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#1 grifter730_dup Jan 04, 2009 19:13:16	Is there a way for a normal (non-variant) druid to get the Divine Power spell without multiclassing or taking prestige classes? I already have my build, and I can't squeeze any other prcs, so I was wondering if there was a way, possibly through a feat, to get Divine Power? Or maybe there's a Druid spell that can give him BAB = character level?
#2 rebel7284 Jan 04, 2009 19:42:27	There is no easy way to do this. You can pump UMD, but it's cross-class for a druid. Dipping Contemplative 1 only costs you 1 level of wildshape progression. If you can somehow get level 1 arcane spells, Arcane Disciple from complete divine could do it.
#3 surreal Jan 04, 2009 20:06:24	Is there any particular reason you want Divine Power? You have a myriad of buff spells at your disposal, and wildshaped you don't really have much need for BAB since Str bonuses work just as well. You could always show us your build and maybe we can find a way to squeeze in what you want.
#4 skydragonknight Jan 04, 2009 20:46:23	Education feat or some way to get Knowledge(Religion) as a class skill and a Contemplative dip for a domain with Divine Power would let you memorize it 1/day. Though most druids don't need BAB so much since you don't get extra natural attacks from it so unless you need to be a Dire Bear with Robilar's Gambit at level 12 for some weird reason I really don't see the point...
#5 archerpwr Jan 04, 2009 21:07:13	Leadership => Ordained champion cohort => channel spell+divine power. Have the ordained champion either use DMM to make it persist (not sure if this works) or give it leadership for an incantatrix cohort to use metamagic effect. Alternatively, shapechange into a planetar and cast it. Alternatively, use planar shepard to wildshape into a planetar and cast it. Last scenario: Buy a fricken wand of it and use UMD.
#6 Endarire Jan 07, 2009 20:34:27	If your DM lets you, spend a feat on Extra Spell to nab divine power.
#7 Wyvernhand Jan 07, 2009 22:59:43	If you plan to be a Wildshapy type druid going into MoMF along with Nature's Warrior/Warshaper to taste, you could enter via Wildshape varient Ranger from UA. Since MoMF, NW, and WS are all full BAB PrCs, getting into them via WS Ranger would give you 20/20 BAB. Something fun would be WS Ranger5/MoMF10/WS4/NW1 getting Serpent's Coils from NW for fun fun constriction.
#8 PlzBreakMyCampaign Jan 07, 2009 23:45:48	I am confused by your post. I thought nothing short of a Miracle or Wish (and a nice DM) could allow high level DMM persisted spell to be swapped from one person to the next as Imbue with spell ability but without the restrictions. Could you elaborate?
#9 pithica Jan 08, 2009 6:57:14	Incantatrix can use either Metamagic Effect or Cooperative Metamagic to make another spellcaster's persistable spell persisted. But, you asked about DMM specifically, so you probably already knew that. Some versions of spell 'channeling' allow you to cast spells on other people that you normally can't as touch spells. The channeling that Ordained Champion gets, says, specifically, that you can channel any spell you have available to cast into a weapon (CoChamp p91). That means, you can DMM-Persist a Personal/Fixed Range spell, channel it into a weapon (use that small sized non-masterwork sap and pull your punch), and then hit your friend with it to pass it on to him. Assuming that hasn't been erratta'd (I'm heading out the door and don't feel like looking it up), that's legal. Imbue can also work, as persist doesn't actually change the spell level, so as long as the base spell is imbue'able, then you can send it over persisted. But then, you did say 'high level' so you probably already knew that as well.
#10 PlzBreakMyCampaign Jan 08, 2009 8:59:04	Actually It was errata'd but the errata is a little unclear... It says: "any spell available to you that has one creature or more as its target into you melee weapon." So it appears by RAW a "personal" and thereby persistable spell would be a valid target, but I can understand a DM pointing out that this probably meant to apply to spells with a description that effects other "targets"... eh I forgot about this ability Note to self for next cohort...
#11 phaedrusxy Jan 08, 2009 14:28:31	I am pretty sure one of the Incantatrix abilities lets him apply a metmagic feat to a spell that's already in place. The druid with UMD could activate a Wand of Divine Power and have his Incantatrix cohort make it Persistant, if so. I think that is Metamagic Effect, as Pithica mentioned. Unless the druid got Divine Power on his spell list somehow, I don't think Cooperative Metamagic would work, though.
#12 Endarire Jan 08, 2009 15:13:54	Phaedrus: Metamagic Effect (Ix3) works as you describe.