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Battle Jump Question

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#1
luminous_illumian
May 12, 2008 2:06:07 Ok, a scenario:

Let's assume I have a character with:
- Levels in Warblade and the Revenant Blade PrC
- The Maneuver Pouncing Charge
- The feats Leap Attack, Shock Trooper and a Valorous Weapon.

I'm aware that with these abilities I can use a full round action to initiate Pouncing Charge, charging an opponent and making a full attack at the end of the charge. I can take the power attack penalty from my AC thanks to Shock Trooper and my damage has some nice modifiers due to Valorous and Leap Attack. Now let's say I take the feat Battle Jump from UE.

What I'm confused about is how Battle Jump affects the number of attacks you can make at the end of a charge, since initiating it only requires you 'simply drop from a height of at least 5ft above your opponent'. This would take a move action to do, right? So I use my move action to jump at an opponent and I make an attack at him, dealing double damage with the single attack.

What if, however, I used the maneuver Sudden Leap to perform my jump as a swift action, initiating Battle Jump as I go. Since I've only used a swift action, does that mean that when I attack at the end of my movement, I can use a full attack action and get all of my attacks (along with all the bonuses for charging like Shock Trooper and Valorous, since Battle Jump 'executes a charge')?

Battle Jump says that you can 'execute a charge', by performing the above movement, and normally at the end of a charge you only get one attack so this is what's confusing me. As a full round action, a charge is essentially movement (move action) plus an attack (a standard action). But if I use a swift action to move (Sudden Leap), then I still have sufficient actions remaining to make a full attack, what I don't know is whether or not this full attack gets all the bonuses granted by my feats when I charge.

So, does anybody have any clarification on this? I apologise if I haven't be very clear, if my question hasn't come across then please let me know. I'm not sure if what I have in mind works, but it would be nice if it did.

Cheers in advance.

-LI
#2
curtis_ownby
May 12, 2008 8:40:40 You would not be charging so I do not think that would work. You can make a jump as part of a charge and if you could make a DC20 jump check that could work. I hope that is of some help. Have fun:D
#3
luminous_illumian
May 13, 2008 4:02:50 Where does the DC 20 jump check come from?

I though I wouldn't be charging either, since technically I've only taken a move equivalent action, but Battle Jump seems to say that just by dropping onto your foes (a move equivalent action as far as I can see), you are considered to be 'charging'. Since I only take a swift action to make this movement, I have enough time left over to make a full attack, with each attack being treated as if I were charging.

At least, this is a possible interpretation.

Does anybody else have any ideas about this? I'd really appreciate some further clarification.

-LI
#4
curtis_ownby
May 13, 2008 15:17:29 Page 77 of the PH top right table DC20 to jump 5 feet. Which book is Battle Jump in by the wy, Page number would help as well. I do not think the maneuver would work just jumping down, the battle jump should work.
#5
luminous_illumian
May 14, 2008 1:13:33 Battle Jump is from Unappraochable East, first feat in the book.

DC 20 is a bit high for 5ft, so I tend to use the Leaping Dragon Stance Tome of Battle. This gives a +10ft enhancement bonus to my jumps, and they're all treated as being having a running start, so the swift action jumping maneuver should have enough power behind it to get me at least 5ft above a medium opponent.

I'm still unsure on whether or not I can use Battle Jump to make a full attack charge at the end of this movement though.

Anybody?

-LI

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#1 luminous_illumian May 12, 2008 2:06:07	Ok, a scenario: Let's assume I have a character with: - Levels in Warblade and the Revenant Blade PrC - The Maneuver Pouncing Charge - The feats Leap Attack, Shock Trooper and a Valorous Weapon. I'm aware that with these abilities I can use a full round action to initiate Pouncing Charge, charging an opponent and making a full attack at the end of the charge. I can take the power attack penalty from my AC thanks to Shock Trooper and my damage has some nice modifiers due to Valorous and Leap Attack. Now let's say I take the feat Battle Jump from UE. What I'm confused about is how Battle Jump affects the number of attacks you can make at the end of a charge, since initiating it only requires you 'simply drop from a height of at least 5ft above your opponent'. This would take a move action to do, right? So I use my move action to jump at an opponent and I make an attack at him, dealing double damage with the single attack. What if, however, I used the maneuver Sudden Leap to perform my jump as a swift action, initiating Battle Jump as I go. Since I've only used a swift action, does that mean that when I attack at the end of my movement, I can use a full attack action and get all of my attacks (along with all the bonuses for charging like Shock Trooper and Valorous, since Battle Jump 'executes a charge')? Battle Jump says that you can 'execute a charge', by performing the above movement, and normally at the end of a charge you only get one attack so this is what's confusing me. As a full round action, a charge is essentially movement (move action) plus an attack (a standard action). But if I use a swift action to move (Sudden Leap), then I still have sufficient actions remaining to make a full attack, what I don't know is whether or not this full attack gets all the bonuses granted by my feats when I charge. So, does anybody have any clarification on this? I apologise if I haven't be very clear, if my question hasn't come across then please let me know. I'm not sure if what I have in mind works, but it would be nice if it did. Cheers in advance. -LI
#2 curtis_ownby May 12, 2008 8:40:40	You would not be charging so I do not think that would work. You can make a jump as part of a charge and if you could make a DC20 jump check that could work. I hope that is of some help. Have fun:D
#3 luminous_illumian May 13, 2008 4:02:50	Where does the DC 20 jump check come from? I though I wouldn't be charging either, since technically I've only taken a move equivalent action, but Battle Jump seems to say that just by dropping onto your foes (a move equivalent action as far as I can see), you are considered to be 'charging'. Since I only take a swift action to make this movement, I have enough time left over to make a full attack, with each attack being treated as if I were charging. At least, this is a possible interpretation. Does anybody else have any ideas about this? I'd really appreciate some further clarification. -LI
#4 curtis_ownby May 13, 2008 15:17:29	Page 77 of the PH top right table DC20 to jump 5 feet. Which book is Battle Jump in by the wy, Page number would help as well. I do not think the maneuver would work just jumping down, the battle jump should work.
#5 luminous_illumian May 14, 2008 1:13:33	Battle Jump is from Unappraochable East, first feat in the book. DC 20 is a bit high for 5ft, so I tend to use the Leaping Dragon Stance Tome of Battle. This gives a +10ft enhancement bonus to my jumps, and they're all treated as being having a running start, so the swift action jumping maneuver should have enough power behind it to get me at least 5ft above a medium opponent. I'm still unsure on whether or not I can use Battle Jump to make a full attack charge at the end of this movement though. Anybody? -LI