for a campaign starting end of july early august my group has an interesting new house rule ( 1 game only ) Arcane spells do not exist at all. they cant be accessed from feats or classess. ( divine counter parts are still around ).
and my DM gave me an additional option that peaked my interest a lot
do your worst with no spells
so i cant have access to spells at all from my classess. ( i am choosing to include psionics)
also no Tome of Magic classess for this challange.
stasrting ecl is 5
28 point buy
relms and most other Wizards books feats allowed. Eberron will be on a per case basis since the DM doest own the books and would need to look into things as time permits.
so what direction would you go
i was thinking maybe a barbarian/primeval build that sent strength into the 60 or better but im not set on anything yet.
give me your ideas builds or comments
ron
ps this is a cross-post
The first idea would be
Wild Shape Ranger 5/Nature's Warrior 3/Primeval 1/Warshaper 2/Primeval +9
The Wild Shape variant for Rangers is from Unearthed Arcana, page 58. I know you were looking at Barbarian, but over at community.wizards.com/go/post/reply/7588... they suggest the Ranger variant with Nature's Warrior supplementing until you qualify. Seems really solid. That link also has excellent Primeval Form analysis. I'd go for Megaraptor or Dire Ape myself.
If you go this route, see if you can talk your DM into taking Improved Toughness and have it qualify for the PrC. If not, oh well, but it's overall just a better feat that does the same thing. Also, I'd suggest Steadfast Determination as your Will save will be rather low by 20.
My second idea for you would be:
Half-Orc Paragon 3/Barbarian 4/Bear Warrior 1/Warshaper 3/Bear Warrior +9
Half-Orc Paragon is also from Unearthed Arcana. This goes in a lot different of a direction than your original idea, but the strength bonuses get huge, plus it's less feat-intensive. I like Half-Orc so you can grab Channeled Rage.
Either build has nice damage potential.
I come to you with two options, sir.
The first idea would be
Wild Shape Ranger 5/Nature's Warrior 3/Primeval 1/Warshaper 2/Primeval +9
The Wild Shape variant for Rangers is from Unearthed Arcana, page 58. I know you were looking at Barbarian, but over at community.wizards.com/go/post/reply/7588... they suggest the Ranger variant with Nature's Warrior supplementing until you qualify. Seems really solid. That link also has excellent Primeval Form analysis. I'd go for Megaraptor or Dire Ape myself.
If you go this route, see if you can talk your DM into taking Improved Toughness and have it qualify for the PrC. If not, oh well, but it's overall just a better feat that does the same thing. Also, I'd suggest Steadfast Determination as your Will save will be rather low by 20.
My second idea for you would be:
Half-Orc Paragon 3/Barbarian 4/Bear Warrior 1/Warshaper 3/Bear Warrior +9
Half-Orc Paragon is also from Unearthed Arcana. This goes in a lot different of a direction than your original idea, but the strength bonuses get huge, plus it's less feat-intensive. I like Half-Orc so you can grab Channeled Rage.
Either build has nice damage potential.
good ideas but the link is to reply to this thread can you repost it so i can see what you are reffering to?
ron
good ideas but the link is to reply to this thread can you repost it so i can see what you are reffering to?
ron
Weird... here's the link again:
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...
bump
If you've got some levels to spare, deepwarden 2 (Races of Stone) lets you use con instead of dex to AC and fist of the forest 1 (Complete Champion) gives you a bonus to AC equal to your con when you do not use armor or a shield.
Deepwarden requires you to be a dwarf. If you're going for classes that add modifiers to your abilities, earth dwarf give you +2 str, +2 con, -2 dex, -2 cha.
Given that you say you will use an 18 point buy, classes that replace your ability scores may be better. Master of many forms can ultimately give you 48 str, 9 dex, 32 con, and 17 natural armor. At level 9, when you'd first be able to use primeval form, master of many forms gives you 29 str, 13 dex, 27 con, and 11 natural armor.
deep warden is idea
Wildshape Ranger 5/Master of Many Forms 7/X 8
(X can be MoMF +3 and/or Warshaper 5 and/or Nature's Warrior)
There's perhaps less sheer power than with Primeval, but you're very adaptable which is better in the long run IMHO. At level 12 your base form should be War Troll, for the awesome offense/defense combination. Maat addressed the later levels (it's the Dusk Giant IIRC?)
I also like Exalted Wildshape + Swift Wildshape: you can walk around in Blink Dog form, Dimension Door as a free action, morph as a swift and full-attack, which is nice in the first round.
Martial artists are both versatile and powerful as well, and they bloom earlier than the wildshaping builds (which tend to come into their own at level 8 or so).
For that there's the ToB build Compendium, or you can take a look at Yedra, one of my characters (but there is no level-by-level breakdown).
i do like the wildshape idea i was thinking of going with shapeshifter from oriental adventures to get it and then master of many forms and warshaper
something like chamelon barbarian 4/warshaper 3-4/MoMF 7/ xxx for the rest. will give me the ability to pounce ( lion totem barbarian ) and all the same as a wild shape ranger.
all though a orc warlord with the lead the charge manuver and a strength in the 60s could be a fun way to just kill some thing in one round.......
and i double checked with the DM Tome of Magic is out for this challange as well. i was thinking of adding binding into a character to gain some nice debuff stuff.
just for some food for thought
While you're at it, you can become a partial Pun-Pun (partial because of the no spell restriction): after all, one of the early versions of Pun-Pun used Divine Minion IIRC.
MoMF is the revised Shapechanger AFAIK?
MoMF is the revised Shapechanger AFAIK?
Correct, there was a note about it revising Shapechanger somewhere in the book. Made me sad
Dragon 318 updated OA to 3.5 most things were left unchanged but it was changed to give you wildshape = HD at its slow progression if your race qualified you for it. i am allowed to use that info soon as i get around to unboxing the Dragon collection.... but i have just over a month left so im not worried about that.
The DM may say no to divine minion as it stands but he may let me down tweak it to make it a bit more balanced. i know Shapechanger is allowed once i get the magazine out so thats always an option.
ron