xaktsaroth Apr 07, 2008 10:49:40	2 from the Draconic claw feat "you gain a claw attack. You can make a natural attack with two claws, dealing damage based on your size as if you were truly a dragon (medium d6). and the other 2 from storm talon level 1: foot Talons: takes an hour to sharpen them each day but I get claw attacks for d6 damage as long as I'm flying. Too clarify one more thing, Inhuman reach means I have 10 ft reach on these right? Ah, foot talons. Forgot about those. Alright, objection sustained. :P
#10 vicen_korel Apr 07, 2008 10:55:09	One problem I see after adding up my saves is going to be the Ref save throw Saves at level 12: Fort +11 Will +11 Ref +2
#11 feintmaster Apr 07, 2008 11:47:33	Stalwart Sorcerer (CM) is the one you want. Battle Sorcerer kind of sucks.
#12 bauglir Apr 07, 2008 13:40:36	Do both, perhaps. Your casting is craptacular, but you have as many hit points as a Knight (in theory, anyway), and with the right feats, you can be flying around in Mithral Full Plate armed with a Martial Weapon of some sort, for which you have Weapon Focus. People are gonna assume you're primarily a warrior (which you are, because being a spell level behind means you should probably focus on buffing yourself and the party).
#13 vicen_korel Apr 07, 2008 13:52:29	Yeah I was planning on both Stalwart, and battle along with dragonblood they are/were all in the intial post. Bauglir has the idea. If I use a weapon I gain another attack but lose a claw attack and the benifits of using Arcane Strike on all my natural attacks. Bauglir you're saying to grab a level of fighter using the Racial alternate class to get the medium armor flight? Grabbing several fighting type PrC's can help my BAB and other things but each level I don't take in Sorc is a level I don't get 2 extra HP from Stalwart sorcerer that I'm still losing a spell for. If I grab classes like Spellsword, Abjurant Champ, and maybe Phantom Knight (maybe not that phantom mount spell is kind of expensive with my limited spells) I could avoid some of that problem.
#14 bauglir Apr 07, 2008 14:09:42	Actually, I was referring to the Heavy Flyer feat (I can't remember where it's from, though) which lets you fly in Heavy Armor or with a Medium load, I think, plus Battlecaster, which lets you cast with no ASF in Medium armor, since you already have Light. 2 feats for +4 AC is questionable, though, so you probably ought to take them only if you haven't got much better to do.
#15 vicen_korel Apr 08, 2008 0:49:34	2 feats or 1 level and a feat if I do the racial alt for raptorian, iffy at best I think as I lose even more of my spells that way, but it would open up more options too.