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#1 Stayingpower Sep 22, 2015 13:08:08	In the tier system of JarronK, the Binder is rated tier 3 when «Summon monster vestige not allowed» I'm not quite sure what this meant. I have not find many summoning stuff, a Earth elemental, some birds, tho I did not went through all vestiges. Is this the kind of summoning JarronK is speaking of?   Would this «no summon for tier 3» still needed for a level 1 to 13 game, or this «requirement» is only for high level game (14+)   Thanks
#2 Tempest_Stormwind Sep 22, 2015 13:45:07	He's talking about Zceryll. You'll see why it's worth a tier bump on its own.   JaronK's tier list also evaluates classes, so it's not even looking at specific ways to break that ability to high heaven. Look, for instance, at Ashardalon Reborn in my sig, and specifically note that "level" (as in Zceryll's "a sorcerer of your level") refers to EBL. Observe that number on Ashardalon Reborn and note that I wasn't even trying to specifically optimize it there. Now imagine if someone tried.   I usually ban Zceryll, even though I encourage people to use binders. Or I point out she's unique to Faerun, and is yet another reason why we will not go to Faerun. It is a silly place.
#3 Stayingpower Sep 22, 2015 13:49:29	hmmmm, any monster form the summon monster list is quite usefull, I agree. Even more with a free +20 to a single attack roll. Summoning creatures with PA, with barely no way to miss the target.   Is summon monster that good (w/o the pseudonatural template)? Lot of flexibility with an array of augmented monster. I think I see why     EDIT: Do you let non-ToM vestiges as well, or only «Core» ones?