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#1
lord_quaid
Feb 08, 2008 21:22:51 Ok I know this is the op boards. well I have a problem, I was regulated to the 2nd fighter type. so I wanted to play a psionic type. It is in the realm of faerun...all books(core and splats) are ok. I rolled 18 17 16 15 15 14 for a high powered game. I am thinking aasimar soulknife/soulbow. I need help please I am not sure of the direction that i should go. but so far i dont have a clue. I have read the guide. I am hopping for more info from you guys.

Quaid
#2
NiteCyper
Feb 08, 2008 22:48:55 2nd Fighter type? Psychic Warrior, you mean? You've read the guides from SHCOL?

So, basically, you want a Psionic Meleeist?
#3
lord_quaid
Feb 09, 2008 1:10:10 I was told I was going to make a fighter type, as we already have one and we need a 2nd. Sorry if I was not clear enough. Thank you for your help in advance. please let me know if you need any other info.

Quaid
#4
jameswilliamogle
Feb 09, 2008 7:43:33 Equipment independence is key in WLD. I'd recomend an Incarnate. That could get you backup healing, great low-level melee capability, and ranged attacks later. You could also play a Binder going for Knight of the Sacred Seal. Ronove + Savnok + getting Mighty Wollop and Enlarge Person cast on you will really make for some great beats (plus, Full-Plate from L1 rocks).

Psychic Warriors are almost as equipment dependent as regular fighters, but I can envision one that focuses on the various Claws and uses the Vigor / Share Pain w/ his psicrystal to circumvent the armor dependence. As NC said, check the handbooks for some example builds; that could get you far.
#5
carnivore
Feb 09, 2008 8:06:33 what level are you starting .... ?

:D
#6
Nibbler
Feb 09, 2008 9:47:23 You might try this:

lesser aasimar scout1/soulknife6/soulbow10/illumine soul3

You get tons of mind arrow enhancements and archery feat slots (make sure you have zen archery)
#7
betasquirrell
Feb 09, 2008 11:14:38 Soulknife is fairly pointless. Practically the whole class can be replicated using a few feats and a broken thing called buying a weapon. I think you might be able to semi-salvage it with a heavy dose of pyrokinetiscist, but even then the class is pretty useless.

As said above, PsyWar is your best option, though you might want to sprinkle in 1/2 levels of psion for utility powers.
#8
jameswilliamogle
Feb 09, 2008 11:31:07
Soulknife is fairly pointless. Practically the whole class can be replicated using a few feats and a broken thing called buying a weapon. I think you might be able to semi-salvage it with a heavy dose of pyrokinetiscist, but even then the class is pretty useless.

As said above, PsyWar is your best option, though you might want to sprinkle in 1/2 levels of psion for utility powers.

Buying weapon is a tough function in WLD, but Soulknife = suckage, for sure.
#9
mittenninja
Feb 09, 2008 11:59:12 Any ToB class? dip into some psywar and then go warmind. Then it doesn't matter if you're using the sword of kas or a stick, your ancient mountain hammer still hurts.
#10
crimsondeath
Feb 09, 2008 12:39:32
Psychic Warriors are almost as equipment dependent as regular fighters, but I can envision one that focuses on the various Claws and uses the Vigor / Share Pain w/ his psicrystal to circumvent the armor dependence. As NC said, check the handbooks for some example builds; that could get you far.

At higher levels, Inertial Armor will be better than any armor one could be expected to buy in a normal game, and it won't be long at all before an Extended one will last all day.

Claws of the Beast is a good suggestion. The Soulbound Weapon alternate class feature is another one.

The main problem with the PsyWar is the lack of PP, but your starting equipment should be able to carry you along for a while.

One big problem I've heard exists in WLD is the lack of food (if your DM likes to keep track of such things).
#11
carnivore
Feb 09, 2008 12:44:08 which is no problem for a Warforged character..... Warforged Psion(shaper) works fine

:D
#12
Nibbler
Feb 09, 2008 13:13:09 Also good in WLD is Kensai or Annointed Knight (both get weapon advancement)
#13
NiteCyper
Feb 09, 2008 18:28:13 Ocean Tattoo makes it so you don't have to eat, drink or breathe, I think? Same with Otherworldly feat. Same with Ring of Sustenance. For food items, you want a Travel Cloak. Vow of Poverty if you want to go itemless.
#14
lord_quaid
Feb 09, 2008 18:31:34 Starting off 1st lvl. Book of 9 swords is a no go. thank you all.

Quaid
#15
keepu
Feb 11, 2008 0:39:32 For WLD I'd reccomend a factotum 1, fighter 2, swashbuckler 1, duskblade 1, chameleon 10, xxx 5... If you're the extra character, chameleon lets you fill in for whoever's gotten themselves disabled or killed. Just think, with a 16 wisdom you can bring someone back from the dead in a pinch (cast up to 5th level spells with a cl of 14) and still be a solid fighter. Or you could pick up the dead wizard's spellbook and take his/her/its place... Just a thought.
#16
jameswilliamogle
Feb 11, 2008 7:22:48 I'd play Binder all the way. Improved Binding at 1st + Savnok = you get free fullplate. Or, Malphus + Bird's Eye Viewing for (essentially) unlimited Clairaudience/Clairvoyance for the whole dungeon (its so freakin' true!) ahead of time. Or, Aym and/or Dahlver-Nar, punishing enemies for attacking you. Binders rock WLD... check out the binder handbook in my sig.

Alternatively, an Incarnate focused on Dissolving Spittle at L1 will keep you out of melee yet you'll be keeping up with the warriors for straight damage. At L2 you make an incarnum zombie, which is stronger for about 3-4 levels than any other melee warrior.
#17
NiteCyper
Feb 11, 2008 10:01:12 Malphas is simply summoning a bird and you get its vision. That's what you mean yes? It's only one bird BTW. There could be multiple passages. I have never played WLD or studied it.
#18
jameswilliamogle
Feb 11, 2008 10:13:04
Malphas is simply summoning a bird and you get its vision. That's what you mean yes? It's only one bird BTW. There could be multiple passages. I have never played WLD or studied it.

Its one bird that you see through that has no range on the effect. Summon as many birds as possible (but only 1 at a time)!

Oh... wait a minute... that might not work due to the weird summoning rules of WLD. Maybe you can stand outside the dungeon, then send it in :D
#19
Xeraph
Feb 11, 2008 10:54:25 No question, Elan Ardent Gish.

Ardents are both excellent melee powerhouses (if you want them to be) and have enough other powers to make them versatile. They have Call Weaponry and Call Armor as powers if you fear item dependency.

And because of their weird/awesome/unique/versatile manifesting progression you could easily smack a Ranger/ Slayer combo ontop with almost no sacrifice. Or Sanctified Mind 6... or Feat Rogue 2... or Incarnate 4... or binder 4... or Monk 2/ Paladin with Serneity feat 2.

EDIT: And Elan + lots of Power Points + Improved Elan feats = win.
#20
chaos-filth
Apr 02, 2008 13:15:09
EDIT: And Elan + lots of Power Points + Improved Elan feats = win.

Especially since you can take the feat that allows you to reduce 4 points of damage by spending 1 power point. Elans for the win, probably a good idea to throw in some levels of psion to get the extra power points
#21
Midnight_v
Apr 02, 2008 13:29:44 Uhmm...

The King of Smack by Lord Shade...

How could we forget?

Post/Author/DateTime	Post
#1 lord_quaid Feb 08, 2008 21:22:51	Ok I know this is the op boards. well I have a problem, I was regulated to the 2nd fighter type. so I wanted to play a psionic type. It is in the realm of faerun...all books(core and splats) are ok. I rolled 18 17 16 15 15 14 for a high powered game. I am thinking aasimar soulknife/soulbow. I need help please I am not sure of the direction that i should go. but so far i dont have a clue. I have read the guide. I am hopping for more info from you guys. Quaid
#2 NiteCyper Feb 08, 2008 22:48:55	2nd Fighter type? Psychic Warrior, you mean? You've read the guides from SHCOL? So, basically, you want a Psionic Meleeist?
#3 lord_quaid Feb 09, 2008 1:10:10	I was told I was going to make a fighter type, as we already have one and we need a 2nd. Sorry if I was not clear enough. Thank you for your help in advance. please let me know if you need any other info. Quaid
#4 jameswilliamogle Feb 09, 2008 7:43:33	Equipment independence is key in WLD. I'd recomend an Incarnate. That could get you backup healing, great low-level melee capability, and ranged attacks later. You could also play a Binder going for Knight of the Sacred Seal. Ronove + Savnok + getting Mighty Wollop and Enlarge Person cast on you will really make for some great beats (plus, Full-Plate from L1 rocks). Psychic Warriors are almost as equipment dependent as regular fighters, but I can envision one that focuses on the various Claws and uses the Vigor / Share Pain w/ his psicrystal to circumvent the armor dependence. As NC said, check the handbooks for some example builds; that could get you far.
#5 carnivore Feb 09, 2008 8:06:33	what level are you starting .... ? :D
#6 Nibbler Feb 09, 2008 9:47:23	You might try this: lesser aasimar scout1/soulknife6/soulbow10/illumine soul3 You get tons of mind arrow enhancements and archery feat slots (make sure you have zen archery)
#7 betasquirrell Feb 09, 2008 11:14:38	Soulknife is fairly pointless. Practically the whole class can be replicated using a few feats and a broken thing called buying a weapon. I think you might be able to semi-salvage it with a heavy dose of pyrokinetiscist, but even then the class is pretty useless. As said above, PsyWar is your best option, though you might want to sprinkle in 1/2 levels of psion for utility powers.
#8 jameswilliamogle Feb 09, 2008 11:31:07	Soulknife is fairly pointless. Practically the whole class can be replicated using a few feats and a broken thing called buying a weapon. I think you might be able to semi-salvage it with a heavy dose of pyrokinetiscist, but even then the class is pretty useless. As said above, PsyWar is your best option, though you might want to sprinkle in 1/2 levels of psion for utility powers. Buying weapon is a tough function in WLD, but Soulknife = suckage, for sure.
#9 mittenninja Feb 09, 2008 11:59:12	Any ToB class? dip into some psywar and then go warmind. Then it doesn't matter if you're using the sword of kas or a stick, your ancient mountain hammer still hurts.
#10 crimsondeath Feb 09, 2008 12:39:32	Psychic Warriors are almost as equipment dependent as regular fighters, but I can envision one that focuses on the various Claws and uses the Vigor / Share Pain w/ his psicrystal to circumvent the armor dependence. As NC said, check the handbooks for some example builds; that could get you far. At higher levels, Inertial Armor will be better than any armor one could be expected to buy in a normal game, and it won't be long at all before an Extended one will last all day. Claws of the Beast is a good suggestion. The Soulbound Weapon alternate class feature is another one. The main problem with the PsyWar is the lack of PP, but your starting equipment should be able to carry you along for a while. One big problem I've heard exists in WLD is the lack of food (if your DM likes to keep track of such things).
#11 carnivore Feb 09, 2008 12:44:08	which is no problem for a Warforged character..... Warforged Psion(shaper) works fine :D
#12 Nibbler Feb 09, 2008 13:13:09	Also good in WLD is Kensai or Annointed Knight (both get weapon advancement)
#13 NiteCyper Feb 09, 2008 18:28:13	Ocean Tattoo makes it so you don't have to eat, drink or breathe, I think? Same with Otherworldly feat. Same with Ring of Sustenance. For food items, you want a Travel Cloak. Vow of Poverty if you want to go itemless.
#14 lord_quaid Feb 09, 2008 18:31:34	Starting off 1st lvl. Book of 9 swords is a no go. thank you all. Quaid
#15 keepu Feb 11, 2008 0:39:32	For WLD I'd reccomend a factotum 1, fighter 2, swashbuckler 1, duskblade 1, chameleon 10, xxx 5... If you're the extra character, chameleon lets you fill in for whoever's gotten themselves disabled or killed. Just think, with a 16 wisdom you can bring someone back from the dead in a pinch (cast up to 5th level spells with a cl of 14) and still be a solid fighter. Or you could pick up the dead wizard's spellbook and take his/her/its place... Just a thought.
#16 jameswilliamogle Feb 11, 2008 7:22:48	I'd play Binder all the way. Improved Binding at 1st + Savnok = you get free fullplate. Or, Malphus + Bird's Eye Viewing for (essentially) unlimited Clairaudience/Clairvoyance for the whole dungeon (its so freakin' true!) ahead of time. Or, Aym and/or Dahlver-Nar, punishing enemies for attacking you. Binders rock WLD... check out the binder handbook in my sig. Alternatively, an Incarnate focused on Dissolving Spittle at L1 will keep you out of melee yet you'll be keeping up with the warriors for straight damage. At L2 you make an incarnum zombie, which is stronger for about 3-4 levels than any other melee warrior.
#17 NiteCyper Feb 11, 2008 10:01:12	Malphas is simply summoning a bird and you get its vision. That's what you mean yes? It's only one bird BTW. There could be multiple passages. I have never played WLD or studied it.
#18 jameswilliamogle Feb 11, 2008 10:13:04	Malphas is simply summoning a bird and you get its vision. That's what you mean yes? It's only one bird BTW. There could be multiple passages. I have never played WLD or studied it. Its one bird that you see through that has no range on the effect. Summon as many birds as possible (but only 1 at a time)! Oh... wait a minute... that might not work due to the weird summoning rules of WLD. Maybe you can stand outside the dungeon, then send it in :D
#19 Xeraph Feb 11, 2008 10:54:25	No question, Elan Ardent Gish. Ardents are both excellent melee powerhouses (if you want them to be) and have enough other powers to make them versatile. They have Call Weaponry and Call Armor as powers if you fear item dependency. And because of their weird/awesome/unique/versatile manifesting progression you could easily smack a Ranger/ Slayer combo ontop with almost no sacrifice. Or Sanctified Mind 6... or Feat Rogue 2... or Incarnate 4... or binder 4... or Monk 2/ Paladin with Serneity feat 2. EDIT: And Elan + lots of Power Points + Improved Elan feats = win.
#20 chaos-filth Apr 02, 2008 13:15:09	EDIT: And Elan + lots of Power Points + Improved Elan feats = win. Especially since you can take the feat that allows you to reduce 4 points of damage by spending 1 power point. Elans for the win, probably a good idea to throw in some levels of psion to get the extra power points
#21 Midnight_v Apr 02, 2008 13:29:44	Uhmm... The King of Smack by Lord Shade... How could we forget?