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Assistance needed with Divine Gish

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#1
lokdown
Apr 30, 2009 14:31:13 I'm currently creating a character for a high powered dungeon crawl game. Roleplay is generally limited to how combat actions are performed, and what you say between fights.

Game Information

Sources Allowed: All official WotC and Dragon (cross campaign setting material allowed)

Stats: 40 point buy

Level: 16

Homebrew: An additional four feats that can be taken at any level.

Banned Material: LA buyoff, Incantatrix, DMM-Persistent, anything that is innately unbalanced (infinite loops etc).

I've been tossing around the idea of a divine gish (of sorts) and this is what I've come up with so far.

Race: Human

Stats:
STR-14
DEX-12
CON-16
INT-12
WIS-16
CHA-14

Build Stub:
Barbarian 1/Hexblade 4/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Ur-Priest 2

Alternative Class Features:
Barbarian - Lion Totem, Whirling Frenzy
Hexblade - Dark Companion
Paladin of Tyranny - Avenging (houserule loses Deadly Touch, Rebuke Undead, Cause Disease)

Feats:
H. Power Attack
L1. Improved Initiative
L3. Iron Will
L6. Spell Focus: Evil
L9. Practised Spellcaster: Ur-Priest
B1. Divine Might
B2. Extend Spell
B3. Quicken Spell
B4. DMM-Quicken

My quandry is what to take for the last six levels?

Full caster progression is tantamount (one lost level is acceptable but the benefits have to be pretty stellar), but decent Hit Die and BaB would be nice as well.

Bone Knight intrigued me but the loss of one caster level and the fact that I'd have little chance of using the undead commanding abilities puts me off (but not completely).

There's also two feats free as well so if anyone has any suggestions for them or replacements for the ones I've selected I'd appreciate it.

Thanks in advance.
#2
ninjarabbit
Apr 30, 2009 15:14:42 If you're starting at level 16 then you should try to find a way to get all 10 levels of UR-Priest spellcasting.

Anyways my build would be factotum3/duskblade3/ur-priest10 and finishing the rest of the build with hierophant

Str 14
Dex 10
Con 14
Int 16
Wis 16
Cha 14

Feats:
1-able learner, iron will
3-spell focus evil
6-power attack
9-quicken spell
12-DMM quicken spell
15-practiced spellcaster

Bonus feats: improved initative, font of inspiration X2, knowledge devotion
#3
pithica
Apr 30, 2009 15:31:11 Monk 2/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Ur-Priest 1/Sacred Fist 10 (not necessarily all in that order)

Get's you full Ur-Priest Casting (9th level spells), a +14 BAB, 12th level Monk unarmed damage (16th with Monk's belt), Evasion, Cha to saves, plus other stuff.
#4
lokdown
May 02, 2009 19:06:24 Two very nice builds there, but unfortunately not what I'm looking for.

I'm basically looking for suggestions as to what to top off my build stub with in relation to PrC's and feats.
#5
unundindur
May 02, 2009 23:14:52 For a dinvine gish you cannot avoid the tome of battle with its prestige class of awesome divine gishness.

Since you mention dragon... There is a feat there somewhere that lets rogue and cleric levels stack for sneak attack. That must have some potential.
#6
lokdown
May 03, 2009 7:10:47 I am in no doubt about the sheer power of the RKV, however I have zero ToB experience and a game of this power level isn't the best time to "feel out" such nuances.

Perhaps my use of the term Gish was a bit of misnomer, really it looks like I want an evil flavoured divine caster with backup melee ability.
#7
unundindur
May 03, 2009 10:22:36
I am in no doubt about the sheer power of the RKV, however I have zero ToB experience and a game of this power level isn't the best time to "feel out" such nuances.

Perhaps my use of the term Gish was a bit of misnomer, really it looks like I want an evil flavoured divine caster with backup melee ability.

At what power level? As it stands, a cleric 20 can do that very well all by itself

The Ruby Knight is in the very upper range, so if you have a bit more details about what power levels, and any other details that could be helpful.
#8
phaedrusxy
May 03, 2009 13:29:15 I would suggest that you found a Legacy item (Weapons of Legacy), and get the Cunning ability on it (never flat-footed, as a minotaur). There is also a feat in the Fiendish Codex 2 that does this, but it requires DM fiat, as you basically have to do a personal favor for Dispater, the Lord of the Second Layer of Hell...

Once you are never flat-footed, take the Fell Conspiracy ceremony feat from Exemplars of Evil. Now no one in your party is ever flat-footed as long as they are within 100 feet of you. You can also all communicate telepathically.

I'd also suggest taking Chain Spell and DMM: Chain Spell. Your party will love you for that, and you can debuff the hell out of enemy casters with it (pump up your caster level via Consumptive Field and other things, and hit them with a Chained Greater Dispel Magic, targetting them and all of their magic items individually...).
#9
pithica
May 04, 2009 9:55:49
I'd also suggest taking Chain Spell and DMM: Chain Spell. Your party will love you for that, and you can debuff the hell out of enemy casters with it (pump up your caster level via Consumptive Field and other things, and hit them with a Chained Greater Dispel Magic, targetting them and all of their magic items individually...).

Slight improvement: Spell Theft. It's not quite as high of a chance for dispel as GDM, but you get to take the buffs away for yourself if you succeed. It too, is chainable, not that I've done that before.
#10
Endarire
May 05, 2009 16:05:09 It's called the Windicator for a reason. Enter the Ruby Shadow.
#11
dr_rocktopus
May 05, 2009 20:55:37 There is, actually, a single full bab full casting divine class, and it carries with it some pretty solid abilities. Let me find it.
#12
phoenix00
May 05, 2009 21:11:10
There is, actually, a single full bab full casting divine class, and it carries with it some pretty solid abilities. Let me find it.

windwalker or something. It is a 3.0 class though.
#13
dr_rocktopus
May 05, 2009 21:14:09 Unupdated, so it should satisfy.

WindWalker, Faiths and Pantheons.
Really cool class.
#14
pithica
May 06, 2009 8:38:35 Sacred Fist is also full casting/full bab. At least for the PrC. I think it requires one level of monk to qualify though.
#15
dr_rocktopus
May 06, 2009 9:46:02 Unfortunately, some GMs get picky about the text versus the table. :: shrugs :: I like to suggest the safest possible option, and windwalker is also easy to get into and grants you weird but cool abilities.

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 lokdown Apr 30, 2009 14:31:13	I'm currently creating a character for a high powered dungeon crawl game. Roleplay is generally limited to how combat actions are performed, and what you say between fights. Game Information Sources Allowed: All official WotC and Dragon (cross campaign setting material allowed) Stats: 40 point buy Level: 16 Homebrew: An additional four feats that can be taken at any level. Banned Material: LA buyoff, Incantatrix, DMM-Persistent, anything that is innately unbalanced (infinite loops etc). I've been tossing around the idea of a divine gish (of sorts) and this is what I've come up with so far. Race: Human Stats: STR-14 DEX-12 CON-16 INT-12 WIS-16 CHA-14 Build Stub: Barbarian 1/Hexblade 4/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Ur-Priest 2 Alternative Class Features: Barbarian - Lion Totem, Whirling Frenzy Hexblade - Dark Companion Paladin of Tyranny - Avenging (houserule loses Deadly Touch, Rebuke Undead, Cause Disease) Feats: H. Power Attack L1. Improved Initiative L3. Iron Will L6. Spell Focus: Evil L9. Practised Spellcaster: Ur-Priest B1. Divine Might B2. Extend Spell B3. Quicken Spell B4. DMM-Quicken My quandry is what to take for the last six levels? Full caster progression is tantamount (one lost level is acceptable but the benefits have to be pretty stellar), but decent Hit Die and BaB would be nice as well. Bone Knight intrigued me but the loss of one caster level and the fact that I'd have little chance of using the undead commanding abilities puts me off (but not completely). There's also two feats free as well so if anyone has any suggestions for them or replacements for the ones I've selected I'd appreciate it. Thanks in advance.
#2 ninjarabbit Apr 30, 2009 15:14:42	If you're starting at level 16 then you should try to find a way to get all 10 levels of UR-Priest spellcasting. Anyways my build would be factotum3/duskblade3/ur-priest10 and finishing the rest of the build with hierophant Str 14 Dex 10 Con 14 Int 16 Wis 16 Cha 14 Feats: 1-able learner, iron will 3-spell focus evil 6-power attack 9-quicken spell 12-DMM quicken spell 15-practiced spellcaster Bonus feats: improved initative, font of inspiration X2, knowledge devotion
#3 pithica Apr 30, 2009 15:31:11	Monk 2/Paladin of Tyranny 3/Ur-Priest 1/Sacred Fist 10 (not necessarily all in that order) Get's you full Ur-Priest Casting (9th level spells), a +14 BAB, 12th level Monk unarmed damage (16th with Monk's belt), Evasion, Cha to saves, plus other stuff.
#4 lokdown May 02, 2009 19:06:24	Two very nice builds there, but unfortunately not what I'm looking for. I'm basically looking for suggestions as to what to top off my build stub with in relation to PrC's and feats.
#5 unundindur May 02, 2009 23:14:52	For a dinvine gish you cannot avoid the tome of battle with its prestige class of awesome divine gishness. Since you mention dragon... There is a feat there somewhere that lets rogue and cleric levels stack for sneak attack. That must have some potential.
#6 lokdown May 03, 2009 7:10:47	I am in no doubt about the sheer power of the RKV, however I have zero ToB experience and a game of this power level isn't the best time to "feel out" such nuances. Perhaps my use of the term Gish was a bit of misnomer, really it looks like I want an evil flavoured divine caster with backup melee ability.
#7 unundindur May 03, 2009 10:22:36	I am in no doubt about the sheer power of the RKV, however I have zero ToB experience and a game of this power level isn't the best time to "feel out" such nuances. Perhaps my use of the term Gish was a bit of misnomer, really it looks like I want an evil flavoured divine caster with backup melee ability. At what power level? As it stands, a cleric 20 can do that very well all by itself The Ruby Knight is in the very upper range, so if you have a bit more details about what power levels, and any other details that could be helpful.
#8 phaedrusxy May 03, 2009 13:29:15	I would suggest that you found a Legacy item (Weapons of Legacy), and get the Cunning ability on it (never flat-footed, as a minotaur). There is also a feat in the Fiendish Codex 2 that does this, but it requires DM fiat, as you basically have to do a personal favor for Dispater, the Lord of the Second Layer of Hell... Once you are never flat-footed, take the Fell Conspiracy ceremony feat from Exemplars of Evil. Now no one in your party is ever flat-footed as long as they are within 100 feet of you. You can also all communicate telepathically. I'd also suggest taking Chain Spell and DMM: Chain Spell. Your party will love you for that, and you can debuff the hell out of enemy casters with it (pump up your caster level via Consumptive Field and other things, and hit them with a Chained Greater Dispel Magic, targetting them and all of their magic items individually...).
#9 pithica May 04, 2009 9:55:49	I'd also suggest taking Chain Spell and DMM: Chain Spell. Your party will love you for that, and you can debuff the hell out of enemy casters with it (pump up your caster level via Consumptive Field and other things, and hit them with a Chained Greater Dispel Magic, targetting them and all of their magic items individually...). Slight improvement: Spell Theft. It's not quite as high of a chance for dispel as GDM, but you get to take the buffs away for yourself if you succeed. It too, is chainable, not that I've done that before.
#10 Endarire May 05, 2009 16:05:09	It's called the Windicator for a reason. Enter the Ruby Shadow.
#11 dr_rocktopus May 05, 2009 20:55:37	There is, actually, a single full bab full casting divine class, and it carries with it some pretty solid abilities. Let me find it.
#12 phoenix00 May 05, 2009 21:11:10	There is, actually, a single full bab full casting divine class, and it carries with it some pretty solid abilities. Let me find it. windwalker or something. It is a 3.0 class though.
#13 dr_rocktopus May 05, 2009 21:14:09	Unupdated, so it should satisfy. WindWalker, Faiths and Pantheons. Really cool class.
#14 pithica May 06, 2009 8:38:35	Sacred Fist is also full casting/full bab. At least for the PrC. I think it requires one level of monk to qualify though.
#15 dr_rocktopus May 06, 2009 9:46:02	Unfortunately, some GMs get picky about the text versus the table. :: shrugs :: I like to suggest the safest possible option, and windwalker is also easy to get into and grants you weird but cool abilities.