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| #1bjorsaJul 27, 2008 11:59:56 | Our group always get in trouble when we run into Assassins and the like. We already have True Seeing (Eyes of Truth), but nothing to aid us with uncovering the foes who are simply hiding (sometimes In Plain Sight). We are now level 11. Could you recommend any spells or items to help us out? |
| #2cycadaJul 27, 2008 12:24:17 | Probably not of the best help, since most DMs have something against Psionics, but there is a power called Touchsight, a 3rd level Psion/Wilder power, that lets you pinpoint the location of all creatures within 60ft. This power specifically states that it allows you to see hiding things, not just pierce illusions. My 2 platinum... Edit: This should be extremely helpful against assassin's and thieves alike, as the maximum range on a sneak attack/death attack is 30ft. leaving you plenty of time to stop em. |
| #3rusherJul 27, 2008 13:02:05 | Blindsight, TremorSense and maybe(?) Mindsight. Of course if they have the Lords of Madness Feat Darkstalker the above won't help. Touchsight is awesome, as mentioned above. Godly spot and listen checks too. |
| #4jaronkJul 27, 2008 13:27:38 | Actually, Mindsight gets around Darkstalker just fine... they need to be mentally shielded to avoid it. Anyone with a single level of Mindbender (Beguilers are best for this) can get the feat. JaronK |
| #5carnivoreJul 27, 2008 15:47:28 | Hellborn can also get Telepathy 100' @ 15th lvl but to boost Spot and Listen checks... there are several things: Racial bonuses: Dragonborn(can be acquired after play) .... give +2 Racial to Spot, listen, Search Elf ............... same Quick Reconoiter..... gives +2 Initiative, and allows a free Spot and Listen Check each round, the more opportunities you have to find them the better ALERTNESS [GENERAL] Benefit: You get a +2 bonus on all Listen checks and Spot checks. Special: The master of a familiar gains the benefit of the Alertness feat whenever the familiar is within arm’s reach. Items: Eyes of the Eagle: These items are made of special crystal and fit over the eyes of the wearer. These lenses grant a +5 competence bonus on Spot checks. Wearing only one of the pair causes a character to become dizzy and, in effect, stunned for 1 round. Thereafter, the wearer can use the single lens without being stunned so long as she covers her other eye. Of course, she can remove the single lens and see normally at any time, or wear both lenses to end or avoid the dizziness. Faint divination; CL 3rd; Craft Wondrous Item, clairaudience/clairvoyance; Price 2,500 gp. Crystal Mask of Insightful Detection: The wearer of a crystal mask of insightful detection can make Search checks and Spot checks checks with a +9 insight bonus. Moderate clairsentience; ML 7th; Craft Universal Item, creator must have 9 ranks in both Search and Spot; Price 20,250 gp; Weight 1/2 lb. there are others :D |
| #6admusJul 27, 2008 16:01:49 | where's mindsight from? |
| #7kurashuJul 27, 2008 16:04:50 | Lords of Madness. Great stuff for rogues in there too. |
| #8bjorsaJul 27, 2008 18:49:02 | Thanks for all the input! (I settled for an item with Blindsight.) |
| #9phaedrusxyJul 28, 2008 12:26:25 | A bat familiar + Glitterdust. |
| #10robbypantsJul 28, 2008 13:13:35 | I wonder if you could use Contingency to trigger something if someone is hiding within a certain radius of you. Of course, getting the conditions just right could be tricky... Is someone on the other side of the wall from you "hiding"? |
| #11soneillonJul 28, 2008 13:35:15 | Some excellent spells that boost spot/listen: Linked Perception(PHB2) Druid2/Ranger1 This spell creates a 20ft emanation around you that gives all allies in the radius +2 to listen and spot for each ally within range, lasts 1 minute/level. I've used this one to amazing effectiveness in many campaigns. Great for parties with lots of mounts, companions, familiar, cohorts, undead, etc. Great in a wand. Listening Lorecall(SpC) Druid2/ Ranger2 Grants a +4 insight bonus to listen and bonus based on your ranks in listen... Blindsense to 30ft with 5 ranks, and blindsight to 15 ft with 10 ranks. this one's personal too, but 10 minutes/level. The psionic power Synesthete is another great low level one, granting +4 cirumstance to either Spot and Search or Listen, as well as some other cool stuff. Hope this helps! |
| #12bradsmitJul 29, 2008 0:46:53 | I'm not sure if this is correct rules wise, but here is how my group handled a rogue problem. Technically being invisible (just in case they are doing this) gives you a +20 to hide if you are moving around. My group agreed that if you have arcane sight up, the invisibility should be negated since it is an active spell. Now, if they don't have any magic items that would pop up vs the Arcane sight, it would just be their hide vs your spot. But as I just said if they have any magic items on arcane sight would spot them automatically. Again, i'm saying that this might not be true rules wise but it is how my group agreed on how it is done. Of course, if they are outside of your arcane sight then you are boned. |
| #13FurryFuryJul 29, 2008 1:38:40 | But as I just said if they have any magic items on arcane sight would spot them automatically. That's why all rogues should use that "Magic Aura" spell on their equipment before trying to ambush a party ![]() |
| #14Omen_of_PeaceJul 29, 2008 5:46:04 | I like Dragonsight (SC, Wizard 5) for the 5ft/CL Blindsense. |
| #15ronyonAug 01, 2008 10:24:45 | The Corpse Candle spell reveals hidden creatures.Small radius and needing to know when to use it make this a poor solution. |
| #16ronyonAug 01, 2008 10:49:56 | Playing a sneaky Necro type myself, (and seeing PhaedrusXY here) makes me want ask if the Mindblank power granted by a Ghostly Visage would protect against Mind sight? |
| #17phaedrusxyAug 01, 2008 11:01:03 | lol, I don't know what I have to do with it. I don't know the answer to that, either. :D I guess it might? I don't own Lords of Madness, so I can't look up the text of Mindsight to really make an informed guess. |
| #18ronyonAug 01, 2008 13:33:46 | lol, I don't know what I have to do with it. I don't know the answer to that, either. :D I guess it might? I don't own Lords of Madness, so I can't look up the text of Mindsight to really make an informed guess. PhaedrusXY=Sneaky Necromancer savy. Not that we never disagree, but frankly I steal your chops all the time.So when Im trying to be necro-skeevy( I.E. victory via minions, never being seen, in general being shank-tastic )then you are definitely on my list to consult. In fact, Im gratified that you are still into 3.X, I was afraid all my necro playmates would flee to 4.0 or just lose interest. |
| #19phaedrusxyAug 01, 2008 14:03:44 | Eh, I don't really get to play D&D anymore. My wife and I are both busy with our careers, and we have a 5 month old baby. So I'm certainly not going to go out and buy books for the new system. I just like D&D, so crunching numbers on the system is a fun way to waste time when I'm in between stuff at work, lol. I can also kind of play vicariously by helping people out with their games/characters. :D On the brilliantgameologists board, I mostly post in the off-topic section. I just like the types of people who play RPGs in general, and it is fun to shoot the breeze with them, even if I don't really play anymore. |
| #20jafonelAug 01, 2008 15:02:23 | I think the blindfold of true darkness is the way to go. Check Bunko's. |
| #21ronyonAug 01, 2008 15:06:37 | I hear ya.I have a 4 month old(Athena!) and lots of RL issues. I have an advantage, my childless gaming buddies come to my house and game with me, my wife,and my 13 year old. Allowances are made for our breast fed daughter (the wife is on call). Very cool friends means Im living the dream. Ive never been to an off topic forum-see you there! |