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#1 choogabum Jan 28, 2009 7:50:35	Hi there, I need some CO's opinions and suggestions concerning fighter focused in damage dealing. My DM is a b****, so ToB and UA are not allowed. Only "classic" races - like elves, halflings, humans, dwarf - are allowed. No psionics. No mount "tricks". We'll play that 3 books FR "end of the world" campain. I already looked for a nice build in this forum. Some ideas: - Lion totem barbarian is a must! - Resolute and Dungeon Crusher look nice. - I want to use a exotic weapon - no spiked chain and variants - most likely greathammer from MM4. - I have a bonus feat at 1st lvl, so a human fighter would grab 4 feats at 1st lvl. Any ideas ? Thanks in advance. =D
#2 carnivore Jan 28, 2009 8:01:13	what is "We'll play that 3 books FR "end of the world" campain."? ... is it Core(PHB,MM,DMG) +1 FR book?... what books exactly are allowed? What is the starting level? how about something simple: Human Ranger 2/ Barbarian 2/ Fighter 4/ Horizon Walker xxxx :D
#3 choogabum Jan 28, 2009 9:07:16	this campain i'm talking about: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/956857200 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/978078694 it's a 3 book campain, but i can't find the 2nd one... So... we start at 4th level. about the build, i can't see why ranger 2 and not ranger 3 in this build, since i need endurance to qualify to horizon walker. fighter 4 is just "half" dungeon crusher ? i only get 4d6 + 2x str right? I guess fighter 6 would be better. any more ideas ? Thanks.
#4 carnivore Jan 28, 2009 10:01:46	this campain i'm talking about: http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/956857200 http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/978078694 it's a 3 book campain, but i can't find the 2nd one... here is the second: Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land So... we start at 4th level. about the build, i can't see why ranger 2 and not ranger 3 in this build, since i need endurance to qualify to horizon walker. fighter 4 is just "half" dungeon crusher ? i only get 4d6 + 2x str right? I guess fighter 6 would be better. because i didnt know what books you were allowed to use.... nor the starting level... also what is the rest of the party like? :D
#5 choogabum Jan 28, 2009 11:12:40	Books allowed: - Core and core II - All Complete books - All Races books - All FR books - All "enviroment" books (cityscape, frostburn, etc) We have a house rule. Every PC must have 2 core classes and 2 PrC max. Like rogue/ranger/assassin/horizon walker or fighter/master thrower/invisible blade... u got it right ? My group at the moment is: - Cleric of Azuth (healing and talking) - Defensive fighter (good AC, tanker type) - Wizard (crowd control) - Ranger/rogue (stealth type) - My damage dealer fighter. Sorry about my english... it's not my native language. thanks in advance.
#6 winternacht Jan 28, 2009 12:29:46	Without a thought: Human (Jotunbrud) to have powerful build getting you Knockback as an option to use with Dungeoncrusher (through the wall)
#7 metagon Jan 28, 2009 12:36:19	Agreed. Go human with Jotunbrud and Knockback. Jotunbrud is a human regional feat that gives you powerful build, which lets you qualify for Knockback from Races of Stone. Knockback synergizes well with Dungeoncrasher; with Knockback, when you attack with a power attack, you get a free bull rush attempt; this means that you don't have to waste one of your attacks to only bull rush, now you can just bull rush off of any attack. Obviously you'll need Power Attack and Improved Bull Rush, which are prereq's for Knockback, but also obvious choices on any dungeoncrasher. Take a few barbarian levels for your Lion Totem pounce and rage. With a few more feats you qualify for Frenzied Beserker. If you're going to charge, consider Leap Attack (Complete Adventurer), Shock Trooper, and Combat Brute (both from Complete Warrior).
#8 obtusehobbit Jan 28, 2009 13:03:27	Here is build I put together for a dungeon crasher for a friend that seems to meet your needs and is different then most I've seen Race: Human Stats: Str 16 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 12 Wis 10 Chr 10 Alignment: CN Build Progression 1) Lion Totem Barbarian 1: Power Attack, Extra Rage, Jotunbrud 2) Fighter 1: EWP (Bastard Sword) 3) Dungeon Crasher Fighter 2: Improved Bullrush 4) Fighter 3: 5) Fighter 4: Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword), 6) Fighter 5: Knockback 7) Exotic Weapons Master 1: 8) Fighter 6: 9) Dragon Devotee 1: Animal Devotion 10) Dragon Devotee 2: Shocktrooper 11) Dragonon Devotee 3: 12) Dragon Devotee 4: Leap Attack, Animal Devotion 13) Dragon Devotee 5: 14) Dragon Disciple 1: 15) Dragon Disciple 2: Animal Devotion 16) Dragon Disciple 3: 17) Dragon Disciple 4: 18) Barbarian 2: Animal Devotion 19) Barbarian 3: 20) Barbarian 4: Key character points at Level 20: [LIST] []Rage 4/day []Animal Devotion 4/day []Can cast spells as lvl 2 sorceror with 7/day 1st level spells I recommend Enlarge Person []Str at 20th level is 16 + 5(levels) + 5(tome) + 2(Dagon Devotee) + 4(Dragon Disciple) + 6(Item) = 38 []Str 52 with Rage, Animal Devotion, and Enlarge Person active []Gets Strength Damage x2 with Bastard Sword []Strong Bullrush bonus from Size, High Strength, Improved Bullrush, and Knockback. []Strong Charges with Shock Trooper, Power Attack, Leap Attack, and Pounce [*]Bab +17

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choogabum

Jan 28, 2009 7:50:35

Hi there,

I need some CO's opinions and suggestions concerning fighter focused in damage dealing.

My DM is a b****, so ToB and UA are not allowed. Only "classic" races - like elves, halflings, humans, dwarf - are allowed. No psionics. No mount "tricks".

We'll play that 3 books FR "end of the world" campain.

I already looked for a nice build in this forum. Some ideas:

- Lion totem barbarian is a must!
- Resolute and Dungeon Crusher look nice.
- I want to use a exotic weapon - no spiked chain and variants - most likely greathammer from MM4.
- I have a bonus feat at 1st lvl, so a human fighter would grab 4 feats at 1st lvl.

Any ideas ?
Thanks in advance.
=D

carnivore

Jan 28, 2009 8:01:13

what is "We'll play that 3 books FR "end of the world" campain."? ... is it Core(PHB,MM,DMG) +1 FR book?... what books exactly are allowed?

What is the starting level?

how about something simple:

Human
Ranger 2/ Barbarian 2/ Fighter 4/ Horizon Walker xxxx

:D

choogabum

Jan 28, 2009 9:07:16

this campain i'm talking about:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/956857200
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/978078694

it's a 3 book campain, but i can't find the 2nd one...

So... we start at 4th level.

about the build,
i can't see why ranger 2 and not ranger 3 in this build, since i need endurance to qualify to horizon walker.
fighter 4 is just "half" dungeon crusher ? i only get 4d6 + 2x str right? I guess fighter 6 would be better.

any more ideas ?
Thanks.

carnivore

Jan 28, 2009 10:01:46

this campain i'm talking about:
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/956857200
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=products/fracc/978078694

it's a 3 book campain, but i can't find the 2nd one...

here is the second:

Shadowdale: The Scouring of the Land

So... we start at 4th level.

about the build,
i can't see why ranger 2 and not ranger 3 in this build, since i need endurance to qualify to horizon walker.
fighter 4 is just "half" dungeon crusher ? i only get 4d6 + 2x str right? I guess fighter 6 would be better.

because i didnt know what books you were allowed to use.... nor the starting level...

also what is the rest of the party like?

:D

choogabum

Jan 28, 2009 11:12:40

Books allowed:

- Core and core II
- All Complete books
- All Races books
- All FR books
- All "enviroment" books (cityscape, frostburn, etc)

We have a house rule. Every PC must have 2 core classes and 2 PrC max. Like rogue/ranger/assassin/horizon walker or fighter/master thrower/invisible blade... u got it right ?

My group at the moment is:
- Cleric of Azuth (healing and talking)
- Defensive fighter (good AC, tanker type)
- Wizard (crowd control)
- Ranger/rogue (stealth type)
- My damage dealer fighter.

Sorry about my english... it's not my native language.

thanks in advance.

winternacht

Jan 28, 2009 12:29:46

Without a thought: Human (Jotunbrud) to have powerful build getting you Knockback as an option to use with Dungeoncrusher

(through the wall)

metagon

Jan 28, 2009 12:36:19

Agreed. Go human with Jotunbrud and Knockback. Jotunbrud is a human regional feat that gives you powerful build, which lets you qualify for Knockback from Races of Stone. Knockback synergizes well with Dungeoncrasher; with Knockback, when you attack with a power attack, you get a free bull rush attempt; this means that you don't have to waste one of your attacks to only bull rush, now you can just bull rush off of any attack. Obviously you'll need Power Attack and Improved Bull Rush, which are prereq's for Knockback, but also obvious choices on any dungeoncrasher. Take a few barbarian levels for your Lion Totem pounce and rage. With a few more feats you qualify for Frenzied Beserker.

If you're going to charge, consider Leap Attack (Complete Adventurer), Shock Trooper, and Combat Brute (both from Complete Warrior).

obtusehobbit

Jan 28, 2009 13:03:27

Here is build I put together for a dungeon crasher for a friend that seems to meet your needs and is different then most I've seen

Race: Human
Stats: Str 16 Dex 14 Con 14 Int 12 Wis 10 Chr 10
Alignment: CN
Build Progression
1) Lion Totem Barbarian 1: Power Attack, Extra Rage, Jotunbrud
2) Fighter 1: EWP (Bastard Sword)
3) Dungeon Crasher Fighter 2: Improved Bullrush
4) Fighter 3:
5) Fighter 4: Weapon Focus (Bastard Sword),
6) Fighter 5: Knockback
7) Exotic Weapons Master 1:
8) Fighter 6:
9) Dragon Devotee 1: Animal Devotion
10) Dragon Devotee 2: Shocktrooper
11) Dragonon Devotee 3:
12) Dragon Devotee 4: Leap Attack, Animal Devotion
13) Dragon Devotee 5:
14) Dragon Disciple 1:
15) Dragon Disciple 2: Animal Devotion
16) Dragon Disciple 3:
17) Dragon Disciple 4:
18) Barbarian 2: Animal Devotion
19) Barbarian 3:
20) Barbarian 4:

Key character points at Level 20:
[LIST]
[*]Rage 4/day
[*]Animal Devotion 4/day
[*]Can cast spells as lvl 2 sorceror with 7/day 1st level spells I recommend Enlarge Person
[*]Str at 20th level is 16 + 5(levels) + 5(tome) + 2(Dagon Devotee) + 4(Dragon Disciple) + 6(Item) = 38
[*]Str 52 with Rage, Animal Devotion, and Enlarge Person active
[*]Gets Strength Damage x2 with Bastard Sword
[*]Strong Bullrush bonus from Size, High Strength, Improved Bullrush, and Knockback.
[*]Strong Charges with Shock Trooper, Power Attack, Leap Attack, and Pounce
[*]Bab +17